Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

I will take one of these.

So all cultures equal then, according to you and the others like Gutter Boy? Eugenics, he called it. Hmmmm

So cultures that consider Female Genital Mutilation perfectly fine, equal to cultures that think this is barbaric? And you are totally fine to have such a culture in the UK, because if you disagree with this and want this kind of culture nowhere near the UK, you're a thick racist eugenics supporting scumbag, because all cultures are equal, and we welcome them all yeah?

What about cultures that stone women to death for having pre-marital sex? You want that ideology in the UK?

What about cultures that refuse education to women, are these cultures equal?

What about lashing and imprisoning women for being raped, for stupid rules like being alone in the company of a man who is not a member of the family before wedlock?

What about cultures were the men can get away with *struggle cuddle* if they marry the women?

Or cultures that still allow slavery? Are they equal?

What about cultures that include child marriage, they equal too? You looking forward to the days of 9 year olds having their white wedding. And if your against it and think that culture is wrong and shouldn't exist in the modern world or anywhere near the country, you're a racist thicko.

Are you absolutely sure you want cultural equality?

You really haven't thought through what you are actually saying have you?

Because she doesn't think all cultures are equal and represent British Values and that she wants none of this stuff anywhere near the UK.... she's a Racist scumbag yeah? Just because she's a Tory? She's a bit thick, yeah?

I personally think her moral compass, might be a tad more better than yours.

Isn't which "culture" is in vogue decided by the middle classes and media.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

Knowing how difficult it was to get ppe, it almost impossible, surely out of date would have been better than nothing, even if it was only given out to care homes, funeral homes or other secondary sectors to relieve the pressure.

Several of our competitors tried turning their hand to making ppe, the hoops they had to go through to get it anywhere near official supply lines made it pointless.
There was no joined I thinking, it's embarrassing.

That's what upset so many people, it appeared some groups with no expertise in the field to get contracts due to certain connections.

 

[SkipRat]

Isn't which "culture" is in vogue decided by the middle classes and media.

I don't know, I don't read that garbage, but if that is your response, it would indicate that you don't much about the wider world.

 

[glorygloryeze]

I don't know, I don't read that garbage, but if that is your response, it would indicate that you don't much about the wider world.

Tbf to @K.D.D.D.D.Soc i don't think when he says "in vogue" he mean Vogue magazine...

 

[glasgowspur]

That's what upset so many people, it appeared some groups with no expertise in the field to get contracts due to certain connections.

A lot of people with no real world experience of what they are dealing with were allowed to make decisions.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

I don't know, I don't read that garbage, but if that is your response, it would indicate that you don't much about the wider world.

I believe I have a wide knowledge of the wider world and an understanding of how culture is portrayed in media and influences the public. Most cultural references we see in media are about music, fashion, cookery, art and soft subjects and the items most would find distasteful are avoided. Many of the issues you mentioned are abhorrent to people in Britain, rightly in my view.

It raises the issue if we in this country should be judging the way other countries behave in their own society, is it a form of colonialism?

 

[spurspinter1]

I don't know, I don't read that garbage, but if that is your response, it would indicate that you don't much about the wider world.

It's one thing to make a completely unfounded accusation implying a bunch of strangers on the internet are in favour of FGM, that's a completely reasonable thing to do, a totally rational and healthy way to make a point in a discussion........But to suggest our very own KDDD gets his world views from the popular fashion and lifestyle magazine Vogue is a step too far, I won't stand for it!

So you might not be here to make friends, or even to I don't know, possibly discuss Spurs (on a Spurs forum)? That's your prerogative I guess, but if you're going to be feisty at least take a second to read and understand people who can be bothered to reply to you.

The culture point is an interesting one, for me it's doesn't seem tasteful to say one culture is better than another, especially when cherry picking the absolute extremes. I have a lot of Muslim friends, none of which are marrying 9 year olds or whatever. If you were from somewhere else would you feel differently? I have assumed you're from England so apologies if I have got that one wrong. Unless I am mistaken, it wasn't that long ago that in "our" culture, you were legally permitted to *struggle cuddle* your wife as your wife was considered your property, so how could it be *struggle cuddle*? It's not always been sunshine and roses for minorities here either.

 

[Gilzeantoscore]

I will take one of these.

