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Official - Holtby

Re: *Official* Holtby to join in July thread

Welcome to our new boys...

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Re: *Official* Holtby to join in July thread

He's not very good in wide areas...very much a central player. Moreover I think AVB prefers wide forwards on the flanks more than anything else, though I guess an inverted playmaker is possible if they are prolific. Holtby is not a goalscorer though, more of a creator, perhaps even a deeplying playmaker.

Holtby's style is described as a cross between Modric and VdV...someone who assists the assist, while also capable of direct throughballs. I don't expect him to come anywhere near their playmaking level next season just yet though. For example, for an AM his key passes creation isn't very high (1.4 per game compared to, say, Modric's and VdV's approx. averages of 2.5 last season, and Moutinho's 3.5 this season) but that could be an issue of Schalke's style or usage of him and his own form this season. There's also a lot of qualities that aren't really embodied in stats...if he's more intelligent with the ball than our current players, he could improve us immeasurably as a team. Certainly at only 22, you'd expect him to have plenty of time and room to improve! :)

In truth I think someone more VdV in terms of direct productivity (goals, assists, chance creation) would fit our team better, especially since we don't have a prolific lone striker atm, but there's no doubt Holtby makes far more financial sense than the likes of Isco and Willian, leaving us more resources to strengthen elsewhere. He's also quite tough defensively, which fits in with AVB's team ethos and high pressing game.

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My guess is that we'll be looking for a more prolific lone forward this summer so that we're not so dependent on the No. 10 to score, as we were with VdV. (Easier said than done, as we all know! But that would explain why we're so interested in Leandro despite his awfulness with his back to goal and link-up play.... he's quite good facing forward.) That would change our playing style from Ade drifting out and linking up play to leave space for Bale/VdV to score from the vacated center, to a more vertical, less organic, more systematic style with Holtby acting as a creative hub pulling the strings for a fluid front three.

You can see how this could work if Holtby is very fast in the head and visionary with the field - both Sandro and Dembele are wonderful interceptors and tacklers, and can feed him to feed the front three quickly, while Dembele's dribbling and surging runs draws markers to leave others in more space. Lennon would have to become more wing forward-esque in scoring (as he is already starting to do of late), while Dembele would have to get faster with transitioning the ball rather than hanging on to it. And our FBs need to become... well, more intelligent, because running forward and crossing into the box just isn't going to work against the inevitable parked bus (though Naughton seems to have an eye for a throughball).

You can see how this counterattacking approach would naturally compel teams to sit back, esp against our front three's pace. Nobody wants to give Bale space. So we have to be fluid and clever enough to drag teams out of shape, and be capable of swift one-touch passing in every position. Coaching of movement plus the understanding that comes with relative team stability will help, but I think that striker position is going to become even more important this summer.
 
Re: *Official* Holtby to join in July thread

Btw, I myself have only seen him in a few games, but from what I've heard from other people, Holtby really does have a certain 'speed of thought' to him. He rarely dribbles, preferring instead to one-touch play the ball quickly into attacking positions. If that's true (and if his choices are good!), coupled with his pressing stamina that'd be fantastic for our team, which is already full of good dribblers but not so much bright thinkers.

That's under the assumption AVB likes a very rapid build-up, counterattacking style, which I think he does. The question is what do we do against the buses at home, but at the very least Holtby's addition of creativity to our center will be greatly significant to it.

Edit**: By 'counterattacking style', I don't mean the teetering back-and-forth trading of blows we saw a lot in the first half last season under Harry, when our games were quite open and fluid on both ends. Recent games under AVB suggest - though it may be primarily due to personnel - we'll try to strangle possession in the center and play methodically without moving much into their third, then when they start to come out to fight for possession, slice as rapidly and efficiently as possible into their third. Though some teams will no doubt be quite pleased with a 0-0, 10% possession.
 
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Re: *Official* Holtby to join in July thread

how do you think he'll best fit in with our current crop of players? surely he's got to get in to the starting eleven, and with bale and lennon on the wings, sandro and dembele the greatest partnership in CM, only one more place for Holtby, Siggy, Ade, Dempsey, Parker... and of course, there are still strong rumours of Moutinho (would he even be required now, or is our money better placed acquiring a top-notch striker?).
 
Re: *Official* Holtby to join in July thread

how do you think he'll best fit in with our current crop of players? surely he's got to get in to the starting eleven, and with bale and lennon on the wings, sandro and dembele the greatest partnership in CM, only one more place for Holtby, Siggy, Ade, Dempsey, Parker... and of course, there are still strong rumours of Moutinho (would he even be required now, or is our money better placed acquiring a top-notch striker?).

Makes me wonder if there is something to this idea of us moving to a more 4-3-3 looking formation, then we do need some more players in central midfield.

Parker isn't the youngest anymore, granting Holtby some time to adjust and adapt to the Premiership (always a good idea) and he most certainly won't be the youngest any more. We need options.

Good news that he sounds versatile, will give us a lot of those options and will ensure that he gets game time even if he doesn't become an automatic starter.
 
Re: *Official* Holtby to join in July thread

I do remember the graphic I saw back in July, detailing AVB's tctics at Porto. Hulk would come in off the right wing, on to his stronger foot, while one of the CMs would run straight at the left-side of the opposition's defence, to create space for Hulk and the centre-forward.

