Rorschach
Sonny Walters
As with all good stories there is a twist at the end. This will be no different.
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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)
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Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Ha, ha ,ha. yep, of course it's all Labour's fault. Love the twisting and turning of the Kool Aid drinkers.Talk about denial of reality.
Parklaner81
Steve Hodge
Wow. Ok...
SpurMeUp
Les Howe
I actually quite like Labours Brexit position. Seems the most sensible and fair. Lib Dems should be picking up a tonne of votes with people viewing Boris and Corbyn as a couple of clowns, but their cancel Brexit policy, whilst it makes sense, is too dramatic? Too much of a U-turn and sellout of the referendum? Or is it? Who would you vote for? Who should I vote for?
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Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
I think Labour's Brexit policy is very clear - act as remainers for a London, Scotland and Bristol audience; act as leavers for the rest of the country.
SpurMeUp
Les Howe
Of course I would need to understand it fully to appreciate it to its fullest
But the premise is alright...Is the danger for old Bojo that once people get Labours fair Brexit approach, and start to understand Corbyn's other ideas, he comes on late again? While the Torys alienate any clear-thinking reasonable people that don't want Brexit? How much is Johnson relying on the LibDems taking away Labour votes?
As for the Labour Brexit policy, I'd be happy as an MP getting behind it. Labour to get the best looking deal for the UK. With everything on the table, clear and transparent, with the people knowing everything, put it to a public ballot. May's deal, Coybyn's deal, No Deal take your pick and remain/leave as a part 1 question (before people whinge).
Is there a fairer more democratic solution to Brexit? I don't think so.
glasgowspur
Luka Modric
Of course I would need to understand it fully to appreciate it to its fullest
Is the danger for old Bojo that once people get Labours fair Brexit approach, and start to understand Corbyn's other ideas, he comes on late again? While the Torys alienate any clear-thinking reasonable people that don't want Brexit? How much is Johnson relying on the LibDems taking away Labour votes?
As for the Labour Brexit policy, I'd be happy as an MP getting behind it. Labour to get the best looking deal for the UK. With everything on the table, clear and transparent, with the people knowing everything, put it to a public ballot. May's deal, Coybyn's deal, No Deal take your pick and remain/leave as a part 1 question (before people whinge).
Is there a fairer more democratic solution to Brexit? I don't think so.
I'd be very wary of anything MPs are willing to get behind, bunch of self serving, nose in the trough, useless tossers.
Parklaner81
Steve Hodge
Unless of course that's any version of leave in any way endorsed by the Conservative party - they couldn't possibly agree to that, no matter what 17.4 million people say.
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Is that not just more kicking the can down the road?
Though the ability to unilaterally withdraw is precisely the sort of clause wanted - but refused - all along.
Though the ability to unilaterally withdraw is precisely the sort of clause wanted - but refused - all along.
Just looks like more of the same old EU ploy of "Here's the exit door, we'll give you the key when we decide we want you to have it"
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Sonny Walters
Rather it gives the people of NI the sole power and means to terminate the backstop, so the 'undemocratic backstop' now becomes the time limited democratic backstop.
Except for the fact that they've now included people who, for entirely sectarian reasons, will never vote against the EU because they would see that as a vote to be British (which they already are).
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
That's the clever bit. It takes away a veto from people who for entirely sectarian reasons, will never vote against the English because they would see that as a vote to be EU (which they already are).
I think the balance is tipping towards a united Ireland actually (sooner the better IMO). When that happens, let those who vote in the manner us normal people do have that vote.That's the clever bit. It takes away a veto from people who for entirely sectarian reasons, will never vote against the English because they would see that as a vote to be EU (which they already are).
Don't let the criminal, enemies of society get involved though.
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
Sort of, though with a super majority safety valve. Will of the people and all that. It also gives Boris and out on NI if he chooses to take it, and he can probably spin it as a win of sorts with a bit of creative thinking.
Won't do him any good. With the DUP (rightly) refusing it as a trap and Labour playing party politics, he won't get it past parliament.
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Sonny Walters
It is. The demographics are trending that way though a NI backstop and an influx of capital into the province if they remain in the SM/CU would put that on the long finger. I always thought the DUP were arguing for their own irrelevancy by pushing for no deal brexit.
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Rorschach
Sonny Walters
Maybe not, but it does solve the NI headache for Boris has so who knows.