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Next Spurs manager mega-thread

who would it be?

  • Jose Mourinho

    Votes: 110 48.0%
  • Guus Hiddink

    Votes: 29 12.7%
  • Louis Van Gaal

    Votes: 3 1.3%
  • David Moyes

    Votes: 20 8.7%
  • Brendan Rodgers

    Votes: 40 17.5%
  • Alan Pardew

    Votes: 3 1.3%
  • Tim Owl Face Sherwood

    Votes: 3 1.3%
  • Fabio Capello

    Votes: 3 1.3%
  • Seb Bassong

    Votes: 3 1.3%
  • Sandra Redknapp

    Votes: 15 6.6%

  • Total voters
    229
The fans reaction is more to do with the abject failure in the second half of the season than the comparison with previous league positions.

That is a silly perception though. The season runs over 38 games, not half a season. Just because you have a good first half of the season, it may just means you had an easier run of fixtures. In turn that means the second half of the season is harder and therefore you'll pick up less points.

But that is kind of the point. If the perception of Spurs fans is like that, then I can't see Moyes lasting very long. Two consecutive 4th places would be considered a failure as that means we hadn't progressed.
 
That is a silly perception though. The season runs over 38 games, not half a season. Just because you have a good first half of the season, it may just means you had an easier run of fixtures. In turn that means the second half of the season is harder and therefore you'll pick up less points.

But that is kind of the point. If the perception of Spurs fans is like that, then I can't see Moyes lasting very long. Two consecutive 4th places would be considered a failure as that means we hadn't progressed.


Firstly i'm pretty sure 95% of the time you'll play every team once in the first half of the season, and you'll play every team once in the second half of the season. So neither half of the season should be more difficult. The only issue should be the possibility of fatigue/injuries.


If i'm outside the majority then i'm fine with that, two consecutive 4th places would be successful seasons in my eyes, with six or seven teams (United/city, chels, arse, pool, toon, us) all currently challenging for only four places, and with all of them attempting to improve their squads each window it is a very competitive league.
 
I think Moyes would do well at Spurs. The job he's done at Everton on his budget has to be up there with the likes of Ferguson and Wenger in terms of output. Of course none of his teams have won a trophy, but he's got a lot out of that club when the backing has been very poor. Compare that to the likes of Martin O' Neil and Benitez who ad brick loads to spend at their respective clubs.

Exactly this

Also, compare his post-match interview style to 'Arry in recent interviews. In recent weeks, 'Arry has been afraid to say "we were simply attrocious" or "we were not at the standard expected of us". Instead, he says "we were unlucky not to come away with something", "the opposition are a strong side and lots of teams would struggle against them" or something to that effect.

Moyes will tell it how it is, which I kind of appreciate of a manager. People criticise his transfer record, but I think he's had more hits than misses. (Jelavic, Arteta, Jagielka, Cahill, Distin, Lescott, Howard etc)
 
Firstly i'm pretty sure 95% of the time you'll play every team once in the first half of the season, and you'll play every team once in the second half of the season. So neither half of the season should be more difficult. The only issue should be the possibility of fatigue/injuries.


If i'm outside the majority then i'm fine with that, two consecutive 4th places would be successful seasons in my eyes, with six or seven teams (United/city, chels, arse, pool, toon, us) all currently challenging for only four places, and with all of them attempting to improve their squads each window it is a very competitive league.

So you don't believe home/away is a factor?
 
Unless you play every game at home and then every game away you will end up with a pretty even mix, it shouldnt be the case that one half of the season is tangibly harder than the other - unless you have been seriously unlucky in the fixture list
 
Unless you play every game at home and then every game away you will end up with a pretty even mix, it shouldnt be the case that one half of the season is tangibly harder than the other - unless you have been seriously unlucky in the fixture list

There is little doubt that a run of games can be harder. Whether it be 5 games, 10 games or 20 games. It can happen, and does happen.
 
So you don't believe home/away is a factor?


Home/away is a factor. More on form though.