I can't seem to find it, so here's one of Stoke's intricate tactical plan instead;

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But, the point is, a wing-forward was crucial in creating space in the box for the midfielders to drive into, and the forward to operate in. In that respect, signing one should be top priority now we've got Holtby, providing creativity in the middle. I cannot harp on enough about Wilfried Zaha, having watched him play quite a few times, so I'd suggest the Moutinho money could go towards securing him instead, given his ability to cut in off the wing.

--------------------Lloris-----------------------

Walker-----Caulker--------Vertonghen-----Bae/Naughton


-------------------Sandro----------------------

----------Dembele--------Holtby---------------------


Zaha----------------------------------------Bale


--------------------Ade/Defoe-----------------


Fantastic.
 
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Not sure how good Holtby is but Arsenal fans seems to be upset they didn't sign him. Hope he will be a good signing for us. But the disappointing thing is we have to wait until next season to see him. Hope we sign a creative midfielder like Moutinho to strengthen our midfield this season. It might make a big difference to where we finish in the league.
 
Re: *Official* Holtby to join in July thread

Holtby: I'm fulfilling my dream by joining Tottenham

The 22-year-old midfielder is leaving Schalke for Spurs in the summer after signing a pre-contract agreement, but has promised to give his all for the Bundesliga side until then

5 Jan 2013 12:40:00
By Tom J Doyle
MORE ON : FC Schalke 04, Tottenham, Lewis Holtby

Lewis Holtby says moving to Tottenham in the summer is a chance to 'fulfil his dreams' of Premier League football, but insists he will give his all for current side Schalke until the end of the season.

The 22-year-old midfielder sparked a scramble for his signature between Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs after declining a new deal with the Bundesliga club, and has signed a pre-contract agreement with the White Hart Lane club.

Despite deciding that his future lies away from the Veltins-Arena, the Germany Under-21 international insists he will go "full-throttle" for the Royal Blues to repay the club for the fond memories of his time there.

"I thought long about the decision I've made," he told reporters. "I want to take my chance to fulfil my dream. I have dreamed about the Premier League since I was a boy.

"I have asked myself many questions. What happens next year? Is it too early? Schalke's offer was good, but did not work out.

"Tottenham are a top club and I'm fulfilling my dream. Negotiations with Schalke were initially advanced, but then I looked over it all carefully again. I have spoken to Andre Villas-Boas and I am confident in his plans."

The promising midfielder says he is grateful for his time at the Bundesliga club, and reveals that the decision was a tough one to make - but he believes it is the right one in order to progress his career.

He continued: "It was a brave decision, but so far in my career, these decisions have been right. I talked to a lot of my closest friends about the change, then I came to this decision.

"At the moment, it says that I will leave Schalke in the summer, but you never know in football.

"I have always been honest and true. Schalke mean a lot to me. I will respect the opinion of the fans. I would like to thank everyone at Schalke in advance for the great time I've had here.

"I will not let off - I will go full-throttle until the last minute for Schalke. The fans need to know this."
 
Re: *Official* Holtby to join in July thread

I liked what his Agent had to say today that he had loads of teams to choose from all over the top of Europes leagues but that he chose to Join Tottenham because of AVB. That says a lot about what AVB was able to pass on to him to convince him we was the right side for his future. Better than harry just telling he is a Top Top player and he can do what he wants on the pitch.

Also his agent said they chose spurs way back in the middle of December.
 
Re: *Official* Holtby to join in July thread

I liked what his Agent had to say today that he had loads of teams to choose from all over the top of Europes leagues but that he chose to Join Tottenham because of AVB. That says a lot about what AVB was able to pass on to him to convince him we was the right side for his future. Better than harry just telling he is a Top Top player and he can do what he wants on the pitch.

Also his agent said they chose spurs way back in the middle of December.

Holtby has even been to WHL, i think it was for the West Ham match, so it looks like talks have been going on for a while
 
Re: *Official* Holtby to join in July thread

Can't believe that no one else has picked up on this yet!
that was the main sentence I noticed in the article tbh. Sounds like we're gonna push for him to come in January nearer the end of the window.
 
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I noticed it too, but was trying not to over analyse.

There doesn't seem much incentive for either club to make a January deal. We don't absolutely need someone, so no need to spend the money that could make it worthwhile for Schalke to make an early deal. The only thing that might push a deal is if he has a bricky attitude and that doesn't seem to be the case.
 
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BILD say that if Spurs want to sign him this month, then Schalke 04 will ask for a fee of 2 million Euros.

Schalke are prepared to let him go but Spurs have sofar not been in contact regarding an immediate transfer.

The article also say that Holtby has signed a 5-year contract.

http://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/s...holtby-sofort-zu-tottenham-27978280.bild.html
Interesting. I wonder will we try for another midfielder this window and just use this as a backup if we get none of our other targets.
 
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2 million euros seems about fair if true. That would be cheaper than what we paid for Pienaar when we signed him when he had half a season left on his contract.

If we don't get another midfielder in I think we should go for that. He might take some time to settle, and he might not be ready for a central midfield role in the Premiership straight away, but at least he would be an option.
 
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Wouldn't mind it tbh.

Comes in January, fresh face around the ground, talented footballer which adds a different dimension to our midfield and team. If he doesn't hit the ground running I think it's fine. Certainly no different than coming in the summer and not hitting the ground running.
 
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