DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
Bugger, just wrote quite a long response to this on my phone that somehow disappeared, so my reply now may not be as good.
What I wanted to say was that I still don't believe this was some Big Sam master class. He probably can't believe his luck that we were so bad. To throw it back over to you, I think the fact that they had more shots than us and won 3-0 shows more that this result was such a freak, no way did they play for that. They sat back, packed the middle and hit us on the break. In a sense they tried exactly what Norwich did here but in that game we overran Norwich. Because those kind of tactics are risky in themselves. You sit back, you allow our good players to play near your box and if we score you have spent the whole game not trying to score and now have to come at us, allowing us to pick you off. 90% of teams will play the way Big Sam did today, and 70-80% of the time we will break it down.
Today I don't think it was a problem that he picked Defoe - if he had scored everyone would have been crowing about what good man management it was to give Defoe the nod, such is the world of football where there are no absolutes and perfectly reasonable decisions will get lambasted if the result isn't gained. It wasn't even a problem with the defence, or the midfield, it was that the whole team just was not bang at it. They were complacent, they thought everything would fall into place for them eventually and everything had gone a little too well for this new squad since it had been assembled. So in a way, I'm glad this result has happened to allow us to iron out some kinks, and iron out the mentality. Because despite players saying otherwise, I think they had bought into the hype a little and it's got them today. It's happened early in the season so we can hopefully push on from now, rather than have it happen in Spring and have it kick start our annual collapse.
What I will say though is that I think we actually got results last year and played worse (and we were utterly terrible today, which shows you how bad we played last year). But I think the difference was last year AVB was managing for the result, and would make bigger adjustments to say the shape or defensive line to see us through. But this year I think he backs the system over the result in itself, and believes it we rely on the system consistency will follow.
I think Walker being injured lead to complacency spreading throughout the rest of the team. They saw he wasn't bang at it and I think it affected them too. Of course there was also the fact that he couldn't then provide the width as well as he does, leaving it all on Naughton (who I don't think he anywhere near as bad as people think). Maybe we could have changed the system, but to what? Townsend on the left? We've seen plenty of games where Bale and Lennon on their natural flanks have been easily marked out of matches, and having all our width through Townsend would have seen that near certainly happen IMO.
We showed flickers of what we could do in the first 50/60 minutes which follows the pattern of a lot of games, only when we've gone on to get the goal. This time it all went wrong. But I'm not worried. This was a nice wake up call and we are a still a quality side.
Well, let me pick up on a few of your points. Firstly, I don't think I've ever seen seven men arrayed in one defensive line, with five of those men camped in the penalty area while the other two defend determinedly out wide. And, having seen that in this game, I could then scarcely believe that there were two more Spam players patrolling the area in front of the back seven, choking off all play in the middle and forcing us out wide. That was deliberate: Fat Sam basically forced us to cross it in or use our wig-backs to create a 2-on-1 overload.
Only, he knew that we had no wing-backs today, and that we would play one of Defoe or Soldado, neither of which are particularly good in the air. So by forcing our inside forwards to act like wingers pinging crosses into the box, he in effect made us give West Ham possession over and over, since no one in our side could win a header if their lives depended on it, Daws and Verts included judging by what just happened.
Those are not the actions of some random fly-by-night manager relying on luck and a clean sheet. Those are all tactical tweaks that, when combined, utterly destroyed us. It took them sixty minutes to get it completely right (we often overloaded them 3-on-2 in front of their wall of seven, which led to the profusion of long-range Paulinho and Townsend shots), but once they did they steamrollered any opposition AVB could muster.
Secondly, Walker's injury led to complacency in the rest of the team. Well, in that case, AVB bears even more of the responsibility, not less. He bought these players. He picked this side. But he couldn't tell them to ****ing focus in a London ****ing derby? Could he not communicate to them how important these things are to the fans, regardless of whatever delusions of ****ing grandeur these overpaid arses possessed? Could he not point out that our hubris had already seen us lose 1-0 to an Arsenal side that did much the same thing West Ham ended up doing?
He bought this side, and he picked this side. Any lapses in concentration, any flaws of character, any laziness, any complacency, any laid-back attitudes, can be traced back to him for buying these damn players in the first place, instead of more mentally steely ones. And the reason I'm more angry about this than I otherwise would be is because if these lads think a London derby is the time to become complacent, weak and unfocused, and subsequently, if these lads cannot rouse themselves from their slumber when facing a West Ham side who embarassed them in terms of work-rate, commitment and desire....then there are serious mental and motivational problems among them that run deeper than just this match alone. And though our squad may be the most technically proficient I've seen in my time supporting this club, if they truly grew complacent before a London derby at home, then that proficiency doesn't count for a single thing, because far greater problems lie beneath this surface of apparently boundless squad depth. Squad depth doesn't mean much if everyone is equally unmotivated, lazy or complacent. And though we are indeed a quality side, what will that count for if these lads end up bottling it again because they grow complacent too easily, or give up too easily, or become lazy too quickly? Not a damn thing.
I said at the end of last season that we would need to become mentally resilient, fearless, angry, and above all endlessly hungry for the win, hungry for three points, hungry for success. Only then would we get anywhere. And if it turns out that Walker's injury led to 'complacency', then we have done none of those things and are as weak as we were last season, relying on a Bale that now isn't there to see us through. And either way, that is AVB's fault. He bought these lads. He could not motivate them.
Allardyce bought his own lads too. But he motivated them. They fought like tigers, while we folded like kittens. What does that say about Allardyce versus AVB?