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Official - Holtby
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Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
Re: *Official* Holtby to join in July thread
Is completely different. Due to the pre-season training and games he's given more time to gel with his team-mates and get to know them in addition to adapting to life in London.
Therefore much more likely to succeed early on if bought in summer than if bought now. And succeeding early on gives the player confidence, which means he plays more freely.. etc.
Is completely different. Due to the pre-season training and games he's given more time to gel with his team-mates and get to know them in addition to adapting to life in London.
Therefore much more likely to succeed early on if bought in summer than if bought now. And succeeding early on gives the player confidence, which means he plays more freely.. etc.
SlumDilla
Michael Brown
Re: *Official* Holtby to join in July thread
But we all agree that we need to buy a player this january, so why wouldn't the same issue plague any player we do buy in january? So we shouldn't buy any players for fear that they will not adapt now? Gylfi had a full pre-season with us and still hasn't fully adjusted, Clint barely had a pre-season at all and has shown some class. Honestly there are no guarantees that Lewis will perform any better in July than January.
But we all agree that we need to buy a player this january, so why wouldn't the same issue plague any player we do buy in january? So we shouldn't buy any players for fear that they will not adapt now? Gylfi had a full pre-season with us and still hasn't fully adjusted, Clint barely had a pre-season at all and has shown some class. Honestly there are no guarantees that Lewis will perform any better in July than January.
Re: *Official* Holtby to join in July thread
If we were to sign him now he might have adjusted by the time pre-season comes around, ready to hit the ground running in August, instead of attempting to adapt through friendlies against weaker/different opposition to those faced in the PL. It seems like his style would suit our league, so introducing him slowly in cup games and through sub appearances for Dembele (we need someone to fill in for him effectively) could get him up to speed for what will most probably be a very important run-in where missing the Mouss may be critical to our chances of 4th or even 3rd.
If we were to sign him now he might have adjusted by the time pre-season comes around, ready to hit the ground running in August, instead of attempting to adapt through friendlies against weaker/different opposition to those faced in the PL. It seems like his style would suit our league, so introducing him slowly in cup games and through sub appearances for Dembele (we need someone to fill in for him effectively) could get him up to speed for what will most probably be a very important run-in where missing the Mouss may be critical to our chances of 4th or even 3rd.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Re: *Official* Holtby to join in July thread
There's always a risk that a player signed in January won't adapt, as there is with players signed in the summer, but probably slightly increased risk.
Germany have a winter break and he has probably been training well during that, so physically it shouldn't be a problem.
Also it's not like we desperately need him to come in and save our season from game one. We have a very good side and can bed him in slowly, like AVB did with Lloris who also got no pre-season with us.
There's always a risk that a player signed in January won't adapt, as there is with players signed in the summer, but probably slightly increased risk.
Germany have a winter break and he has probably been training well during that, so physically it shouldn't be a problem.
Also it's not like we desperately need him to come in and save our season from game one. We have a very good side and can bed him in slowly, like AVB did with Lloris who also got no pre-season with us.
metalgear
Luka Modric
Re: *Official* Holtby to join in July thread
avb has shown good judgement in getting players to settle. all the new players are playing at full tilt already, including sigurdson, who has had greater involvement than thudd or livermore already.
i'd think the more important thing is to sell a player or two to ensure that it isn't too crowded when he arrives.
avb has shown good judgement in getting players to settle. all the new players are playing at full tilt already, including sigurdson, who has had greater involvement than thudd or livermore already.
i'd think the more important thing is to sell a player or two to ensure that it isn't too crowded when he arrives.
Re: *Official* Holtby to join in July thread
AVB has intergrated Sigurdson, Dembele, Dempsey and Lloris with very little fuss or drama and I feel this has been overlooked, other than the press making a big deal out of the Brad situation AVB has handled everything seamlessly.
