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Baleforce said:
Is that medical grade equipment you would put between your body and a deadly pathogen?

We should always have the gear we might need in a worst case scenario, that we didn’t is on previous administrations, whatever state our preparedness was at, doesn’t excuse the Tories from again abusing their position to make some bank for them and their acquaintances.
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Yes it is, well it was adequate enough for the covid virus.
 
Crab.C.Nesbitt said:
Agree with all of that but it’s all so depressing.

Our society and western society in general needs a fundamental overhaul. Our western media sneer about Russian corruption and banana republics but the truth is there’s just as much corruption and incompetence in the uk. And our corrupt media is just as much part of the problem as politicians and other western institutions.
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Exactly, it is why the argument over two child benefit argument as absolute BS. The correct answer is they shouldn't be getting any benefits and tax breaks at all.

As at what point do you ask yourself how poorly does the 5th richest country in the world have to be run, that it gives working families benefits and tax breaks to help raise their kids.

Surely the minimum that and government should be aiming for is that working families (from minimum wage up) can earn enough money to raise their child, buy the foods and have decent living standard, and still have enough money left to save enough to take them out, go to the cinema etc without being saddled with crippling debt.

And you are right, it is so depressing, but don't let the tossers beat you, it is what they want, how did we mugs let it go so far.
 
Baleforce said:
Is that medical grade equipment you would put between your body and a deadly pathogen?

We should always have the gear we might need in a worst case scenario, that we didn’t is on previous administrations, whatever state our preparedness was at, doesn’t excuse the Tories from again abusing their position to make some bank for them and their acquaintances.
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Medical grade = financial scam

Anything that is tagged medical grade, is just a licence to print money. Monitors, TV's, the lot, exactly the same, but with £1000+ sticker added on.
 
Mikey10 said:
The Tories were still blaming Labour for their financial inheritance 14 years after being in government, so it’s hardly surprising that Labour (which has inherited an infinitely worse economy) is still referencing the Tories’ mess less than 3 months into their government.

The grown-ups are in charge now. It’s not going to happen overnight, but I am convinced they will make the country a better place. They are getting on with things at quite a pace, which is heartening. They’ll make mistakes, for sure; that comes with the territory. But this time in three or four years we’ll see public services in a much better place, a country which is kinder in its outlook, and which has regained some of its respect on the international stage.
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Meanwhile the Tories are still engaged in what they do best, populist culture wars. It’s like they haven’t learnt from the riots that politicians language needs to be tempered. Does anyone seriously believe they are fit for government? The slightly credible Tugenhat will lose out to the batbrick crazy Badenoch or the slimy Jenrick. Labour are learning for sure. The way they announced cutting the winter fuel allowance showed a party that still needs to sharpen its political instincts so do the “freebies.” But even on the latter they will struggle to out do the Tories for pure sleaze. Remember the bloke Johnson took a loan off then appointed high up in the BBC, or the Russian son of a former KGB agent who partied with leading Johnson before being appointed to the Lords or Owen Patterson and his lobbying? I really doubt that their majority will “evaporate” unless people want a return to chaos.
 
Robspur12 said:
Meanwhile the Tories are still engaged in what they do best, populist culture wars. It’s like they haven’t learnt from the riots that politicians language needs to be tempered. Does anyone seriously believe they are fit for government? The slightly credible Tugenhat will lose out to the batbrick crazy Badenoch or the slimy Jenrick. Labour are learning for sure. The way they announced cutting the winter fuel allowance showed a party that still needs to sharpen its political instincts so do the “freebies.” But even on the latter they will struggle to out do the Tories for pure sleaze. Remember the bloke Johnson took a loan off then appointed high up in the BBC, or the Russian son of a former KGB agent who partied with leading Johnson before being appointed to the Lords or Owen Patterson and his lobbying? I really doubt that their majority will “evaporate” unless people want a return to chaos.
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What's crazy about Badenoch?
 
Baleforce said:
She’s against cultural equality.
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I will take one of these.

So all cultures equal then, according to you and the others like Gutter Boy? Eugenics, he called it. Hmmmm

So cultures that consider Female Genital Mutilation perfectly fine, equal to cultures that think this is barbaric? And you are totally fine to have such a culture in the UK, because if you disagree with this and want this kind of culture nowhere near the UK, you're a thick racist eugenics supporting scumbag, because all cultures are equal, and we welcome them all yeah?

What about cultures that stone women to death for having pre-marital sex? You want that ideology in the UK?

What about cultures that refuse education to women, are these cultures equal?

What about lashing and imprisoning women for being raped, for stupid rules like being alone in the company of a man who is not a member of the family before wedlock?

What about cultures were the men can get away with *struggle cuddle* if they marry the women?

Or cultures that still allow slavery? Are they equal?

What about cultures that include child marriage, they equal too? You looking forward to the days of 9 year olds having their white wedding. And if your against it and think that culture is wrong and shouldn't exist in the modern world or anywhere near the country, you're a racist thicko.

Are you absolutely sure you want cultural equality?

You really haven't thought through what you are actually saying have you?

Because she doesn't think all cultures are equal and represent British Values and that she wants none of this stuff anywhere near the UK.... she's a Racist scumbag yeah? Just because she's a Tory? She's a bit thick, yeah?

I personally think her moral compass, might be a tad more better than yours.
 
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SkipRat said:
I will take one of these.

So all cultures equal then, according to you and the others like Gutter Boy? Eugenics, he called it. Hmmmm

So cultures that consider Female Genital Mutilation perfectly fine, equal to cultures that think this is barbaric? And you are totally fine to have such a culture in the UK, because if you disagree with this and want this kind of culture nowhere near the UK, you're a thick racist eugenics supporting scumbag, because all cultures are equal, and we welcome them all yeah?