So all cultures equal then, according to you and the others like Gutter Boy? Eugenics, he called it. Hmmmm

So cultures that consider Female Genital Mutilation perfectly fine, equal to cultures that think this is barbaric? And you are totally fine to have such a culture in the UK, because if you disagree with this and want this kind of culture nowhere near the UK, you're a thick racist eugenics supporting scumbag, because all cultures are equal, and we welcome them all yeah?

What about cultures that stone women to death for having pre-marital sex? You want that ideology in the UK?

What about cultures that refuse education to women, are these cultures equal?

What about lashing and imprisoning women for being raped, for stupid rules like being alone in the company of a man who is not a member of the family before wedlock?

What about cultures were the men can get away with *struggle cuddle* if they marry the women?

Or cultures that still allow slavery? Are they equal?

What about cultures that include child marriage, they equal too? You looking forward to the days of 9 year olds having their white wedding. And if your against it and think that culture is wrong and shouldn't exist in the modern world or anywhere near the country, you're a racist thicko.

Are you absolutely sure you want cultural equality?

You really haven't thought through what you are actually saying have you?

Because she doesn't think all cultures are equal and represent British Values and that she wants none of this stuff anywhere near the UK.... she's a Racist scumbag yeah? Just because she's a Tory? She's a bit thick, yeah?

I personally think her moral compass, might be a tad more better than yours.

What are 'British values' exactly?

 

[harr1984]

Not that long ago they were championing equal rights, it was a Tory government that brought the same sex marriage bill in for example.

They got 21% of the vote in July, all thats left is the crazies and the ultra racists.

I'm no Tory in fact I don't like any of them but I'm afraid that's not all that's left - Many of those I know who voted Labour due to 'Anything but Tory' are regretting it and want back to Tory already. In any walk of life there's always the theory it can't get any worse, but it always can....

 

[glorygloryeze]

Not that long ago they were championing equal rights, it was a Tory government that brought the same sex marriage bill in for example.

They got 21% of the vote in July, all thats left is the crazies and the ultra racists.

Hang on, weren't you always a Tory voter yourself?

 

[SkipRat]

I believe I have a wide knowledge of the wider world and an understanding of how culture is portrayed in media and influences the public. Most cultural references we see in media are about music, fashion, cookery, art and soft subjects and the items most would find distasteful are avoided. Many of the issues you mentioned are abhorrent to people in Britain, rightly in my view.

It raises the issue if we in this country should be judging the way other countries behave in their own society, is it a form of colonialism?

Or is it a case that we live in 2024 and that some cultures have developed and moved with the time, whilst some remain in the dark ages.

 

[parklane1]

I'm no Tory in fact I don't like any of them but I'm afraid that's not all that's left - Many of those I know who voted Labour due to 'Anything but Tory' are regretting it and want back to Tory already. In any walk of life there's always the theory it can't get any worse, but it always can....

Pretty much sums up the political situation here at the moment, never known a time when ALL the partys are as rubbish as they are now.

 

[SkipRat]

It's one thing to make a completely unfounded accusation implying a bunch of strangers on the internet are in favour of FGM, that's a completely reasonable thing to do, a totally rational and healthy way to make a point in a discussion........But to suggest our very own KDDD gets his world views from the popular fashion and lifestyle magazine Vogue is a step too far, I won't stand for it!

So you might not be here to make friends, or even to I don't know, possibly discuss Spurs (on a Spurs forum)? That's your prerogative I guess, but if you're going to be feisty at least take a second to read and understand people who can be bothered to reply to you.

The culture point is an interesting one, for me it's doesn't seem tasteful to say one culture is better than another, especially when cherry picking the absolute extremes. I have a lot of Muslim friends, none of which are marrying 9 year olds or whatever. If you were from somewhere else would you feel differently? I have assumed you're from England so apologies if I have got that one wrong. Unless I am mistaken, it wasn't that long ago that in "our" culture, you were legally permitted to *struggle cuddle* your wife as your wife was considered your property, so how could it be *struggle cuddle*? It's not always been sunshine and roses for minorities here either.

But that is an assumption in it's self. You can get married in America at the age of 13 (still a child) in some states. One of the reasons I wont ever go there.

 

[glorygloryeze]

But that is an assumption in it's self. You can get married in America at the age of 13 (still a child) in some states. One of the reasons I wont ever go there.

He was the one that brought up vogue and middle classes. Not me.

