Next Spurs Manager v.2

[milo]

Think this makes quite a bit of sense. He's obviously liked by the players, loves Spurs, and doesn't seem like the type to step on anyones toes.

Giving the job to Sherwood for a short period of time probably seemed like a win-win in Levy's eyes. If he did well, we'd hang on to him, if not, we'd be rid of one of the more vocal (not in a good way) coaches in our staff along with the likes of (i'm hoping) Ferdinand.

I don't think that it makes any sense at all. If the club thought that he was the best person within to be put in temporary charge of the first team, I am sure that this is what they would have done, particularly when there was a Champions League place to play for.

Football is littered with great number twos who could not make the step up to being the boss. I suspect that Freund's jokey approach and closeness to the players meant that the club worried that he might have issues with stamping his authority on the team. All speculation of course.

 

[milo]

You see I've thought about this as well. Redknapp brought Sherwood in and he's done a very good job in building himself quite a powerbase at Spurs, but he clearly created quite a few issues with AVB, not that I don't think AVB was the ultimate one who shot himself in the foot at Spurs, but Sherwood's constant sniping probably wouldn't have helped. Its a similar thing to when Pleat undermined Hoddle when he was in charge. I don't think Hoddle wasn't majorly to blame for it not working out, but it certainly didn't help.

Levy appointing Sherwood as caretaker and then watching him hang himself with this gobby media love-in was too good an opportunity to turn down to get rid of this snake. It's kind of along the lines of "well you kept saying you could do so much better than AVB, so here's your chance...."

Is there any evidence of this?

 

[NWND]

Is there any evidence of this?

Just the normal press/ITK stuff, but there was a lot of smoke..and you know what they say about smoke...

 

[milo]

Just the normal press/ITK stuff, but there was a lot of smoke..and you know what they say about smoke...

There's also a lot of bull**** and smears around Sherwood. We know that Sherwood and AVB fell out a couple of times but I haven't seen anything that confirmed Sherwood was sniping on him to Levy or Baldini or even that they would listen to that kind of thing if he did.

 

[Briddo1882]

I'm bored with the whole thing and it has left me with quite a cold, disillusioned feel towards football and my beloved Spurs. In short, regardless of the Redknapp haters on here we should never have sacked him. He was our most successful manager in recent memory.

There is no stability at our club.
There is no patience in the board room to give the guy in charge a chance
There are no patience on the terraces - fans want instant results.
The media like to stir up sh*t and cause a load of problems, that really should remain internal.

Like most of you, I love my Tottenham. However I am currently as disillusioned with Tottenham and football in general as I ever have been. I haven't been down to The Lane this season, for the first time in 20 odd years - and I have no desire to go either.

Thank you Mr. Levy.

 

[ALtottenham_hotspur]

I'm bored with the whole thing and it has left me with quite a cold, disillusioned feel towards football and my beloved Spurs. In short, regardless of the Redknapp haters on here we should never have sacked him. He was our most successful manager in recent memory.

There is no stability at our club.
There is no patience in the board room to give the guy in charge a chance
There are no patience on the terraces - fans want instant results.
The media like to stir up sh*t and cause a load of problems, that really should remain internal.

Like most of you, I love my Tottenham. However I am currently as disillusioned with Tottenham and football in general as I ever have been. I haven't been down to The Lane this season, for the first time in 20 odd years - and I have no desire to go either.

Thank you Mr. Levy.

You can thank Sky Sports for that as well

 

[BrainOfLevy]

There's also a lot of bull**** and smears around Sherwood. We know that Sherwood and AVB fell out a couple of times but I haven't seen anything that confirmed Sherwood was sniping on him to Levy or Baldini or even that they would listen to that kind of thing if he did.

There's probably about as much evidence about Sherwood sniping on AVB as there is for AVB being the social depart who can't get along with anyone.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Just the normal press/ITK stuff, but there was a lot of smoke..and you know what they say about smoke...

The Richard Keys reveal on the day of the OT win was the big expose of this.

There is also his history to consider - both Hoddle and Hodgson have spoken publically about Timmeh actively undermining them as managers.

I'm bored with the whole thing and it has left me with quite a cold, disillusioned feel towards football and my beloved Spurs. In short, regardless of the Redknapp haters on here we should never have sacked him. He was our most successful manager in recent memory.

There is no stability at our club.
There is no patience in the board room to give the guy in charge a chance
There are no patience on the terraces - fans want instant results.
The media like to stir up sh*t and cause a load of problems, that really should remain internal.

Like most of you, I love my Tottenham. However I am currently as disillusioned with Tottenham and football in general as I ever have been. I haven't been down to The Lane this season, for the first time in 20 odd years - and I have no desire to go either.

Thank you Mr. Levy.

There's no stability at any club. Only four teams in the whole of the football league have had their manager 4 years or longer.

It's the same in business though. 5 years is about optimum time for a leader. After that inertia, denial, complacency and staleness creep in.

It's actually a good model to freshen up your leadership with reasonable regularity - it's what keeps you growing. Charles Handy's sigmoid curves work is interesting on this

 

[Lemonade Money]

Helena Costa?

 

[harr1984]

Just the normal press/ITK stuff, but there was a lot of smoke..and you know what they say about smoke...

