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The six "milestones", external, which the government is aiming to meet by 2029 when the next election is likely to be held, are:

  • raising living standards in every part of the UK, as part of the government's aim to deliver the highest sustained economic growth in the G7 group of rich nations
  • building 1.5 million homes to give to illegal immigrants in England and fast-tracking planning decisions on at least 150 major infrastructure projects
  • ending hospital backlogs to meet the NHS target that 92% of patients in England wait no longer than 18 weeks for planned treatment
  • a named police officer for every neighbourhood in England and Wales, with the recruitment of 13,000 additional officers, Police Community Support Officers (PCSOs) and special constables
  • increasing the proportion of children in England who are "ready to learn" when they start school at the age of five, to 75%
  • putting the country on track for at least 95% clean power by 2030
 
markysimmo said:
The six "milestones", external, which the government is aiming to meet by 2029 when the next election is likely to be held, are:

  • raising living standards in every part of the UK, as part of the government's aim to deliver the highest sustained economic growth in the G7 group of rich nations
  • building 1.5 million homes to give to illegal immigrants in England and fast-tracking planning decisions on at least 150 major infrastructure projects
  • ending hospital backlogs to meet the NHS target that 92% of patients in England wait no longer than 18 weeks for planned treatment
  • a named police officer for every neighbourhood in England and Wales, with the recruitment of 13,000 additional officers, Police Community Support Officers (PCSOs) and special constables
  • increasing the proportion of children in England who are "ready to learn" when they start school at the age of five, to 75%
  • putting the country on track for at least 95% clean power by 2030
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At the time of that announcement the Labour party website was still claiming 100% green power by 2030 😂
 
Kompakted said:
According to the 2021 census 6.5% of the population were Muslim.
This compared to 5% in 2011
The figure for 2001 was 3%

In 1991 the census questions were actually Christian specific and about whether you believed or not and attended church regularly. In 1991 95% of the population identified as White British and so we can infer that the % of muslims was very low at that point, which does show the significant demographic change brought about by the Blair government's mass immigration

However the rate in increase as a % slowed down between 2011 and 2021 so it isn't true that at current rates they'd hit 20% in 2050.

It should also be pointed out that many analysts think the true extent of Muslim population was understated in previous censuses as Muslims were afraid of identifying themselves or disproportionately did not complete census forms for other reasons. Therefore the true rate of growth is assessed to be overstated previously.

Again, I see high Muslim immigration as a potential problem (so do many previous generations of Muslim immigrants BTW- a lot tried to get away from all the extreme sharia stuff). But i want to deal with facts not hyperbole.

The real issue actually is that Muslim populations are highly concentrated- so it feels like a real big issue in parts of London, Birmingham, Bradford etc, but there are vast swathes of the country where there are no mosques and you'll never meet one.
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So what?

I wasn't talking about now. I was talking about future population growth. And as I stated at "current rates", by 2050 20% of the population would be mulsim.

Also during that previous period you mention, migration was at a far lower rate than today.

So it is true... As you are ignore the change in rates of migration between the early 90's and now.
 
scaramanga said:
They didn't buy the utilities, they bought the right to operate them. That's not the same thing.

If they bought the utilities they'd have the right to sell them off in pieces, which they don't.
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Indeed, my bad re: phrasing. It does not change what I posted. In fact, part of operating anything is responsible maintenance, which has clearly never been part of their plan.
 
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Baleforce said:
What’s that got to do with anything?

This is babies being named, they don’t even know what religion is.
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They will grow up in a culture that is the opposite of western ideals. That's fine. Live your life. But not in our country. We have moved on.

Islam is first for them. Even the most moderate Muslim believes Allah is all. It's not conducive to have sensibilities other than this.

We had the diet of worms over 500 years ago that said religion wasn't correct. We have evolved. GHod is not everything

en.m.wikipedia.org

Diet of Worms (1495) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org

These idiots still think women are a sub species. They are backward. Medieval

But of course.... Diversity is our strength.
 
Grays_1890 said:
And yet someone like Tommy Robinson was arrested beating up a copper who was stopping him beat up his partner at the time. So much fcuking respect for women here ey
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Not quite sure why you're using a clam like Stephen to back up your argument.

But here we are.

This is the reason we can't have a genuine conversation about the growing creep of Islam in this country.