AVB has intergrated Sigurdson, Dembele, Dempsey and Lloris with very little fuss or drama and I feel this has been overlooked, other than the press making a big deal out of the Brad situation AVB has handled everything seamlessly.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Re: *Official* Holtby to join in July thread
To be fair both Dempsey and Sig struggled for quite a bit, but the injury to Ade didn't help because that meant that out of our 4 options for those two forward positions one was injured and two were lacking form at the same time so one of them had to play. I thought AVB did well, but there was some fuss and drama, quite a few fans on here at least had turned on Dempsey and it seemed like it wasn't far away that the fans would turn on him during the games as well.
To be fair both Dempsey and Sig struggled for quite a bit, but the injury to Ade didn't help because that meant that out of our 4 options for those two forward positions one was injured and two were lacking form at the same time so one of them had to play. I thought AVB did well, but there was some fuss and drama, quite a few fans on here at least had turned on Dempsey and it seemed like it wasn't far away that the fans would turn on him during the games as well.
Kingdawson
Banned
Re: *Official* Holtby to join in July thread
Tottenham's move for Schalke midfielder Lewis Holtby could be brought forward if terms can be agreed on a transfer fee.
Holtby confirmed late last week that he was leaving the German side and would be joining Spurs at the end of the season when his contract expires.
But that deal could now happen in the January transfer window if Tottenham come up with a fee believed to be £1.6m.
Schalke's managing director Horst Heldt said: "If Tottenham ask for Holtby in the January window, we will talk to them about it.
"Nothing has happened yet, but, from our point of view, we are prepared to speak to them.
"It would have to be done quickly, because we would have to find a replacement for him."
Looks like theres a good chance we'll be seeing him in January.
Tottenham's move for Schalke midfielder Lewis Holtby could be brought forward if terms can be agreed on a transfer fee.
Holtby confirmed late last week that he was leaving the German side and would be joining Spurs at the end of the season when his contract expires.
But that deal could now happen in the January transfer window if Tottenham come up with a fee believed to be £1.6m.
Schalke's managing director Horst Heldt said: "If Tottenham ask for Holtby in the January window, we will talk to them about it.
"Nothing has happened yet, but, from our point of view, we are prepared to speak to them.
"It would have to be done quickly, because we would have to find a replacement for him."
Looks like theres a good chance we'll be seeing him in January.
Re: *Official* Holtby to join in July thread
I sometimes think that peoples expectations are too high, new manager, new players, third in the league after Xmas, happy bloody days, also the best thing of all is that we have massive potential in this current squad, its a great time to be a Spurs supporter.
I sometimes think that peoples expectations are too high, new manager, new players, third in the league after Xmas, happy bloody days, also the best thing of all is that we have massive potential in this current squad, its a great time to be a Spurs supporter.
jts1882
Dean Richards
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
BedfordBen
Michael Brown
Re: *Official* Holtby to join in July thread
Is it worth £1.6mill to have him 6 months early? Our midfield is pretty settled at the moment so I can't see him coming straight in, and I think it'd probably be better for him to have a preseason to gel with the team first anyway...
Is it worth £1.6mill to have him 6 months early? Our midfield is pretty settled at the moment so I can't see him coming straight in, and I think it'd probably be better for him to have a preseason to gel with the team first anyway...
Spursalot
Jimmy McCormick
Re: *Official* Holtby to join in July thread
No, not in Midfield we don't.
In Sandro and Dembele we have a partnership that is improving and having a devastating effect upon games.
I wouldn't put Holtby in for either of them.
Now if you said we needed to buy a striker or a backup for our wingers then i'd be right behind you.
As for Gylfi i think he's currently playing very well, so i would say yes, he has adjusted. The problem has been that he plays mainly as an AM and we have been using two out and out strikers, which means the only place for an AM is on the Bench. Especially as his secondary position seems to be LM and we have Bale there.
And no there are no guarantees. However the chances to impress are higher given a full pre-season, due to the points that have already been made.
No, not in Midfield we don't.
In Sandro and Dembele we have a partnership that is improving and having a devastating effect upon games.
I wouldn't put Holtby in for either of them.
Now if you said we needed to buy a striker or a backup for our wingers then i'd be right behind you.
As for Gylfi i think he's currently playing very well, so i would say yes, he has adjusted. The problem has been that he plays mainly as an AM and we have been using two out and out strikers, which means the only place for an AM is on the Bench. Especially as his secondary position seems to be LM and we have Bale there.