In one half of the season you'll have 14 home and 15 away, switched for the other half of the season.


Of course this only works on averages, per season it would have an affect. Though the affect of home/away games is extremely difficult to calculate. There have been many discussions on this around the forum, yet there have been no definitive answers.


Though i feel we're wandering away from the topic.. which is probably partly my fault..




I would not be against Moyes coming in as spurs manager, but i would also not be for him.
 
ooh gaawwd,

Moyes? really? can we not do better?

i was dreaming about someone with some kind of melody to his or her name.....

meh, Tottenham supporter till i pass thank heavens....bring on whoever i shall find the best in them to love.

Lets look away from the cons of moyes (of which there are not that many but the actual cons are REALLY bad)

lets focus on the pros

so then people, what ARE the pros of having moyes? is he gonna get bale to track back? gonna make our team defend for 90 mins with two solid banks of 4 that dont seperate from each other alot? is he going to promote variation and sophistication in our attack? is he a possesion guy or a counter attack transition guy? is he going to target them african born french negros that happen to have the fortune of not selling the big issue?

pros people, if this man decides to take the job , what are the prooooooos
 
Moyes would certainly be interesting. I'd assume he'd have to convince Levy that he can play attractive football and still be a success when taking out of the style he has used to get success at Everton. Because I think it will be important to Levy to have someone that can have the team play good football. He will know that if it isn't addressed, the fans will be on his back quickly, the atmosphere will become pretty toxic, and that can be hard to shake off. McLeish has never had a chance at Villa for example.

It will be interesting because I'd like to know if there are any previous examples of a manager not typically known for playing fluid football at a smaller club, then joining a club that almost demands it, and succeeding. Has it ever happened? Has it ever had the opportunity to happen? Part of me thinks that managers simply know football, they don't only know one system. I'd bet if Wenger had a gun to his head, he could coach a team to play like Stoke. He'd know 'how' to do it, but he obviously wouldn't want to and doesn't need to. I'd have to believe Moyes would know 'how' to coach a team to play in an attractive fashion, and it would just be whether or not he wants to. The style Everton play could simply be because he took them over when they were struggling in the league, and they had a certain type of player, and he has simply bought players to fit in to that style and constantly evolve it, rather than attempt a dramatic upheaval when he hasn't had the money to do so.

The other point to consider something that the Guardian brought up after we played Everton. Moyes is considered to be a reactive coach, where as Redknapp is proactive. Redknapp lets other teams worry about us, while Moyes is always focussing on nullifying opposition threats. As shown by literally having Coleman follow Bale where ever he went on the pitch. Everton's attacking shape didn't matter as much as stopping Bale. Neither approach is right or wrong in the grand scheme of things, but it has to be thought through as to whether the Moyes approach suits a club like ours. Teams come to WHL and sit back, expecting us to try and break them down. If Moyes has built his reputation on being one of those teams that frustrates opponents, can he change? Can he be proactive? Even if he could, would we want to risk it here? We'd be hoping Moyes could change his natural tendencies, or at the very least asking him to use an approach that isn't consistent with the one that gained him success anyway. In that sense, someone like Rodgers may be more appropriate. He would focus on perfecting the system that we run, rather than worrying about stopping the opposition more. In that sense, he may be more suited to a club like us.

I think Moyes is a great manager. For Chelsea, I think he'd be pretty good. They have played a more rigid style and their fans didn't seem to mind as long as it gained them success. Their squad even seemed to reject and be highly uncomfortable with the more fluid offerings of AVB. I respect Moyes and maybe he would do a good job here. Maybe he could be more proactive and less reactive. Maybe he could play a style of football that would appease the fans and keep a more healthy atmosphere in the stadium and around the club. But why risk it? We'd be asking him to do things that he hasn't really demonstrated he could do at Everton. And that isn't his fault, he's just had a different set of objectives and constraints to work on.

