Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[Parklaner81]

Wait dude. Do you actually like Farage? I thought yourself and the more cerebral Brexit supporters on here knew that he is completely devoid of morals but didn't care because he is on your 'team'?

Loads of things he said make this very obvious... But the one that explifies it the most is this:

"If Brexit is a disaster, I will go and live abroad. I will go and live somewhere else"
Farage.

What a C unt (Farage, not you)

I'd like to think that whether I like someone or not, should not cloud my judgement as to whether I judge criticism of them to be fair or unfair. I'm sure I don't always manage to live up to this standard.

All I've done in this instance however is challenge a criticism that struck me as unjustified. The fact that, in response, others have attempted to make the issue one of the ethics of the person we're talking about, rather than the specific point of the original statement, indicates to me that I was probably right to do so.

 

[Parklaner81]

“Repeatedly asked me how he earns more than other politicians”

I outlined it in my first post. By using Brexit to line his pockets. Media fees and speaking dates. He wanted another referendum. When you’re making half a million a year, no wonder! How have I been unable to outline how he earns more than other politicians and why does it matter?

“Just enjoy pointing out the irony of the situation”

Lost on me. What irony? Irony is Farage wanting Brits to lose their freedoms and citizenship in Europe, while his kids choose to ‘go the other way’.

By using brexit to line his pockets, he manages to earn (I'm assuming) exactly the same salary as every other elected MEP per annum. And (again, I'm assuming here, I'll admit I don't have detailed knowledge of the figures) speaking fees comparable to those earned by other high profile politicians.

So he's not really an exception, is he?

Regarding the irony, I wasn't referring to Farage, but to you accusing me of a 'cheap dig' over something I had honestly assumed would come across as nothing more than light-hearted banter, then calling me a sun-reader when I challenge you on something! Come on, that's pretty ironic, right? And I've already answered the point regarding his children's passports - I honestly can't see that this situation is any more exceptional than his earnings.

 

[AuroRaman]

I'd like to think that whether I like someone or not, should not cloud my judgement as to whether I judge criticism of them to be fair or unfair. I'm sure I don't always manage to live up to this standard.

All I've done in this instance however is challenge a criticism that struck me as unjustified. The fact that, in response, others have attempted to make the issue one of the ethics of the person we're talking about, rather than the specific point of the original statement, indicates to me that I was probably right to do so.

I have been privy to conversations from Farage himself outlining his plan in politics. It’s so scarily close to @SpurMeUp ‘s take on it I’m now wondering whether he was there too [emoji15]


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[SpurMeUp]

@parklane81 400k pa is a lot on top of the 100k from the EU (never mind the 30k to his wife and 58k ‘security’). Very few MPs let alone MEPs make this kind of money. And it is transparent we can see what elected officials make.

I honestly don’t mind Farage In and of himself. The problem I have with him are his ethics. He is quite open about how he “uses” immigration. See some of the things he’s outlined about how immigration was a tool to push Brexit over the line.

Also if your modus operandi is getting the UK out of Europe, your career for 25 years, but you don’t have a plan or vision of what it looks like...that shows us something. Being kind, that his ideology is half baked, or meaner: he’s found a niche which keeps him ticking along having a good laugh and the cash rolling. I actually think it’s the former: he has an ideology but it’s not thought through. If it were UKIP would have had a Brexit vision...and let’s see whether The Brisket Party offers anything more than what they don’t want...

Ps nothing wrong with reading the Sun - I love Drear Deirdre [emoji23] - but their politics is biased of course. You wrote Gotcha a Sunism that was all.


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[the dza]

Farage is like a George Galloway figure imo (Galloway obviously a left-wing version). They can both be quite articulate and entertaining speakers and they do have some genuine political beliefs. But above all else, they prize publicity and making a nice living from a virtuous circle of politics/publicity/media. Massive egos the pair of them.

 

[Parklaner81]

Ps nothing wrong with reading the Sun - I love Drear Deirdre [emoji23] - but their politics is biased of course. You wrote Gotcha a Sunism that was all.

I'll be honest, I did used to be rather fond of it's 3rd page once upon a time...ah, the glorious past

 

[scaramanga]

[QUOTE="scaramanga, post: 1177771, member: 1For precisely the same reason, any Labour MP who doesn't send their kids to private school is a fudging idiot or a monster.

Eh? The poor sods are only on £80k. Private education for a couple of sprogs would swallow that easily.[/QUOTE]
Isn't that what fiddled expenses are for?

 

[scaramanga]

There are organisms in the animal kingdom that leech off other animals. They do well out of it. Generally we don’t like them however.

As a public statesman you should have ethics and avoid hypocrisy I would guess. The irony of his kids having a choice to have an EU passport or a British one, and choosing an EU one, while Farage himself suggests Brits should not have such a choice or freedom, is not lost on me.


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Has Farage at any point suggested that UK residents should not be able to marry EU ones?

 

[SpurMeUp]

Has Farage at any point suggested that UK residents should not be able to marry EU ones?

The point has evidently gone over your head. No one is suggesting people should not have different nationalities or passports. It’s simply the irony that his children choose to be part of the EU rather that Britain. Faced with the same essential question, in or out, they wanted the freedom to be European. The choice his kids had is a choice Farage seeks to deny us natives who don’t have eu lineage.

I think it’s one of the reasons why the old support Brexit and the young remain. Being part of the EU people have freedom to be in any nation in Europe. The old have put down roots, the young are footloose and freedom to move unencumbered appeals.



