Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

By the way as a Police officer we used to lead people away by the arm not by the neck. I would have been disciplined for doing that.
Did it look like she was carrying acid or a chemical agent? I don't think so from the footage.

It could have been in the bag, impossible to judge in a split second. Just as she had the phone in her hand, silver round the edges - easily misunderstood as metal...

You were a police officer, you have been trained - you probably shouldnt expect civies to react in the way you were taught.

I didnt like the way he grabbed her, was messy and rough - but how he marched her out didnt look that bad to me. Particularly as I had read reaction before seeing it for myself, I expected something much worse, more aggressive and violent.

 

[Grays_1890]

I can bet what happened to Field. He was irritated that Green peace had interrupted the meeting which, in itself, is fair enough. But he then showed his irritation by man handling a woman half his size. If it been a 6 ft 3 brute I doubt he would have behaved in the same way. Seen his type many times.

All assumptions rather than fact though, including the drinking part especially as he does not seem drunk on the video and didnt act drunk.

 

[Robspur12]

It could have been in the bag, impossible to judge in a split second. Just as she had the phone in her hand, silver round the edges - easily misunderstood as metal...

You were a police officer, you have been trained - you probably shouldnt expect civies to react in the way you were taught.

I didnt like the way he grabbed her, was messy and rough - but how he marched her out didnt look that bad to me. Particularly as I had read reaction before seeing it for myself, I expected something much worse, more aggressive and violent.

Fair enough.We'll agree to disagree mate.

 

[Robspur12]

All assumptions rather than fact though, including the drinking part especially as he does not seem drunk on the video and didnt act drunk.

Didn't say he was drunk. He clearly was not. But as we are aware there is quite a wide spectrum between sober and drunk.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

Fair enough.We'll agree to disagree mate.

I completely understand the "never touch a woman" impulse.

I also completely understand being a policeman you have a degree of experience (and training) informing you.

I do think though that in this case you are wrong, and of course accept your mind doesnt seem for changing on this one.

She instigated the whole situation, and the result is on her. Field had the decision to stop the "attacker" or let them by. I dont blame him for his actions at all.

 

[glasgowspur]

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It's not the first time you are abrupt with your posts. You're right you can say what you like, no one stops you. But in real life people tend to be more careful how they say things that they might get away with on the internet.

Anyway apologies if I offended.

It's not abrupt, it's concise.
One liners as it were, poking fun at the stupidity of it all.

Don't worry I don't get offended online, as either it's not worth it or, as it looks like here it's a misunderstanding.

 

[Robspur12]

It's not abrupt, it's concise.
One liners as it were, poking fun at the stupidity of it all.

Don't worry I don't get offended online, as either it's not worth it or, as it looks like here it's a misunderstanding.

No worries mate.

 

[Grays_1890]

Didn't say he was drunk. He clearly was not. But as we are aware there is quite a wide spectrum between sober and drunk.

Of course but suggesting he had a drink would mean you are suggesting his actions were effected by drink, where as in my opinion he ejected someone that should have been rightly ejected.

The level of force is debatable in my opinion because from where it should have been in your eyes to where it was is marginal.

I respect Greenpeace and I respect peoples right to protest but like milkshake thrower, person that stick themselves to a tube and party that invades a dinner you have to accept something for your actions and no that does not mean I accept violence on women, but this was not violence in my opinion.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Call security. There was no threat. We don't live in a world where we can behave as we please. She shouldn't be there absolutely right. But he shouldn't man handle her.

Why didn't Jo Cox call security?

You react to things like that in fractions of seconds. If he saw something shiny in her hand, a fight (disable and restrain) or flight instinct is quite natural.

 

[glasgowspur]

No worries mate.

Humour is often lost online, which is a pity because I'm real laugh

 

[Grays_1890]

You react to things like that in fractions of seconds. If he saw something shiny in her hand, a fight (disable and restrain) or flight instinct is quite natural.

