Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[AuroRaman]

Farage an exception though. He’s made a career out of it. £100k pa from the EU. £30k pa for his wife or ‘Personal Assistant’. £400,000 registered last year to his company from media fees and speaking charges. Plus whatever Danish gave him!

He claims he gave up his business for Brexit but really his business is Brexit. Wonder why he wanted another referendum? He doesn’t want this gravy train to end. And it probably won’t, he’ll continue to make £500,000 a year quite happily. Cheers Danish me old mucker.


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He’s not a politician, he’s a shrewd business person, in a similar vein to Piers Morgan and Katie Hopkins. They’re laughing at us all the way to the bank.


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[Parklaner81]

Farage an exception though. He’s made a career out of it. £100k pa from the EU. £30k pa for his wife or ‘Personal Assistant’. £400,000 registered last year to his company from media fees and speaking charges. Plus whatever Danish gave him!

So in what way does this make him different from any other MEP, or from Blair, Cameron etc.?

 

[SpurMeUp]

So in what way does this make him different from any other MEP, or from Blair, Cameron etc.?

Most MEPs and MPs do a job. Actively working to improve lives, improve laws, makes things better for people. Farage just sneers and takes the cash. Doesn’t donate it to a good cause...while he’s on a paid jolly to France to drink wine and ridicule others who are working.

On top of this he claimed 58k for security - body guards - including a trip to the darts! All at our expense.

The guys kids have EU passports rather than British ones. Draw your own conclusions.


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[Baleforce]

I think everyone should check out,

https://thebrexitparty.com/

 

[Parklaner81]

Most MEPs and MPs do a job. Actively working to improve lives, improve laws, makes things better for people. Farage just sneers and takes the cash. Doesn’t donate it to a good cause...while he’s on a paid jolly to France to drink wine and ridicule others who are working.

On top of this he claimed 58k for security - body guards - including a trip to the darts! All at our expense.

The guys kids have EU passports rather than British ones. Draw your own conclusions.

We can all aim jabs and slurs at politicians we dislike (unless it's Diane Abbott, of course), but I was interested in what it is that's exceptional about what he's been paid as an MEP, or earned relative to other comparable figures?

 

[SpurMeUp]

We can all aim jabs and slurs at politicians we dislike (unless it's Diane Abbott, of course), but I was interested in what it is that's exceptional about what he's been paid as an MEP, or earned relative to other comparable figures?

What is exceptional is he doesn’t do the job, but takes as much money for himself as possible, even paying his wife a tidy 30k, and friends ‘bodyguards’ £58k. Blair and Camron worked their socks off. Other MPs work hard for people. Farage takes 100k plus expenses for doing nothing part from sneering at the EU.

He’s also become rich from Brexit. He could have easily donated the 100k he gets from an institution he does not believe in to deprived areas of the UK, but he’s on the make and his morals are highly questionable IMO. Those are the core differences to others who actually are public servants.


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[Parklaner81]

What is exceptional is he doesn’t do the job, but takes as much money for himself as possible, even paying his wife a tidy 30k, and friends ‘bodyguards’ £58k. Blair and Camron worked their socks off. Other MPs work hard for people. Farage takes 100k plus expenses for doing nothing part from sneering at the EU.

He’s also become rich from Brexit. He could have easily donated the 100k he gets from an institution he does not believe in to deprived areas of the UK, but he’s on the make and his morals are highly questionable IMO. Those are the core differences to others who actually are public servants.

Ahhhhhh, so we're not talking about the amounts actually earned being exceptional then, we're talking about your personal appraisal of their job performance. Gotcha.

So I'll assume the amounts he's been paid aren't actually exceptional at all, it's just that you don't think he's worth them, relative to others. And you strongly disapprove that he doesn't donate his earnings to charity.

 

[SpurMeUp]

Ahhhhhh, so we're not talking about the amounts actually earned being exceptional then, we're talking about your personal appraisal of their job performance. Gotcha.

So I'll assume the amounts he's been paid aren't actually exceptional at all, it's just that you don't think he's worth them, relative to others. And you strongly disapprove that he doesn't donate his earnings to charity.

Put it this way, if you knew a policeman who took his salary each month, but sat around ridiculing the law and not doing any police work, while sorting out his pals and making as much coin as he could, would you be be okay with it? Gotcha.

Have you been reading the Sun? Would explain the outlook.


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[scaramanga]

Put it this way, if you knew a policeman who took his salary each month, but sat around ridiculing the law and not doing any police work, while sorting out his pals and making as much coin as he could, would you be be okay with it? Gotcha.

Have you been reading the Sun? Would explain the outlook.


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I'd be ok with it if we'd elected that policeman to work for us to try and dismantle the police force.

 

[SpurMeUp]

I'd be ok with it if we'd elected that policeman to work for us to try and dismantle the police force.

Fair play. But if said policeman was also making 400k a year as a result of his police endeavours and preached against the police force - but was happily on the make from them at the same time -it doesn’t sit right. In the meantime his kids are card carriers of the force.


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[scaramanga]

Fair play. But if said policeman was also making 400k a year as a result of his police endeavours and preached against the police force - but was happily on the make from them at the same time -it doesn’t sit right. In the meantime his kids are card carriers of the force.


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Everyone's entitled to earn money in any legal way they see fit. He should be preaching against the force - that's what we voted for him to do.

And why wouldn't his kids have European passports? I don't see any issue with wanting the freedom of choice to be or not be an EU citizen as each person chooses. For precisely the same reason, any Labour MP who doesn't send their kids to private school is a fudging idiot or a monster.