And no there are no guarantees. However the chances to impress are higher given a full pre-season, due to the points that have already been made.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
Re: *Official* Holtby to join in July thread
For me, short answer: Yes, without a doubt.
Somewhat longer answer:
We're already going to pay him somewhere in the region of £50k p/w and probably a decent sign on fee/loyalty bonus on top of that for being at the club. £50k p/w is £2.6m per season, with sign on fees etc we'll probably be paying around that £1.6m per 6 months he'll be here when he does arrive in the summer.
If we do sign him in January we'll of course all have to pay his wages until the summer, so the cost of having him will be wages + that £1.6m, if the reported fee is correct. I think that's worth it for the club. You say that we have a settled midfield and that is true, but we also have a midfield that depends on Dembele to an extent that i find very worrying. Since the summer I've been saying that the position where we most need an option is that creative central midfield role because we have no one properly suited to that role other than Dembele.
I would like to think that we'll look to bring someone in this January so that we have some kind of cover for that role, since we're already bringing Holtby in come the summer it makes all kinds of sense to spend a small amount to have him come in straight away rather than signing someone else now, then Holtby on top of that in the summer. Unless we're still going for Moutinho or someone else that is top class now and AVB feels that we long term need both him and Holtby. Then I could see signing just that player now and saving the Holtby money now in January.
For me, short answer: Yes, without a doubt.
Somewhat longer answer:
We're already going to pay him somewhere in the region of £50k p/w and probably a decent sign on fee/loyalty bonus on top of that for being at the club. £50k p/w is £2.6m per season, with sign on fees etc we'll probably be paying around that £1.6m per 6 months he'll be here when he does arrive in the summer.
If we do sign him in January we'll of course all have to pay his wages until the summer, so the cost of having him will be wages + that £1.6m, if the reported fee is correct. I think that's worth it for the club. You say that we have a settled midfield and that is true, but we also have a midfield that depends on Dembele to an extent that i find very worrying. Since the summer I've been saying that the position where we most need an option is that creative central midfield role because we have no one properly suited to that role other than Dembele.
I would like to think that we'll look to bring someone in this January so that we have some kind of cover for that role, since we're already bringing Holtby in come the summer it makes all kinds of sense to spend a small amount to have him come in straight away rather than signing someone else now, then Holtby on top of that in the summer. Unless we're still going for Moutinho or someone else that is top class now and AVB feels that we long term need both him and Holtby. Then I could see signing just that player now and saving the Holtby money now in January.
Re: *Official* Holtby to join in July thread
I think it's a great idea to get him in earlier. To win a trophy and get top 4 we'll almost certainly need a very strong squad.
I've no idea how good the lad is, but assuming he will be 'top 4' quality then that's great, means we don't need to rely on Jake or Tom so much as back ups, neither of whom seem quite 'there'.
I think it's a great idea to get him in earlier. To win a trophy and get top 4 we'll almost certainly need a very strong squad.
I've no idea how good the lad is, but assuming he will be 'top 4' quality then that's great, means we don't need to rely on Jake or Tom so much as back ups, neither of whom seem quite 'there'.
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
Re: *Official* Holtby to join in July thread
1.6 million quid seems very reasonable. Considering that we're apparently asking for 7 million quid for Huddlestone, that transaction (Hudd out, Holtby in) would leave us with a tidy profit while strengthening our squad with a player AVB wants six months earlier than expected, which seems like a good deal all around. Hope it happens.
1.6 million quid seems very reasonable. Considering that we're apparently asking for 7 million quid for Huddlestone, that transaction (Hudd out, Holtby in) would leave us with a tidy profit while strengthening our squad with a player AVB wants six months earlier than expected, which seems like a good deal all around. Hope it happens.
Re: *Official* Holtby to join in July thread
Perhaps Holtby can play as a "number 10" the way we play both our central two sit deep, if he can play there get him in asap.
Perhaps Holtby can play as a "number 10" the way we play both our central two sit deep, if he can play there get him in asap.