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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

Danishfurniturelover said:
Like the labour idea of getting rid of the house of Lords, need a cull of the uncivil service as well though.
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We definitely need to get rid of the HoL. Although I don’t think it can be directly elected, otherwise we’d end up with the same gridlock brick show as they have in America. It needs to be indirectly elected by vocational panels, like the Irish upper chamber is.

The one thing I hate about Gordon Brown and stuff like this, is his divide and rule approach to England. It’s always Scotland, Wales, NI, plus the EU’s division of English regions. But those regions don’t have any natural identity.

I actually think an English Parliament as a lower chamber (replacing the HoC), and a Nordic Council type upper chamber for the 4 nations (covering mainly just foreign policy and defence) might be a way forward.
 
Gutter Boy said:
We definitely need to get rid of the HoL. Although I don’t think it can be directly elected, otherwise we’d end up with the same gridlock brick show as they have in America. It needs to be indirectly elected by vocational panels, like the Irish upper chamber is.

The one thing I hate about Gordon Brown and stuff like this, is his divide and rule approach to England. It’s always Scotland, Wales, NI, plus the EU’s division of English regions. But those regions don’t have any natural identity.

I actually think an English Parliament as a lower chamber (replacing the HoC), and a Nordic Council type upper chamber for the 4 nations (covering mainly just foreign policy and defence) might be a way forward.
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The commons can overrule the hol.
 
Rorschach said:
What is the read on Iran? These protests don't seem to be stopping.
Any chance of this toppling the regime?
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Would be amazing. I know lots of Persian diaspora. That country has so much potential to be a force for good in the world - they are so well-educated, cultured and generally decent people.

The country should be rivalling Turkey and Indonesia to become leaders of the modern democratic Muslim world. Not stuck in the Stone Age with the Salafis.
 
This is getting beyond a joke now

The National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers has revealed additional strike dates set to affect the UK over Christmas.

Already, rail strikes - and also bus strikes - have been in full-swing across the UK.

However, prepare for your Christmas plans to become even more difficult to achieve as the National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers (RMT) has announced its adding further dates to its strike

Strikes were already set to affect most of the UK from next week, with Network Rail alongside 14 other train companies striking on 13, 14, 16 and 17 December.

The strikes were then expected to pause over the week of Christmas, before continuing on 3, 4, 6 and 7 January.

Alas, prepare to weep tears of sorrow - or maybe happiness - at the prospect of not making it back down to your family for the big day, because 24, 25, 26 and 27 December will also now be affected by strikes.

Rail union members working at Network Rail are reported to be told by the RMT to stop working from 6:00pm on the 24 December to 6:00am on 27 December, as per The Mirror.

The additional dates come in response to train companies 'very poor' offer to RMT of increasing workers' pay for the years 2022 and 2023 by four percent - an offer the RMT swiftly rejected.

RMT general secretary Mick Lynch resolved that the union has 'no choice' but to continue to strike.

He said: "Our members simply aren't in the position - [from] the feedback that we've had - to accept the changes that the companies have put on the table. So the action will go ahead.


"We remain open to discussion with the companies, they know what needs to be done to get this dispute progressed, but at the moment, we've not gotten the means to a solution."
 
markysimmo said:
This is getting beyond a joke now

The National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers has revealed additional strike dates set to affect the UK over Christmas.

Already, rail strikes - and also bus strikes - have been in full-swing across the UK.

However, prepare for your Christmas plans to become even more difficult to achieve as the National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers (RMT) has announced its adding further dates to its strike

Strikes were already set to affect most of the UK from next week, with Network Rail alongside 14 other train companies striking on 13, 14, 16 and 17 December.

The strikes were then expected to pause over the week of Christmas, before continuing on 3, 4, 6 and 7 January.

Alas, prepare to weep tears of sorrow - or maybe happiness - at the prospect of not making it back down to your family for the big day, because 24, 25, 26 and 27 December will also now be affected by strikes.

Rail union members working at Network Rail are reported to be told by the RMT to stop working from 6:00pm on the 24 December to 6:00am on 27 December, as per The Mirror.