I think there's a new breed of managers that would suit us more. I think Rodgers would suit us down to the ground. I think Poyet would suit us. They don't have Harry's experience but we are perhaps losing points because Harry has some old beliefs that he doesn't see the need in changing. He doesn't rotate as much and maybe that's costing us. Lambert completely outclassed him tactically - maybe there are new ideas floating round in the game and these new coaches are implementing them well, and maybe we need to get in on it and take the risk before anyone else so we can reap the benefits before these ideas become more commonplace.
 
Moyes would certainly be interesting. I'd assume he'd have to convince Levy that he can play attractive football and still be a success when taking out of the style he has used to get success at Everton. Because I think it will be important to Levy to have someone that can have the team play good football. He will know that if it isn't addressed, the fans will be on his back quickly, the atmosphere will become pretty toxic, and that can be hard to shake off. McLeish has never had a chance at Villa for example.

It will be interesting because I'd like to know if there are any previous examples of a manager not typically known for playing fluid football at a smaller club, then joining a club that almost demands it, and succeeding. Has it ever happened? Has it ever had the opportunity to happen? Part of me thinks that managers simply know football, they don't only know one system. I'd bet if Wenger had a gun to his head, he could coach a team to play like Stoke. He'd know 'how' to do it, but he obviously wouldn't want to and doesn't need to. I'd have to believe Moyes would know 'how' to coach a team to play in an attractive fashion, and it would just be whether or not he wants to. The style Everton play could simply be because he took them over when they were struggling in the league, and they had a certain type of player, and he has simply bought players to fit in to that style and constantly evolve it, rather than attempt a dramatic upheaval when he hasn't had the money to do so.

The other point to consider something that the Guardian brought up after we played Everton. Moyes is considered to be a reactive coach, where as Redknapp is proactive. Redknapp lets other teams worry about us, while Moyes is always focussing on nullifying opposition threats. As shown by literally having Coleman follow Bale where ever he went on the pitch. Everton's attacking shape didn't matter as much as stopping Bale. Neither approach is right or wrong in the grand scheme of things, but it has to be thought through as to whether the Moyes approach suits a club like ours. Teams come to WHL and sit back, expecting us to try and break them down. If Moyes has built his reputation on being one of those teams that frustrates opponents, can he change? Can he be proactive? Even if he could, would we want to risk it here? We'd be hoping Moyes could change his natural tendencies, or at the very least asking him to use an approach that isn't consistent with the one that gained him success anyway. In that sense, someone like Rodgers may be more appropriate. He would focus on perfecting the system that we run, rather than worrying about stopping the opposition more. In that sense, he may be more suited to a club like us.

I think Moyes is a great manager. For Chelsea, I think he'd be pretty good. They have played a more rigid style and their fans didn't seem to mind as long as it gained them success. Their squad even seemed to reject and be highly uncomfortable with the more fluid offerings of AVB. I respect Moyes and maybe he would do a good job here. Maybe he could be more proactive and less reactive. Maybe he could play a style of football that would appease the fans and keep a more healthy atmosphere in the stadium and around the club. But why risk it? We'd be asking him to do things that he hasn't really demonstrated he could do at Everton. And that isn't his fault, he's just had a different set of objectives and constraints to work on.

I think there's a new breed of managers that would suit us more. I think Rodgers would suit us down to the ground. I think Poyet would suit us. They don't have Harry's experience but we are perhaps losing points because Harry has some old beliefs that he doesn't see the need in changing. He doesn't rotate as much and maybe that's costing us. Lambert completely outclassed him tactically - maybe there are new ideas floating round in the game and these new coaches are implementing them well, and maybe we need to get in on it and take the risk before anyone else so we can reap the benefits before these ideas become more commonplace.

i actually dot think lambert outclassed him at all. i think our team just wasnt disciplined and had no shape defensively
 
i actually dot think lambert outclassed him at all. i think our team just wasnt disciplined and had no shape defensively

Me too, and I just think that's because Lambert outclassed him. Confidence was supposed to be back in the team. The blip was supposed to be over, but we never looked comfortable against them. I really like Harry, and don't hold this bad run of form against him. This is one of the first times we have really been outclassed in the league this season, but I think it happened because Lambert 'did him over'.