For instance. Last but one pmq's there were 3 questions asking for Islam to be a protected religion and anyone insulting it to be made a crime. And the destruction of the Korean to be made a criminal offence. Eh?

In Britain...what the fudge do we care about Islam? Apart from looking at it and sighing.

Whoever stands up for the religion of peace is uninformed or unhinged
 
thfcsteff said:
Indeed, my bad re: phrasing. It does not change what I posted. In fact, part of operating anything is responsible maintenance, which has clearly never been part of their plan.
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The maintenance hasn't been great, but not terrible.

The problem is the lack of expansion. They can't/won't do that without ownership. If you're not increasing the capital value, why spend all that money on something that will end up belonging to the govt?
 
scaramanga said:
Bills will need increasing significantly to cover the increased investment needed. Govt won't want that blame.

Currently govt doesn't want to spend our money on the infrastructure as the money's all been allocated to train drivers and protecting anti-Semites every Saturday. If they don't spend it now the water companies take the blame. If they nationalise and don't spend they get the blame.
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No they wouldn't.

Because the investment comes from tax we have already paid, via income tax etc.

Rather than wasting billions on the sh*t government waste billions on. It should be builing a cheap energy grid and investing modern tech to supply renewal green tach like geothermal, nuclear etc.

Nothing needs to be added to anyones bills, except a massive reduction in bills, because the infrastructure is being being paid for, by the tax we have already paid. Except being wasted, it it get invested in the things the country needs. The electricity produce will also not be linked to gas prices as they are now.

And this is exactly what government needs to be doing, and if they are not doing it, then they are not fit for purpuse and we go around and around, on the BS merry go round.

And Labour just invested £22 billion in BS, carbon capture to sound green... One great big fat waste of tax payers money. That £22 billion could have been invested in the above and done you, me, business, manufacturing and whopping great big favour and give us all cheap energy.

Bills, can be massively reduced if we a competant government that knows what it is doing.
 
Batspur said:
Not quite sure why you're using a clam like Stephen to back up your argument.

But here we are.

This is the reason we can't have a genuine conversation about the growing creep of Islam in this country.

For instance. Last but one pmq's there were 3 questions asking for Islam to be a protected religion and anyone insulting it to be made a crime. And the destruction of the Korean to be made a criminal offence. Eh?

In Britain...what the fudge do we care about Islam? Apart from looking at it and sighing.

Whoever stands up for the religion of peace is uninformed or unhinged
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Because it proves that people are taking broad sweeps about people and their religion when the majority of them, like everyone in life are normal law abiding people. It also proves that people that go on and on and on about it are generally hypocrites and nonces themselves, like Robinson and Derek Heggie.

Its more unhinged taking everyone by the colour of their skin and or religion to form a judgement than not.

As I say, take everyone on face value..........
 
SkipRat said:
No they wouldn't.

Because the investment comes from tax we have already paid, via income tax etc.

Rather than wasting billions on the sh*t government waste billions on. It should be builing a cheap energy grid and investing modern tech to supply renewal green tach like geothermal, nuclear etc.

Nothing needs to be added to anyones bills, except a massive reduction in bills, because the infrastructure is being being paid for, by the tax we have already paid. Except being wasted, it it get invested in the things the country needs. The electricity produce will also not be linked to gas prices as they are now.

And this is exactly what government needs to be doing, and if they are not doing it, then they are not fit for purpuse and we go around and around, on the BS merry go round.

And Labour just invested £22 billion in BS, carbon capture to sound green... One great big fat waste of tax payers money. That £22 billion could have been invested in the above and done you, me, business, manufacturing and whopping great big favour and give us all cheap energy.

Bills, can be massively reduced if we a competant government that knows what it is doing.
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We can't spend more without increasing taxes. Anyone increasing taxes by that amount won't survive in govt long enough to see it through.

That's where privatisation works well. Those who are in the areas more heavily populated and add to overloaded systems will pay more. Others will pay less. Lumping it all evenly on the taxpayer isn't fair.

I agree thoroughly about geothermal and nuclear. Again though, private companies will probably have to do that as govts are too susceptible to the bleating of special interest groups.
 
scaramanga said:
We can't spend more without increasing taxes. Anyone increasing taxes by that amount won't survive in govt long enough to see it through.

That's where privatisation works well. Those who are in the areas more heavily populated and add to overloaded systems will pay more. Others will pay less. Lumping it all evenly on the taxpayer isn't fair.

