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Jacob Rees-Mogg's SISTER has been announced as one of the first candidates for Nigel Farage's BrexitParty.

Annunziata Rees-Mogg - a former Tory candidate who joined the Conservatives at the age of five - was unveiled as a shock star candidate for EU elections on May 23.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Its abit of a mute point, the fact is Corbyns turned hi back on a large part of his voters and those where labour were the appeal AKA out of London and the working class.
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More to the point Corbyn has turned back on himself, a man who has been anti EU his entire life and actively campaigned against it now seems to be slowly turning into a remainer though to be fair he's still never given a glowing speech about it. I suspect the shadow cabinet have been pressing on the referendum and they see it as a route to an election win which is a shame as while I'm not a fan of Corbyn I do admire people who are principled and stick with things rather than changing with the wind. In my view I think that's also what got him a lot of votes, he was seen as someone who would stand up for his beliefs.
 
P.D. said:
More to the point Corbyn has turned back on himself, a man who has been anti EU his entire life and actively campaigned against it now seems to be slowly turning into a remainer though to be fair he's still never given a glowing speech about it. I suspect the shadow cabinet have been pressing on the referendum and they see it as a route to an election win which is a shame as while I'm not a fan of Corbyn I do admire people who are principled and stick with things rather than changing with the wind. In my view I think that's also what got him a lot of votes, he was seen as someone who would stand up for his beliefs.
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In what way? In recent years he was mainly anti EU due to the fact he thinks it prevented Nationalization rather than anything else. His Customs union would allow nationalization.
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
Jacob Rees-Mogg's SISTER has been announced as one of the first candidates for Nigel Farage's BrexitParty.

Annunziata Rees-Mogg - a former Tory candidate who joined the Conservatives at the age of five - was unveiled as a shock star candidate for EU elections on May 23.
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Proper working-class representation, not like those North London Champagne Socialists.
 
P.D. said:
More to the point Corbyn has turned back on himself, a man who has been anti EU his entire life and actively campaigned against it now seems to be slowly turning into a remainer though to be fair he's still never given a glowing speech about it. I suspect the shadow cabinet have been pressing on the referendum and they see it as a route to an election win which is a shame as while I'm not a fan of Corbyn I do admire people who are principled and stick with things rather than changing with the wind. In my view I think that's also what got him a lot of votes, he was seen as someone who would stand up for his beliefs.
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And the reason for that is why? Because he wants the top job.

Sickening really
 
I've still got a bit of faith that Corbyn will go with his principles, say jog on to his Blairite backbenchers, and whip for the withdrawal deal at some point
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
Jacob Rees-Mogg's SISTER has been announced as one of the first candidates for Nigel Farage's BrexitParty.

Annunziata Rees-Mogg - a former Tory candidate who joined the Conservatives at the age of five - was unveiled as a shock star candidate for EU elections on May 23.
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I watched a counter-culture documentary the other night and Rees-Mogg's dad appeared in it twice. As editor of the Times he allowed the Beatles to publish their legalise weed advert (which all other papers banned) and then he had a cosy tea with Mick Jagger when he was released from prison on drugs charges. It was just a bit surreal.
 
I dont see why you would. He seems to value the PM job above everything else. Its all about a GE and thats it.

He is still ducking the party line on a referedum too, isnt he? These talks an attempt to avoid it...
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
I dont see why you would. He seems to value the PM job above everything else. Its all about a GE and thats it.

He is still ducking the party line on a referedum too, isnt he? These talks an attempt to avoid it...
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The talks are all for show imo, they will end with no agreement. Labour has to play along or they get the "ohh, you won't even meet for talks" bullsh1t, but May has no intention of reaching an agreement with them. In the end, the referendum becomes more likely because the longer it all goes on, the more Labour MPs become in favour of it (again, imo). If soft-Brexit won't get through, if May's deal won't and if no-deal won't, in the end they have to go for a General Election or a 2nd referendum. And imo, if they go for a GE, Labour will say that they will put whatever deal they can come up with to a public vote (with remain as the other option).

And of course Corbyn wants to try and force (and subsequently win) a GE. Those of us on the loony left want to get rid of the phucking Tories above all else, Brexit is secondary to that. The same as for the centrist dad's army or the anti-EU lot on the right, Brexit is the number 1 issue.
 
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Grays_1890 said:
I suppose if you have as many have lived through no real benefit of being in the EU or at least obvious they will take the simple, better out then in approach. After year of hardship a few more in their minds might be worth it if there is this light at the end of the tunnel.

Ultimately people were not asked to highlight the benefit of brexit when they voted it was in or out, thats not the peoples fault. Also when you vote for Government you do so in many cases through tribal stances, you are a staunch Tory or Staunch Labour etc you dont always look at the nitty gritty of the manifesto which could be a wrong thing to do however its still not your job to then run the NHS or the country or come up with strategy in the same way its not down to those that voted leave to see the plan through and come up with anything more than what they voted, thats the nature of the beast. Thats why politicians are paid the money they are
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It's a good post. And true. We have a representative democracy. Which means we elect what we think are competent people who broadly align with our views and they get on with it. It has worked for a long time. I heard one of Thatchers close aids on newsnight, he said she was completely against referendum for this reason - it makes a mockery of representative democracy.

If you take this as true - all forms of Brexit leave the UK worse off - then it makes representative democracy impossible. All MPs can deliver is the least bad Brexit. Which is no good to anyone. The premise that underpins Brexit is the issue. It was miss-sold as easy, in the UK interests, and to deal with immigration. We know it aint easy, it is against many good things that the UK gets within the EU, and immigration is like 7 times greater from non-EU nations now. And we control that.

You have to take ownership of the underlying issues of Brexit, becuase there is no escape route. Bank of Endland, every economic model made by respected careful sources show Brexit damages the UK economy. Say that is not my problem all you like, but when there is less to go round, who will you blame?
 
Well I have just put my money where my mouth is and put money into the brexit party. I like Corbyn for so much and if we come out of the EU he will get my vote for his vision of Britain for the future. But we have to come out of the EU and for that we need Mr Farage and his chums, time for me to stand up for what I believe in.
 
scaramanga said:
Politicians are paid fudge all - that's probably one of the reasons they're all so brick.
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Farage an exception though. He’s made a career out of it. £100k pa from the EU. £30k pa for his wife or ‘Personal Assistant’. £400,000 registered last year to his company from media fees and speaking charges. Plus whatever Danish gave him!

He claims he gave up his business for Brexit but really his business is Brexit. Wonder why he wanted another referendum? He doesn’t want this gravy train to end. And it probably won’t, he’ll continue to make £500,000 a year quite happily. Cheers Danish me old mucker.


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scaramanga said:
Politicians are paid fudge all - that's probably one of the reasons they're all so brick.
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My last year running my locksmith franchise was 2008, I sold it the following year. But the last year I filed accounts I paid myself £65,000 and that was 10 years ago.

They are paid poorly in relative terms and that is why they are lying scum bag pieces of brick.
 
scaramanga said:
Politicians are paid fudge all - that's probably one of the reasons they're all so brick.
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My last year running my locksmith franchise was 2008, I sold it the following year. But the last year I filed accounts I paid myself £65,000 and that was 10 years ago.

They are paid poorly in relative terms and that is why they are lying scum bag pieces of brick.
 
r-u-s-x said:
In what way? In recent years he was mainly anti EU due to the fact he thinks it prevented Nationalization rather than anything else. His Customs union would allow nationalization.
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But a referendum won't allow nationalisation if remain wins. I don't know all the details of the EU state aid rules but I'm fairly sure parts of his manifesto aren't deliverable if we were to stay.
 
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