The additional dates come in response to train companies 'very poor' offer to RMT of increasing workers' pay for the years 2022 and 2023 by four percent - an offer the RMT swiftly rejected.

RMT general secretary Mick Lynch resolved that the union has 'no choice' but to continue to strike.

He said: "Our members simply aren't in the position - [from] the feedback that we've had - to accept the changes that the companies have put on the table. So the action will go ahead.


"We remain open to discussion with the companies, they know what needs to be done to get this dispute progressed, but at the moment, we've not gotten the means to a solution."
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Just give public sector pay the same triple lock as pensions. Job done
 
Gutter Boy said:
Just give public sector pay the same triple lock as pensions. Job done
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Generally speaking the public sector are paid to much already. Record cancer rates, thick kids and higher reoffending among criminals. If as they always protest that they are over worked then they should accept pay cuts so they can get more staff into help them out.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
Generally speaking the public sector are paid to much already. Record cancer rates, thick kids and higher reoffending among criminals. If as they always protest that they are over worked then they should accept pay cuts so they can get more staff into help them out.
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But when schools, universities and healthcare cant recruit because amazon werehouse picking pays better, something has gone very wrong
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
Generally speaking the public sector are paid to much already. Record cancer rates, thick kids and higher reoffending among criminals. If as they always protest that they are over worked then they should accept pay cuts so they can get more staff into help them out.
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Congratulations! It’s a late effort, but you’ve won The Most Ridiculous Post of the Year Award!

Please collect your prize from the moderators.
 
Danishfurniturelover said:
Generally speaking the public sector are paid to much already. Record cancer rates, thick kids and higher reoffending among criminals. If as they always protest that they are over worked then they should accept pay cuts so they can get more staff into help them out.
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Actually the issue is the opposite from what I’ve seen working as a consultant in the public sector

Better pay would get in better people who would make the system better with less bodies so in effect pay for itself

That wouldn’t work for all roles for course but I’ve seen first hand so much waste, because people are of limited skill sets earning a below par wage, but one that is relevant for their skills… but also means 3 people are employed. If they
paid relevant decent money the job could be done by 2 people for the same actual cost

I knows that’s a bit of a ramble of a post but it’s certainly what I experienced spending 30 months working in gov
 
Police officers should only be given pay rises if the are more criminals in prison.
.also they should not be fat or have tattoos. The police officers that is.

Criminals can have tattoos, well actually they all do. Young girl served me in Costa earlier had them all over her arms and a ring through her nose as if she was cattle.
 
markysimmo said:
This is getting beyond a joke now

The National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers has revealed additional strike dates set to affect the UK over Christmas.

Already, rail strikes - and also bus strikes - have been in full-swing across the UK.

However, prepare for your Christmas plans to become even more difficult to achieve as the National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers (RMT) has announced its adding further dates to its strike

Strikes were already set to affect most of the UK from next week, with Network Rail alongside 14 other train companies striking on 13, 14, 16 and 17 December.

The strikes were then expected to pause over the week of Christmas, before continuing on 3, 4, 6 and 7 January.

Alas, prepare to weep tears of sorrow - or maybe happiness - at the prospect of not making it back down to your family for the big day, because 24, 25, 26 and 27 December will also now be affected by strikes.

Rail union members working at Network Rail are reported to be told by the RMT to stop working from 6:00pm on the 24 December to 6:00am on 27 December, as per The Mirror.

The additional dates come in response to train companies 'very poor' offer to RMT of increasing workers' pay for the years 2022 and 2023 by four percent - an offer the RMT swiftly rejected.

RMT general secretary Mick Lynch resolved that the union has 'no choice' but to continue to strike.

He said: "Our members simply aren't in the position - [from] the feedback that we've had - to accept the changes that the companies have put on the table. So the action will go ahead.


"We remain open to discussion with the companies, they know what needs to be done to get this dispute progressed, but at the moment, we've not gotten the means to a solution."
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Was speaking to a bus driver on sunday. He's 66 and pretty clued up. His union have accepted the deal. Think it's about a 10% pay rise. It's back dated to april. He reckons a lot of the drivers voted for it just for the back date and the overtime they've done. As soon as it comes through they'll be off to other jobs. So that should be fun.
 
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