This is where I stand on it regardless

In life when you do things like she did you risk access in your head whats the worse that can happen, whats the outcome of my actions should I do it, we all do it day to day, like if you skip paying for the train you know its a £20 fine etc. She had the luxury of deciding what would be the outcome of her actions, the bloek who only had time to react didn't have the time to and unlike police is not trained or given lessons drummed into his skull on it.

So to expect someone to react in a way that defies the situation is utterly stupid, like he had the same time she had to weigh it up, like the silly comments I have seen today about would he do it if it was a woman, like he was the woman making a preemptive strike. And lets not make out that she was just some innocent woman there for a tea party when the rest of her party were already in the room and sounding off a horn.

People live in the real world until they judge things retrospectively then its silly season.

 

[Robspur12]

Of course but suggesting he had a drink would mean you are suggesting his actions were effected by drink, where as in my opinion he ejected someone that should have been rightly ejected.

The level of force is debatable in my opinion because from where it should have been in your eyes to where it was is marginal.

I respect Greenpeace and I respect peoples right to protest but like milkshake thrower, person that stick themselves to a tube and party that invades a dinner you have to accept something for your actions and no that does not mean I accept violence on women, but this was not violence in my opinion.

Fair enough mate.

 

[Grays_1890]

She wasn't just randomly walking the street and was attacked either like the reaction sounds like. The fact she was there is a sign of intent or why be there? Her actions created a reaction, her actions, not the other way. The way Greenpeace operate with lack of funds, perfect PR for them

 

[parklane1]

Talk about making mountains out of molehills!!!!!! She had no right to be there and could have been carrying anything with her. Jesus there are so many lightweights about in todays world, what's that old saying ' if you can not do the time do not do the crime".

She was out of order and as far as i understand she had no right to be there, so any sympathy is wasted on her ( imo).

 

[Grays_1890]

Talk about making mountains out of molehills!!!!!! She had no right to be there and could have been carrying anything with her. Jesus there are so many lightweights about in todays world, what's that old saying ' if you can not do the time do not do the crime".

She was out of order and as far as i understand she had no right to be there, so any sympathy is wasted on her ( imo).

Any wonder in a life where machete wielding nutters from Croydon get suspended sentences and known drug dealers from Essex get curfews?

One of the major issues we have on stuff like this is the soft approach to crime.

 

[parklane1]

Any wonder in a life where machete wielding nutters from Croydon get suspended sentences and known drug dealers from Essex get curfews?

One of the major issues we have on stuff like this is the soft approach to crime.

i do agree, the Country has gone soft and allowed all sorts arseholes to get away with all sorts of brick. To many social workers and soft judges.

 

[AuroRaman]

Greenpeace schmemespeesh.

Sea Shepherd. They're my kind of people. fudging baddass.

 

[SpurMeUp]

To those that support this MPs actions, a few Questions:

- would you yourself handle a women like that in a similar situation or would you take a little more care and restraint?

- would you sanction someone doing that to you if you were protesting?

- should public servants, representatives of the people, be free to be aggressors and throw their weight around?

- had the protestor been bigger, stronger and male do you think this MP would have used the same force and aggression?

I’m ashamed at most of you. What happened to British gentlemen?



Sitting on my porcelain throne using glory-glory.co.uk mobile app

 

[scaramanga]

To those that support this MPs actions, a few Questions:

- would you yourself handle a women like that in a similar situation or would you take a little more care and restraint?

No. I'd use more restraint, but I don't expect others to be capable of everything I am.

- would you sanction someone doing that to you if you were protesting?

Absolutely.

- should public servants, representatives of the people, be free to be aggressors and throw their weight around?

Against trespassers? Absolutely.

- had the protestor been bigger, stronger and male do you think this MP would have used the same force and aggression?

Don't care.

 

[Robspur12]

i do agree, the Country has gone soft and allowed all sorts arseholes to get away with all sorts of brick. To many social workers and soft judges.

Yes I much preferred it when violence and bullying women was more widespread and hushed up, and abusing children was just seen as something of a rite of passage. Unsurprisingly most of the opinions on here are from men.

We have come a long way from a time when bullying women was acceptable I for one am glad about that. Society is better when people respect each other.