Sorry but thanks to the likes of Twitter combined with ITK there is plenty of smoke without a fire. Ridculous rumours such as Sherwood hitting someone in the dressing room being an obvious example....

 

[glorygloryeze]

Sorry but thanks to the likes of Twitter combined with ITK there is plenty of smoke without a fire. Ridculous rumours such as Sherwood hitting someone in the dressing room being an obvious example....

There are indeed ridiculous rumors that swirl around twitter, but what exactly was ridiculous about that one?

 

[Jordinho]

Helena Costa?

Interesting CV.

Youth coach at Benfica, scout for Celtic and most recently manager for Iran's women's national team.

 

[Mumorn]

The question of Pulis isn't one of "winning ugly versus not winning as much but looking good". Pulis' brand of football is limited to getting a club like Stoke or Palace to mid table. He wouldn't do that much better with us because the style of football is so limited. Someone drew parallels with Harry and while Old Saggy Chops did far better than I thought he would, his style of football was always better than Pulis'.

On Pulis, he got Stoke to mid table. He got Palace mid table and did it with both clubs on scant resources. Great job in both cases. But when he got a shedload of money with Stoke, and he did, they barely progressed. The man is a good manager to a point. That point is a club with aspirations of stability in the Premiership not one with aspirations of Champions League football.

When did my post mention Pulis?

 

[harr1984]

There are indeed ridiculous rumors that swirl around twitter, but what exactly was ridiculous about that one?

Well when I heard it I never even considered it true for a second, therefore I'd consider it ridiculous. If you found that believeable then fair enough,obviously not as ridiculous to you as it was to me...

 

[Gutter Boy]

What about that Jesus guy from Benfica? That would **** Timmeh off!

Lots of good headlines about yids crucifying Jesus when it inevitably goes wrong.

 

[Chachaboom]

The Richard Keys reveal on the day of the OT win was the big expose of this.

There is also his history to consider - both Hoddle and Hodgson have spoken publically about Timmeh actively undermining them as managers.




There's no stability at any club. Only four teams in the whole of the football league have had their manager 4 years or longer.

It's the same in business though. 5 years is about optimum time for a leader. After that inertia, denial, complacency and staleness creep in.

It's actually a good model to freshen up your leadership with reasonable regularity - it's what keeps you growing. Charles Handy's sigmoid curves work is interesting on this

5 years. We haven't had a manager whose done more than 3 and half years at Spurs for 30 years (I think).

As long as we can see a team emerging the next manager HAS to be given time by the board AND the fans if we are to be successful. Mind you that depends on your idea of success for our club.

 

[Ryan]

5 years. We haven't had a manager whose done more than 3 and half years at Spurs for 30 years (I think).

As long as we can see a team emerging the next manager HAS to be given time by the board AND the fans if we are to be successful. Mind you that depends on your idea of success for our club.

For all of the complaints about how we give nobody time, would we really have been so happy to have seen any of our previous managers since our upturn to stay?

Jol - Lovely bloke and was gutted when he left but we bottled every big game and were beginning to stagnate under him.
Ramos - Needn't say anything, completely wrong fit
Redknapp - Off the field issues with his flirting with the England job, finished seasons poorly which cost us, guaranteed to be losing Modric who he had built his entire team around
AVB - Clashes with the board and pretty boring football, by all accounts as much a choice his than Levy's
Tim - Not ready for this job yet

The only manager that has a case for not going when he did was Harry but there were certainly legitimate doubts over his ability to take us forward from where he got us. We've progressed in spite of all these sackings, we might not have done if we stuck with one of these managers, alternatively we may have skyrocketed but certainly no guarantees of that

 

[billyiddo]

people seem to like the idea of giving a manager time more than they actually like giving them time.

i bet every single one of you who cry on about our habit of sacking managers too soon have agreed with at least a couple of our decisions with regards to managerial exits over the years, which IMV puts you on dodgy ground when bemoaning another 'short lived' appointment really as i don't think you can cherry pick who you give time to and who you don't - you either give all managers 3/4/5 seasons and see what they do or you make judgments based on a shorter period of time.

what makes you think that YOU have the knowledge to say that Manager X isn't going to cut it after 1 or 2 seasons but then when Manager Y gets the sack after 18 months against your wishes it's the wrong call and he should have been given time?

 

[Lost Mango]

There's also a lot of bull**** and smears around Sherwood. We know that Sherwood and AVB fell out a couple of times but I haven't seen anything that confirmed Sherwood was sniping on him to Levy or Baldini or even that they would listen to that kind of thing if he did.

Scumbell, who has nothing to really gain now as i doubt that insight will see books, claims Deadwood was sniping and manipulating against him for the club captaincy from the moment he arrived at the club.

Seems to be in his character to want to be top dog, which is fair enough, but not to take it on head on but manipulation and back-handing.

 

[DTA]

Scumbell, who has nothing to really gain now as i doubt that insight will see books, claims Deadwood was sniping and manipulating against him for the club captaincy from the moment he arrived at the club.

Seems to be in his character to want to be top dog, which is fair enough, but not to take it on head on but manipulation and back-handing.

Good on Sherwood then. Is he now claiming that's why he left spurs for the scum