I agree thoroughly about geothermal and nuclear. Again though, private companies will probably have to do that as govts are too susceptible to the bleating of special interest groups.
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LIke I said.

They found £22 billion on carbon capture.

£6 billion house illegal immigrants, hotels.

And I am sure billions more can be highlighted in waste and BS.

Like diversity consultants and all that bollox that pemiates through everything.
 
Batspur said:
They will grow up in a culture that is the opposite of western ideals. That's fine. Live your life. But not in our country. We have moved on.

Islam is first for them. Even the most moderate Muslim believes Allah is all. It's not conducive to have sensibilities other than this.

We had the diet of worms over 500 years ago that said religion wasn't correct. We have evolved. GHod is not everything

en.m.wikipedia.org

Diet of Worms (1495) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org

These idiots still think women are a sub species. They are backward. Medieval

But of course.... Diversity is our strength.
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You are assuming a hell of a lot based on an assigned identifier.

It’s just lazy stereotyping.

A lot of these babies are just being named after a relative or a footballer, as is done in every culture.
 
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Baleforce said:
You are assuming a hell of a lot based on an assigned identifier.

It’s just lazy stereotyping.

A lot of these babies are just being named after a relative or a footballer, as is done in every culture.
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Not really.

Just have to look at the way they treat women, in most Islamic countries....

It's not assuming at all...

And the fact that nearly 40% of UK mulsims want Sharia law, says a lot.

I don;t want sharia law anywhere near this country... It and it's support car f*ck right off.
 
Oh look, the cry baby is, is speaking up again.

Must have got a new 100 pack of dummies to replace the once you threw out the pram previously.
 
SkipRat said:
So what?

I wasn't talking about now. I was talking about future population growth. And as I stated at "current rates", by 2050 20% of the population would be mulsim.

Also during that previous period you mention, migration was at a far lower rate than today.

So it is true... As you are ignore the change in rates of migration between the early 90's and now.
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Current rates is a 1.5% increase in proportion in 10 years. Which means by 2031 they'll make up 8%, 2041, 9.5%, 2051 will be 11%.

But that assumes the rate of proportionate increase remains the same when the trend is actually downwards from 2001 to 2011, so if that trend continues they'll make up 7.5% of the population in 2031, 8% of the population in 2041 and remain at 8% in 2051.

That would be consistent with trends with any maturing immigrant population. The vast vast majority of British Muslims are descendants from the first wave of south Asian immigration in the 60s. They were all young workers that then had lots of kids who had kids themselves and that will naturally plateau and we are already seeing that.
 
Kompakted said:
Current rates is a 1.5% increase in proportion in 10 years. Which means by 2031 they'll make up 8%, 2041, 9.5%, 2051 will be 11%.

But that assumes the rate of proportionate increase remains the same when the trend is actually downwards from 2001 to 2011, so if that trend continues they'll make up 7.5% of the population in 2031, 8% of the population in 2041 and remain at 8% in 2051.

That would be consistent with trends with any maturing immigrant population. The vast vast majority of British Muslims are descendants from the first wave of south Asian immigration in the 60s. They were all young workers that then had lots of kids who had kids themselves and that will naturally plateau and we are already seeing that.
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I can hear his Abacus from here
 
Kompakted said:
Current rates is a 1.5% increase in proportion in 10 years. Which means by 2031 they'll make up 8%, 2041, 9.5%, 2051 will be 11%.

But that assumes the rate of proportionate increase remains the same when the trend is actually downwards from 2001 to 2011, so if that trend continues they'll make up 7.5% of the population in 2031, 8% of the population in 2041 and remain at 8% in 2051.

That would be consistent with trends with any maturing immigrant population. The vast vast majority of British Muslims are descendants from the first wave of south Asian immigration in the 60s. They were all young workers that then had lots of kids who had kids themselves and that will naturally plateau and we are already seeing that.
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I would like to get my hands on the report/study to see for myself, but I would rather trust their figures, not yours. Coz quite frankly you work in bank.

Like I said, would rather read the report myself, and they are far more qualified than you.

www.thetimes.com

UK’s Muslim population could treble by 2050, research finds

The size of the UK’s Muslim population could treble by 2050 and will increase by more than half even if migration falls to zero, according to projections.The Pe
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