 

[r-u-s-x]

But a referendum won't allow nationalisation if remain wins. I don't know all the details of the EU state aid rules but I'm fairly sure parts of his manifesto aren't deliverable if we were to stay.

It is OK if remain wins, just harder . Either way he is not pushing for remain

 

[ShipOfTheseus]

[QUOTE="scaramanga, post: 1177771, member: 1For precisely the same reason, any Labour MP who doesn't send their kids to private school is a fudging idiot or a monster.[/QUOTE]

Eh? The poor sods are only on £80k. Private education for a couple of sprogs would swallow that easily.

 

[Parklaner81]

Put it this way, if you knew a policeman who took his salary each month, but sat around ridiculing the law and not doing any police work, while sorting out his pals and making as much coin as he could, would you be be okay with it? Gotcha.

Have you been reading the Sun? Would explain the outlook.

So once again when cornered on something, you attempt to re-define the discussion to fit the flimsy ammunition you have. This is becoming a bit of a pattern, isn't it?

Out of interest, what is it that gives you such a unique and detailed insight into his daily work schedule and financial affairs? And presumably, those of a significant number of other politicians, since it is the comparisons with these upon which you appear so outraged?

And just to finish, I believe the other day you accused me and a few others on here of resorting to 'cheap digs' because we were 'losing an argument'. Oh the irony....

 

[DTA]

So once again when cornered on something, you attempt to re-define the discussion to fit the flimsy ammunition you have. This is becoming a bit of a pattern, isn't it?

Out of interest, what is it that gives you such a unique and detailed insight into his daily work schedule and financial affairs? And presumably, those of a significant number of other politicians, since it is the comparisons with these upon which you appear so outraged?

And just to finish, I believe the other day you accused me and a few others on here of resorting to 'cheap digs' because we were 'losing an argument'. Oh the irony....

Wait dude. Do you actually like Farage? I thought yourself and the more cerebral Brexit supporters on here knew that he is completely devoid of morals but didn't care because he is on your 'team'?

Loads of things he said make this very obvious... But the one that explifies it the most is this:

"If Brexit is a disaster, I will go and live abroad. I will go and live somewhere else"
Farage.

What a C unt (Farage, not you)

 

[SpurMeUp]

So once again when cornered on something, you attempt to re-define the discussion to fit the flimsy ammunition you have. This is becoming a bit of a pattern, isn't it?

Out of interest, what is it that gives you such a unique and detailed insight into his daily work schedule and financial affairs? And presumably, those of a significant number of other politicians, since it is the comparisons with these upon which you appear so outraged?

And just to finish, I believe the other day you accused me and a few others on here of resorting to 'cheap digs' because we were 'losing an argument'. Oh the irony....

Cornered on what? Digs where? I’m sorry you took it personally wasn’t intended as such. I’m not outraged either, I find Farage amusing. His ethics and hypocrisy are questionable tho. How can you be bankrolled for 20 years from the organisation you have built your career opposing? It’s no big deal but personally I think his anti-everything approach (with no positive vision) while coining it from the target of his criticism is either genius or ethically questionable, probably both.

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[SpurMeUp]

Everyone's entitled to earn money in any legal way they see fit. He should be preaching against the force - that's what we voted for him to do.

And why wouldn't his kids have European passports? I don't see any issue with wanting the freedom of choice to be or not be an EU citizen as each person chooses. For precisely the same reason, any Labour MP who doesn't send their kids to private school is a fudging idiot or a monster.

There are organisms in the animal kingdom that leech off other animals. They do well out of it. Generally we don’t like them however.

As a public statesman you should have ethics and avoid hypocrisy I would guess. The irony of his kids having a choice to have an EU passport or a British one, and choosing an EU one, while Farage himself suggests Brits should not have such a choice or freedom, is not lost on me.


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[Parklaner81]

Cornered on what?

This conversation began with you suggesting that Farage was an exception to the rule that politicians earns little money. I repeatedly asked you to point out how he earns greater amounts of money than his peers, or other comparable figures. Unable to do so, you have instead attempted to re-frame the conversation in terms of ethics and morals.

Digs where?

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Have you been reading the Sun? Would explain the outlook.

Don't worry I haven't taken it personally, I just enjoyed pointing out the irony of the situation. I'm not here to defend Farage's ethics or morals, I just would prefer criticism to be fair and valid, which you still haven't convinced me in the slightest that your original statement is.

 

[Parklaner81]

As a public statesman you should have ethics and avoid hypocrisy I would guess. The irony of his kids having a choice to have an EU passport or a British one, and choosing an EU one, while Farage himself suggests Brits should not have such a choice or freedom, is not lost on me.

The children's mothers are EU nationals, are they not? If so I see nothing at all unusual, or indeed ironic, about such a situation.

 

[SpurMeUp]

This conversation began with you suggesting that Farage was an exception to the rule that politicians earns little money. I repeatedly asked you to point out how he earns greater amounts of money than his peers, or other comparable figures. Unable to do so, you have instead attempted to re-frame the conversation in terms of ethics and morals.



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Don't worry I haven't taken it personally, I just enjoyed pointing out the irony of the situation. I'm not here to defend Farage's ethics or morals, I just would prefer criticism to be fair and valid, which you still haven't convinced me in the slightest that your original statement is.

“Repeatedly asked me how he earns more than other politicians”

I outlined it in my first post. By using Brexit to line his pockets. Media fees and speaking dates. He wanted another referendum. When you’re making half a million a year, no wonder! How have I been unable to outline how he earns more than other politicians and why does it matter?

“Just enjoy pointing out the irony of the situation”

Lost on me. What irony? Irony is Farage wanting Brits to lose their freedoms and citizenship in Europe, while his kids choose to ‘go the other way’.


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