When he said "vogue", he meant things being in vogue at a particular time, as in being all the rage, fashionable, cool etc
He DID NOT mean things being in Vogue magazine..

 

[SkipRat]

When he said "vogue", he meant things being in vogue at a particular time, as in being all the rage, fashionable, cool etc
He DID NOT mean things being in Vogue magazine..

He also mentioned middle class, and being the "all the rage" has no being whether you think that FGM is culturally right or wrong.

What he was insinuating was that my opinions were influenced by BS and not the fact that I am actually interested in cultures and history, and I don't watch TV and buy newspapers, as they are all total BS.

So my point still remains, are the cultures that think FGM is equal to those that think it is abhorrent. Whether people like or not, some cultures are better than others, it's just the way it is and in no way should be treated as equal by law in the UK, or allowed anywhere near our country.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

Or is it a case that we live in 2024 and that some cultures have developed and moved with the time, whilst some remain in the dark ages.

Of course that's the case, all countries develop in their own timescale, when I was a young man we executed people, imprisoned homosexuals, had corporal punishment in schools.

 

[glorygloryeze]

He also mentioned middle class, and being the "all the rage" has no being whether you think that FGM is culturally right or wrong.

What he was insinuating was that my opinions were influenced by BS and not the fact that I am actually interested in cultures and history, and I don't watch TV and buy newspapers, as they are all total BS.

So my point still remains, are the cultures that think FGM is equal to those that think it is abhorrent. Whether people like or not, some cultures are better than others, it's just the way it is and in no way should be treated as equal by law in the UK.

He was making a general point that what "culture" is considered "in fashion", "good", "bad" etc is often decided by the media and those who would be grouped as "Middle Class" or "the chattering classes". He seemed to also be saying (like you are perhaps?) who should care what the media etc class as 'culture'. Of course correct me if i'm wrong @K.D.D.D.D.Soc

Whether you watch TV, buy newspapers or not the general point he was making still stands some weight when look back at History.

As to your particular point about FGM: There are many cultures who find it abhorrent; even in the countries where it takes place there will be many who don't practice it and also find it abhorrent. Anyone who is caught practising FGM in this country is at risk of going to prison so i'm not sure your point about 'culture' stands up any more than if people in Dubai say "we should not have people from Western countries come into the country because they drink too much, love eating pork, show thuggish behaviour when drunk" etc etc.

If you don't follow the laws of any land you go to, you'll eventually go to prison etc. Same with FGM

 

[SkipRat]

Cultural equality includes bringing the same protections to those communities that others have.

I don’t believe she has any moral compass at all, she is saying whatever she thinks will get her power whilst letting her personal abhorrent bigotry leak out.

Any thoughts on my other examples?

So you support having child marriages and FGM in the UK, and provide them with same protections as with other cultures.

Good to know.

As for other examples, I very much doubt you will add any nuanced addition to the debate other than regurgitating what the Guardian says.

If you had you would realise she is not against trans rights. If can provide me with a quote that says this, in full context of what is being said, with out being a cherry picked section to insinuate that something that was never meant.

I mean, I have spoken to a fair few Tran's people, especially in a couple of communities I am in, and they absolute hate the current LGCTQ+ community, as they are just tinkling people off and giving them a bad name and making things worse for them.

So please, go ahead and tell me how she is against trans right, as you have already shown you have no idea about cultures from around the world actually know what is going on.

 

[SkipRat]

Of course that's the case, all countries develop in their own timescale, when I was a young man we executed people, imprisoned homosexuals, had corporal punishment in schools.

Yes and we have moved on from that, other cultures... Not so much. I am not even pretending that our culture is perfect... But at least we don't put women in jail for being raped... Or burn them alive in the street over so called blasphemy laws.

 

[K.D.D.D.D.Soc]

He also mentioned middle class, and being the "all the rage" has no being whether you think that FGM is culturally right or wrong.

What he was insinuating was that my opinions were influenced by BS and not the fact that I am actually interested in cultures and history, and I don't watch TV and buy newspapers, as they are all total BS.

So my point still remains, are the cultures that think FGM is equal to those that think it is abhorrent. Whether people like or not, some cultures are better than others, it's just the way it is and in no way should be treated as equal by law in the UK, or allowed anywhere near our country.

I was not insinuating anything about how your options are formed but making a point that our society is heavily influenced by what is in the media, some very subtlety.