Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
The guy with both the cross and the star of david really doesn't know what is going on does he. It's like a half-and-half scarf for facist button men.
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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)
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Rorschach
Mel Hopkins
This here is the most important question. It is a damn shame about the answer.
Rorschach
Mel Hopkins
Looks like the crusades are starting up again.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Imagine putting them, ISIS and the IDF together in a waterless valley in the desert, and just sealing up the ends
ricky2tricky4city
Jimmy Cantrell
You've overarched my overarching question! And it is the ultimate question.
thfcsteff
Ricky Villa
My overwhelming feeling watching that video clip is one of sadness. I genuinely do not believe most people holding those flags or picking up those wooden crosses or chanting 'we want Starmer out' or saying 'on the march - let's go!' are actually racists at heart. Not at all. I think they are a disaffected, hurt, probably somewhat fiscally suffering bunch of people who have been convinced to sip the Kool Aid of some particularly skilled and clever grifters who are using them and their discontent. So many of 'them' have so much in common with so many of 'us' when it comes to current living conditions and the like. The divide and conquer is reaching dangerous levels, because MOST people have the same hopes, fears, and realities right now. It's just a case of diverting them from these distractions and showing them how they're being used.
thfcsteff
Ricky Villa
That's the whole point! So many are bewildered and have some legitimate reasons to be angry. Thing is, they're the same reasons as most people and involve the same protagonists. The problem is when someone sells them the idea that it is all down to 'waves' of black and brown people, when it's ACTUALLY down the a handful of well-tailored, largely invisible billionaire grifters manipulating societies against each other...but you know that I know mate...
thfcsteff
Ricky Villa
I mean honestly? It was all a bit Python...
monkeybarry
Nayim
I agree with the principles you've stated, but not the get out clause for those people.
We live in the information age - there is no excuse anymore for going down those routes until it is either what you actually believe or are comfortable to accept.
Everyone has the tools to be different in their pocket - whether it's needing to learn critical thinking or counselling for self esteem or information about the reality of right wing tropes.
Staying in that mind set in the information age is a choice. Look at the likes of Marky (or whatever his current username is) - been given the alternative information and arguments but still chooses to believe misinformation because he is now allowed to air his prejudices. Those are his to own, as they are for those in that video.
monkeybarry
Nayim
Lloret Del Mar will be vanquished
thfcsteff
Ricky Villa
I think this is absolutely true too, yes.
I think that is part of the huge issue. We do live in the information age, and discerning between what information is solid versus not requires a skillset I see as being beyond the reach of many people. We all fall for it sometimes. I think making the step to gaining those tools for critical thought or counseling are simply not binary. One of the many issues the manosphere has brought up, for example, is this return to toxic masculinity which comes with a whole raft of issues around things like counseling (sadly).
I do not agree that is always the case. I wish it was that black and white.
I don't know Marky well enough to say who he is in that regard. We have been on the forum together for many many years, but have never met. The same as many here, I think conversation over a pint would clarify much.
It's a great discussion because for me, the whole topic is a dialectic in so much as what you say is true in many senses and it really is not as black and white as saying everybody has control to make the right decisions. I wish it were so.
SissokoWasGood (BoL)
John Lacy
Everyone has the tools in theory but unfortunately we live in the age of the algorithmic timeline. Everyone just gets fed more of what is going to bait them into reacting. I think it’s done enormous damage to democracy - a handful of tech bros had no idea what they were inflicting on the world when they rolled out social media. No one actually talks to each other anymore. No one is willing to discuss trade offs, or reach a consensus. Everyone can demand things exactly the way they want them.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
The problem is these people didn't have sufficient education. They don't have the tools of critical thinking
Honestly, I think it’s giving a large number of the people at that march too much credit, I think it’s true some are susceptible due to the context of their own lives however I would say an even larger amount of people at that march actually don’t have too bad of a life in comparison to the majority but finally someone has provided them a chance to be who they really are. It’s a chance to breathe not because you’re honest, but because you can now fully take the mask off.
The reason many of them are susceptible is because really, it’s what they want to hear. They don’t have to just say it to their families in their own homes anymore, they don’t have to be quiet like they have been since the 70’s and 80’s, they now have the chance to say it openly amongst people with the same views as them. Last summer saw the beginnings of it and it’s growing and being more normalised as it’s turning into a political point rather than a human one.
There are bad people of every colour, religion, faith, gender, and any other context you want to refer to them in, but these marches aren’t about that, and they aren’t about making a political point, they’re 85% about getting racists mobilised, and spreading division and hate, and 15% the people Steff mentions. If I’m really honest, I think I might be being generous with 15% as well, that number will be made up of people like the video clips you see on social media of school kids who have gone down there for the day, can’t actually tell you what it’s about and just thought it would be “a laugh”. Along with someone’s elderly neighbour from an affluent area who has seen the world change after much generational racism and believes in the word of that nice man Nigel who wears a suit and tells her that the one person of colour in her road is going to drag it all down.
Sure there’s something to be said for educating people and showing them the truth, they’re simple fact is many of these don’t want that, they’re where they want to be.
The reason many of them are susceptible is because really, it’s what they want to hear. They don’t have to just say it to their families in their own homes anymore, they don’t have to be quiet like they have been since the 70’s and 80’s, they now have the chance to say it openly amongst people with the same views as them. Last summer saw the beginnings of it and it’s growing and being more normalised as it’s turning into a political point rather than a human one.
There are bad people of every colour, religion, faith, gender, and any other context you want to refer to them in, but these marches aren’t about that, and they aren’t about making a political point, they’re 85% about getting racists mobilised, and spreading division and hate, and 15% the people Steff mentions. If I’m really honest, I think I might be being generous with 15% as well, that number will be made up of people like the video clips you see on social media of school kids who have gone down there for the day, can’t actually tell you what it’s about and just thought it would be “a laugh”. Along with someone’s elderly neighbour from an affluent area who has seen the world change after much generational racism and believes in the word of that nice man Nigel who wears a suit and tells her that the one person of colour in her road is going to drag it all down.
Sure there’s something to be said for educating people and showing them the truth, they’re simple fact is many of these don’t want that, they’re where they want to be.
SteveAWOL
Steve Sedgley
I wonder how many of those halfwits are aware of the fact that Yaxley-Lennon was invited to Israel by the same RWNJs whose Settler fanatics are forcing Christians to leave Jerusalem?!
glasgowspur
Paul Stewart
They have it,
Society has sold it's intelligence, it's responsibilities and it's humanity for a few baubles.
They are taught not to use it.
Society has sold it's intelligence, it's responsibilities and it's humanity for a few baubles.
SteveAWOL
Steve Sedgley
Unfortunately by attending the marches these poor sods will spend their day surrounded by actual fascists who’ll no doubt indoctrinate some of them with hate filled ideology.
What's democratic about a few people making a decision behind closed doors that could affect tens of millions of people?
MartyFunkhouser
George Hunt
That Adam Brooks is a complete and utter macaron.
My mate was sat two row back from him when he pulled a wonky one, coked up and tinkled, ended up in a brawl with stewards.
He is a straight up grifter
I think him saying Brexit was a mistake and we should re-join was designing to flush Burnham out, he said at the Labour conference he'd like to rejoin but I believe this constituency voted by 2 to 1 to leave so he'll have to manage his views on that. I'm sure Wes was well aware before he did that interview, supports him in public whilst not so subtly drawing blood behind the scenes.