Lambert adjusts from game to game. He's extremely flexible. I think he knew exactly how to stop us and exactly how to exploit the space we would leave them. It wasn't as if they sat back and frustrated us. They picked us apart and could have had a couple more goals at least. That's more than us just losing our shape, I think they had a plan to get at us and it worked to perfection.

Anyway I really like Lambert, but maybe he is more reactive like Moyes is...or maybe he isn't? Who knows? He was able to get promotion twice and certainly in the second halves of those seasons teams must have been coming to frustrate Norwich once they realised what good form they were in, so maybe he does have the nous to break teams like that down.

...and maybe Moyes would as well.
 
Funny thing is there were threads ridiculoulsy similar to this prior to the Redknapp apointment and he proved the vast majority wrong.

It's easy to sit here and say he can't do this,can't do that. He is a very good manager that has overachieved with the resources at his disposal much like Redknapp's past. If he could overachieve at Spurs we'd be title challengers.

He is highly rated by Ferguson and Redknapp to name but two, and I would trust their judgement over anybody's on here including my own....
 
lets focus on the pros

so then people, what ARE the pros of having moyes? is he gonna get bale to track back? gonna make our team defend for 90 mins with two solid banks of 4 that dont seperate from each other alot? is he going to promote variation and sophistication in our attack? is he a possesion guy or a counter attack transition guy? is he going to target them african born french negros that happen to have the fortune of not selling the big issue?

pros people, if this man decides to take the job , what are the prooooooos

Pros for me:

While he can sometimes come across as a whinny bitch after matches I do like the way he handles himself. Always honest, with dignity and as mentioned would be a real ambassador for the club.

He has huge respect for the Everton fans.

He knows how to bring youth through and has no issue in doing so.

He knows how to make a 451 work well, which I believe best suits our players, and so perhaps tweaking his system to a more attacking dimension wouldnt be beyond him.

His teams are always very well prepared.

His teams work incredibly hard.

His teams are hard to beat.

His players all seem to adore him.

After that Ive run out of ideas for now
 
i respect Moyes, i think he would have us finishing top 6 every season

but i want Martinez or Rodgers. I want to see what they can do with better players, bigger budgets.

Levy will probably go for Moyes. Safe
 
Big respect for Moyes.

Wouldnt want him to manage us at all.

His playing style makes the eyes bleed and I question his ability in the transfer market at our level

That sums it up for me. I wouldn't want him anywhere near Spurs despite his deserved level of respect in football. Not to mention I want a manager that can crack a smile once in a while. Not for me in the slightest.
 
Martinez? Please GHod, no. Perhaps if we did what Chelsea did and appointed him as an assistant manager for a while, to learn the art of defensive endeavors, then maybe. But otherwise, no. Moyes? Erhm. Was against it earlier in the season, not so sure now. e would bring us some defensive organization, which we evidently badly need, but he'd also struggle to break down smaller teams that come to defend, I think. I'd leave it at fifty-fifty.

For a long time, though, I've believed this; whatever happens, whatever manager we choose to appoint, even if we're able to keep 'Arry; we have to at least try to make an approach to Saudi Sportswashing Machine for Graham Carr, their chief scout. He's one of the best in the business in my opinion, and we need to do all we can to get him back.
 
no point in having Carr if the manager decides to ignore the advice.

anyway, the good players Saudi Sportswashing Machine have bought are hardly unknown. All performed very well for their previous clubs. Pardew and Hughton must take most credit for separating the wheat from the chaff offered
 
That sums it up for me. I wouldn't want him anywhere near Spurs despite his deserved level of respect in football. Not to mention I want a manager that can crack a smile once in a while. Not for me in the slightest.

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Moyes doesnt quite get the credit he deserves. I think the real people in football know what a brilliant job he does, but the armchair football managers think they know best.

Wouldnt mind in the slightest is he was shortlisted. Vastly experienced manager.
 
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