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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)
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Les Howe
FIrstly, this was ONLY in the context of radical Islam. It is written in my post. Secondly, a changed version of a Chinese education camp - IS NOT - a Chinese education camp. Moreover all I was doing was discussing it. Never endorsing it. Thirdly, and I must have written it 10 times or more, I have continuously said that Chinese imprisonment of innocent people is wholly wrong.
Where is the racism? I won't say anymore. I'm out.
I was also on the wine… but I run out, so now having a little whiskey before bed.
unfettered anything is bad and capitalism needs checks and balances, we actually live in a country, assuming you live in the uk where it’s a hybrid between capitalism and socialism. It’s about finding that balance that works and not throwing everything out and starting again because that was tried in the 20th century and led to millions upon millions of deaths
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
You could have said a changed version of concentration camps. Not Chinese. Just the general understanding of them. And then you would have sounded like an even more bigoted fool. Genuinely.
But the Chinese don’t only imprison radical islamists they just imprison Muslims… do you see why @LutonSpurs may be upset with this?
If someone said a changed version of the Nazi concentration camps… would you find that acceptable?
a changed version of the soviet gulags?
that all good to you?
Lol, everyone getting outraged and offended, accusations of racism thrown about. So we can't have these discussions. Politicians avoid it like the plague. Yet wonder why our society is getting pushed more to extremes? How did farage become a thing?
Worse is to come unfortunately. Can see us doing a deal with denmark to share their refugee camp in rwanda. All the illegal migrants will be sent there. We're already in talks.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/...rk-refugees-asylum-rwanda-africa-b942912.html
Worse is to come unfortunately. Can see us doing a deal with denmark to share their refugee camp in rwanda. All the illegal migrants will be sent there. We're already in talks.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/...rk-refugees-asylum-rwanda-africa-b942912.html
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
We are literally having the conversation.
milo
Jack L. Jones
The Chinese "re-education" camps that you advocated are concentration camps where people are interned because of their faith and tortured. Have a look at the Amnesty link that I shared.
You are asking Muslims to condemn Islamist terrorism. A few years old but still true
"Here is what Muslims and Muslim organizations are expected to say: "As a Muslim, I condemn this attack and terrorism in any form."
This expectation we place on Muslims, to be absolutely clear, is Islamophobic and bigoted. The denunciation is a form of apology: an apology for Islam and for Muslims. The implication is that every Muslim is under suspicion of being sympathetic to terrorism unless he or she explicitly says otherwise. The implication is also that any crime committed by a Muslim is the responsibility of all Muslims simply by virtue of their shared religion."
https://www.vox.com/2014/12/15/7394223/muslims-condemn-charlie-hebdo
I didn't call you a racist, I said that you were saying something racist. This expectation we place on Muslims, to be absolutely clear, is Islamophobic and bigoted. The denunciation is a form of apology: an apology for Islam and for Muslims. The implication is that every Muslim is under suspicion of being sympathetic to terrorism unless he or she explicitly says otherwise. The implication is also that any crime committed by a Muslim is the responsibility of all Muslims simply by virtue of their shared religion."
https://www.vox.com/2014/12/15/7394223/muslims-condemn-charlie-hebdo
I agree totally with that statement. I also know that many muslim leaders do come out and condemn the attacks. I know that the vast majority of muslims condemn the attacks. We are all people who just want to get by, take care of our families, work love and be loved.
But don't be surprised when @SpurMeUp question becomes a reality.
concentration camps?
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
I would agree that balance (or sustainability in my lingo) is the only way. Taking the best of what we know and creating a better system based on past experience has been the story of humanity, albeit with some ups and downs. But 'balance' is not what is happening now by any stretch of the imagination in my opinion. We have a widening gap between the top and the rest. We are in a new gilded age.
And the path we are on will lead to many many millions of deaths too. For example, without course correction 150 million deaths will be caused by air pollution alone in the next 70-80 years, 200 million climate refugees, <insert horrible other prediction here> . I could spout loads more statistics but instead, I'll just reiterate that this form of capitalism is not working.
Social democracy would be the preferred choice for most liberal thinking people I would think, but I'm not sure what the UK is anymore. Trending toward an illiberal democracy would be the way I view it now, which is beyond tragic for a country with the history it has.
If you get to the end of this pour yourself another.
I agree - private schools shouldn't only be for the rich.
That's why discounting tax paid towards education would allow far more people to spend that money where they choose on the education they believe will be best.
So you don't believe in the market sorting out the wheat from the chaff? You believe in subsidies?
Religion was a useful police force before there was a proper police force.
"If you steal we'll put you in prison" was "If you steal my imaginary friend will burn you for eternity"
On the whole, it worked. Then some homophobic mysogenists decided they would add all kinds of rules about where you can and can't put your private bits. Then those enforcing those rules used that very religion to hide behind whilst they forcibly put their private bits in children.
Religionist. Muslim isn't a race.
I will pour myself another and cheers… or as us Turks say yarasin (may it do you good).
I agree with a lot of what you say. The fact that humans are almost certainly causing a mass extinction is beyond shameful. Its a “sin” that we all must bare and it’s disgusting.
in terms of climate change, I’m more optimistic than you, I think that human ingenuity will find away to escape the catastrophe and like predictions of overpopulation in the 1960/70s we will innovate and ‘progress’
I agree with where you feel the uk is heading, and I’m truly saddened by it as despite being second generation I absolutely love this country and all the opportunities it has provided me, and call it my home.
Capitalism doesnt feed off of human nature, it is human nature.
I'm done with the wine for one night so I'll take this up after I'm done practicing for the apocalypse with my son tomorrow.
No, I believe in people paying the government for their form of education or having the choice to use that same money elsewhere on an education they think is better.
The problem with state education is the lack of choice and competition. Allow people to spend that where they like (as long as it's on education).