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***OMT TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR v nottingham forest***

fernadez said:
What's this I'm reading about Forest managing the game and the scoreline? Controversial.
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I get the anger in here right now, but truthfully, I cannot remember the last manager to consistently have us managing 1-0 scorelines. In fact, in my many decades supporting this club, I only remember employees of that methodology unable to bleed it into our side - whoever was playing.
 
Baleforce said:
I'm not sure they ever did.

Today was a typical Spurs under Ange performance, we've seen it 40 odd times in the last year.

Unable to penetrate, too many turnovers, easy to get in behind.
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I think they did when we were winning.
And probably with a similar hope and optimism as most of us - sprinkled with skepticism, but how amazing would it be to be part of a new footballing style that's dynamic, exciting, free flowing....
 
thfcsteff said:
Hahahaha...sensitive!!!! Say WTF you like, I just asked a question, because, well, haven't seen you here for a while LOL...no mate, seriously, have at it, fill your boots ;)
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I will keep it nice and non-agressive but I cannot promise it will all be positive!

I just saw no fighting today and terrible decision making. Now is that on the players, manager or both?

Also, serious question to all. But how long do you give Ange, another loss to Wolves, another loss to Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Goons etc. Or just game by game?

I honestly dont know if sacking him or keeping him is correct or wrong, but the effort looks crap out there.
 
monkeybarry said:
So you really were just conjuring up and excuse.
That surprised me.

Check out the interview.
Gotta admit, he looked defeated.
We've all watched football for a very long time - he looked like a man that's either lost the dressing room or isn't quite sure where to go from here. There was no fight left - it's a tough watch.
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I wasn’t making an excuse
I can’t see how they aren’t knackered
And I think Ange will deflect that on
I didn’t known you was quoting his post match
 
thfcsteff said:
I get the anger in here right now, but truthfully, I cannot remember the last manager to consistently have us managing 1-0 scorelines. In fact, in my many decades supporting this club, I only remember employees of that methodology unable to bleed it into our side - whoever was playing.
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I agree with that, I think that we could be doing much better in terms of in game management though, especially committing men to attack and to the press.
 
monkeybarry said:
So you really were just conjuring up and excuse.
That surprised me.

Check out the interview.
Gotta admit, he looked defeated.
We've all watched football for a very long time - he looked like a man that's either lost the dressing room or isn't quite sure where to go from here. There was no fight left - it's a tough watch.
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I don’t think he has a colour what to do next vs wolves he may be without Dragu and Spence is suspended
 
Daveeeeeeeed said:
I will keep it nice and non-agressive but I cannot promise it will all be positive!

I just saw no fighting today and terrible decision making. Now is that on the players, manager or both?

Also, serious question to all. But how long do you give Ange, another loss to Wolves, another loss to Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Goons etc. Or just game by game?

I honestly dont know if sacking him or keeping him is correct or wrong, but the effort looks crap out there.
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I think that depends on Munn to be fair. We know Levy's behaviour, but he is supposed have vacated the ops role. It really comes down to whether Munn (with Lange in his ear) thinks Ange is assimilating well enough to the Prem. Interestingly, it might be Lange that is pointing out to Munn some flaws with Ange.

I actually don't think Ange is going to ride this storm out. He's not being practical enough.
 
Daveeeeeeeed said:
I will keep it nice and non-agressive but I cannot promise it will all be positive!

I just saw no fighting today and terrible decision making. Now is that on the players, manager or both?

Also, serious question to all. But how long do you give Ange, another loss to Wolves, another loss to Saudi Sportswashing Machine, Goons etc. Or just game by game?

I honestly dont know if sacking him or keeping him is correct or wrong, but the effort looks crap out there.
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I believe we are paying for key injuries in key areas, not to mention general injuries in the squad sense. It has left us unable to rotate players, and given the last two games in terms of energy, I think we saw a tired side trying to break down 10 men behind the ball. Nothing much more radical than that.

No-one knows the right answer to whether he should be trusted and given time to work with a fuller complement of fit players, it comes down to opinions I suppose.

Mine is to stick through this season at least. The reality is that I am not sure he will get that time if the pressure keeps building OR if the players decide they've had enough. If the latter happens then he is gone, and would probably have to go. If we get too flirty with the bottom three that would cause him departures for sure (albeit I do not see that happening).
 
thfcsteff said:
I get the anger in here right now, but truthfully, I cannot remember the last manager to consistently have us managing 1-0 scorelines. In fact, in my many decades supporting this club, I only remember employees of that methodology unable to bleed it into our side - whoever was playing.
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Pretty much. Graham failed at it. AVB failed at it when Bale left. Mourinho failed at it. Nuno managed it for a bit, then failed at it. Conte failed at it.

Ironically, the person who got closest to it was Redknapp, in 2008-2009 - I remember a lot of tight games where our defense was rock solid and helped us win through sheer attrition. That Ledley-Woodgate pairing was a monster that season, with Palacios a machine in front of them and Modric doing sterling work down the left. Second after him was Jol. Third was AVB in the 12-13 season, when he had Bale to give him a worldie every game.

But in general, under ENIC, we get these delusions of grandeur and insist on flowing football with the utterly mediocre players ENIC are content to buy, leading to predictable spells of embarrassment with the brief highlight now and then.
 
Muttley said:
I think that depends on Munn to be fair. We know Levy's behaviour, but he is supposed have vacated the ops role. It really comes down to whether Munn (with Lange in his ear) thinks Ange is assimilating well enough to the Prem. Interestingly, it might be Lange that is pointing out to Munn some flaws with Ange.

I actually don't think Ange is going to ride this storm out. He's not being practical enough.
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Trust me on this if nothing else. If Levy feels the knives are out for him too much, he will act. Munn and Lange are still working under him. I agree, it should not be that way given the structure, but I simply do not believe it is any other way. In fact, Daniel has an extra couple of layers of indemnity there, as those two WILL be the ones to carry it out if it happens...
 
Bedfordspurs said:
I wasn’t making an excuse
I can’t see how they aren’t knackered
And I think Ange will deflect that on
I didn’t known you was quoting his post match
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I said "Ange has just said we're not struggling with energy".
Watch the interview. Ange made a point that we needed to show energy today and didn't get it.

If you are correct and the players are knackered, then Ange either doesn't see it and asking a knackered group of players to play high tempo; see's it and is ignoring it - because he has no other ideas; or they aren't knackered, just not playing for him.
 
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