What about cultures that stone women to death for having pre-marital sex? You want that ideology in the UK?

What about cultures that refuse education to women, are these cultures equal?

What about lashing and imprisoning women for being raped, for stupid rules like being alone in the company of a man who is not a member of the family before wedlock?

What about cultures were the men can get away with *struggle cuddle* if they marry the women?

Or cultures that still allow slavery? Are they equal?

What about cultures that include child marriage, they equal too? You looking forward to the days of 9 year olds having their white wedding. And if your against it and think that culture is wrong and shouldn't exist in the modern world or anywhere near the country, you're a racist thicko.

Are you absolutely sure you want cultural equality?

You really haven't thought through what you are actually saying have you?

Because she doesn't think all cultures are equal and represent British Values and that she wants none of this stuff anywhere near the UK.... she's a Racist scumbag yeah? Just because she's a Tory? She's a bit thick, yeah?

I personally think her moral compass, might be a tad more better than yours.
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Cultural equality includes bringing the same protections to those communities that others have.

I don’t believe she has any moral compass at all, she is saying whatever she thinks will get her power whilst letting her personal abhorrent bigotry leak out.

Any thoughts on my other examples?
 
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SkipRat said:
I will take one of these.

So all cultures equal then, according to you and the others like Gutter Boy? Eugenics, he called it. Hmmmm

So cultures that consider Female Genital Mutilation perfectly fine, equal to cultures that think this is barbaric? And you are totally fine to have such a culture in the UK, because if you disagree with this and want this kind of culture nowhere near the UK, you're a thick racist eugenics supporting scumbag, because all cultures are equal, and we welcome them all yeah?

What about cultures that stone women to death for having pre-marital sex? You want that ideology in the UK?

What about cultures that refuse education to women, are these cultures equal?

What about lashing and imprisoning women for being raped, for stupid rules like being alone in the company of a man who is not a member of the family before wedlock?

What about cultures were the men can get away with *struggle cuddle* if they marry the women?

Or cultures that still allow slavery? Are they equal?

What about cultures that include child marriage, they equal too? You looking forward to the days of 9 year olds having their white wedding. And if your against it and think that culture is wrong and shouldn't exist in the modern world or anywhere near the country, you're a racist thicko.

Are you absolutely sure you want cultural equality?

You really haven't thought through what you are actually saying have you?

Because she doesn't think all cultures are equal and represent British Values and that she wants none of this stuff anywhere near the UK.... she's a Racist scumbag yeah? Just because she's a Tory? She's a bit thick, yeah?

I personally think her moral compass, might be a tad more better than yours.
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Those things you describe are illegal in the UK and absolutely not things that the poster is saying are ok. I am certain that any migrant, even now is expected to respect UK laws. But not all do of course.

I'm not clear on her point tbh and, with respect, I'm not sure you are. Take FGM for example, if the UK won't accept anyone from a region where it is prevalent, we wouldn't accept Nigerian immigrants such as her? It's a bit broad brush to reject all migrants from a country because of what some communities practise? I'm sure that's not what she is saying.

I think when she is referring to cultures she is actually meaning Muslims. But she can't say that of course because it would be racist/islamaphobic to do so. What we do need to do is to call out bad things that are not compatible with UK law in all communities. I am all for that.
 
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glasgowspur said:
Ppe was junked because it went out of date, it's plastic, it doesn't go out of date.
But there in no money in not renewing it and certain people would out of a job if they didn't have these meaningless tasks.
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I always wondered about this, hard to believe PPE goes out of date in 6-12 months. If stored properly I'd hope it would last a few years but given it's medial I expect they're cautious.

A large part of the problem is everything has been outsourced so in a global stampede you can be outbid. A lot of core items should be manufactured here where possible even if the raw materials are sourced globally. It was a shame the vaccine factory got sold of, that's the type of facility we should be looking to keep here.
 
P.D. said:
I always wondered about this, hard to believe PPE goes out of date in 6-12 months. If stored properly I'd hope it would last a few years but given it's medial I expect they're cautious.

A large part of the problem is everything has been outsourced so in a global stampede you can be outbid. A lot of core items should be manufactured here where possible even if the raw materials are sourced globally. It was a shame the vaccine factory got sold of, that's the type of facility we should be looking to keep here.
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PPE doesn't really go out of date (well not as quickly as suggested in the press). The issue with PPE stocks and the procurement during the pandemic is that PPE guidance changes and at the height of the pandemic the official guidance for what was "safe" in terms of working in an environment with exposure to the virus was constantly changing almost week to week at one point. Hence part of the reason vast swathes of ordered PPE were being binned.
 
P.D. said:
I always wondered about this, hard to believe PPE goes out of date in 6-12 months. If stored properly I'd hope it would last a few years but given it's medial I expect they're cautious.

A large part of the problem is everything has been outsourced so in a global stampede you can be outbid. A lot of core items should be manufactured here where possible even if the raw materials are sourced globally. It was a shame the vaccine factory got sold of, that's the type of facility we should be looking to keep here.
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Knowing how difficult it was to get ppe, it almost impossible, surely out of date would have been better than nothing, even if it was only given out to care homes, funeral homes or other secondary sectors to relieve the pressure.

Several of our competitors tried turning their hand to making ppe, the hoops they had to go through to get it anywhere near official supply lines made it pointless.
There was no joined I thinking, it's embarrassing.
 
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