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[Parklaner81]

The point has evidently gone over your head. No one is suggesting people should not have different nationalities or passports. It’s simply the irony that his children choose to be part of the EU rather that Britain. Faced with the same essential question, in or out, they wanted the freedom to be European. The choice his kids had is a choice Farage seeks to deny us natives who don’t have eu lineage.

I'd personally find it stranger in this day and age if the children had chosen not to hold the same passports as their mothers. There's nothing to see here.

 

[monkeybarry]

I'd personally find it stranger in this day and age if the children had chosen not to hold the same passports as their mothers. There's nothing to see here.

I'm hoping you posted this in the 80s.
Children in "this day and age" are far more likely to make an information based decision, not a gender based one.
They have freedom of choice and expression, and chose the EU path.

 

[StephenH]

Talking to someone in immigration recently they said “if a visitor arrives here and gives birth the baby automatically gets the nationality of the mum!”

 

[Parklaner81]

I'm hoping you posted this in the 80s.
Children in "this day and age" are far more likely to make an information based decision, not a gender based one.
They have freedom of choice and expression, and chose the EU path.

I actually intended no inference to gender in my post - though to continue the theme, it's an interesting 'sign of the times' that you interpreted my words in that way. I was more referring to the completely natural inclination of a child to take up the citizenship options bestowed on them by their parentage, particularly in this age where international marriages are far more commonplace than previously, and where their maternal families are likely to be living in EU nations (an assumption - I'm not privy to the details). I'd happily express the same sentiment with the genders reversed.

My wider point though is that this has little or nothing to do with the choices of the children, and everything to do with the identity of their father.

 

[scaramanga]

The point has evidently gone over your head. No one is suggesting people should not have different nationalities or passports. It’s simply the irony that his children choose to be part of the EU rather that Britain. Faced with the same essential question, in or out, they wanted the freedom to be European. The choice his kids had is a choice Farage seeks to deny us natives who don’t have eu lineage.

I think it’s one of the reasons why the old support Brexit and the young remain. Being part of the EU people have freedom to be in any nation in Europe. The old have put down roots, the young are footloose and freedom to move unencumbered appeals.



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I'd personally find it stranger in this day and age if the children had chosen not to hold the same passports as their mothers. There's nothing to see here.

What he said.

Taking the mother's nationality is just what happens. I suspect the tendency for courts to award primary custody to mothers in the vast majority of divorce cases has a lot to do with it.

 

[SpurMeUp]

My wider point though is that this has little or nothing to do with the choices of the children, and everything to do with the identity of their father.

I don’t disagree. If my old man was N Farage I’d probably want to be European too!

@StephenH yes exactly. In the US if a pregnant lady ‘drops’ while visiting the kid gets a US passport.


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[Parklaner81]

I don’t disagree. If my old man was N Farage I’d probably want to be European too!

Particularly if your mother was european. That's why there's absolutely nothing to this.

 

[monkeybarry]

I actually intended no inference to gender in my post - though to continue the theme, it's an interesting 'sign of the times' that you interpreted my words in that way. I was more referring to the completely natural inclination of a child to take up the citizenship options bestowed on them by their parentage, particularly in this age where international marriages are far more commonplace than previously, and where their maternal families are likely to be living in EU nations (an assumption - I'm not privy to the details). I'd happily express the same sentiment with the genders reversed.

My wider point though is that this has little or nothing to do with the choices of the children, and everything to do with the identity of their father.

Would have been easier to say "it's not a surprise the kids chose their mum because farage is a bellend".??!!

There is one point in this post I'm very interested in - where do you think your assumption (perception?) that in international relationships, it's usually the female that is non British?
Genuinely curious. Not trying set up a trolling or argument.

 

[monkeybarry]

Particularly if your mother was european. That's why there's absolutely nothing to this.

That really is utter brick. Again you have rejected the notion that they made a choice for their own lives.
They like saying, my dad is a taco so I'm never getting on a bus again.

 

[Parklaner81]

Would have been easier to say "it's not a surprise the kids chose their mum because farage is a bellend".??!!

There is one point in this post I'm very interested in - where do you think your assumption (perception?) that in international relationships, it's usually the female that is non British?
Genuinely curious. Not trying set up a trolling or argument.

You have completely misinterpreted my post/s on so many levels...

Firstly, in saying that this discussion has everything to do with the father's identity, I was referring to the motivation of remain-supporters in raising the entire (non) issue. You seem to think I was inferring something entirely different? It's been raised because it's Farage, and it's intended to somehow support the remain cause. But it's such a non-issue that (IMO) it only undermines the case of those who seek to make it.

I'm honestly not sure where you are getting it from that 'I' assume that it would usually be the female who is non-british in an international relationship. I can say, again, with my hand on my heart that no such assumption exists, nor even entered my head. I can't therefore offer much for your curiosity in this matter, because it existed in your head before it did mine.

((Edit - ok, I think I see where you've taken that from now - if I'm correct, that was a reference on my part to Farage's children specifically, and my assumption that their maternal family are based in Germany.))

I learned some time ago how easily words can sometimes be misinterpreted when expressed via text message/email, though this conversation is honestly taking my awareness of this problem to another level...

 

[Parklaner81]

That really is utter brick. Again you have rejected the notion that they made a choice for their own lives.
They like saying, my dad is a taco so I'm never getting on a bus again.

I reject nothing of the sort. I simply suggest that it strikes me as a natural and obvious choice to make where a person is born with parents of differing nationalities, without even considering the political situation.