Next Spurs manager mega-thread

[Bale]

Mancini if he gets sacked from Emirates Marketing Project?

 

[ArcspacE]

Mancini if he gets sacked from Emirates Marketing Project?

In a hearbeat

He'd also have a nice bunch of players working as a unit as opposed to poisonous overpaid tossers who like to fight with eachother

 

[DubaiSpur]

r.e. Dubai

I think you're dimissing the good work Roy has done with a largerly mediocre selection of players. Arry should be challenging for the title with our bunch - we are levels above Arse bar their striker and would have to scrape to the death to finish just fudging once above them . Our best squad in 20 years and still the pain of potentially finishing behind them and would most likely end a good 25 points off first. An excellent manager would have taken us to the next level this season, imv. Especially transfer-wise.

Although perhaps that would be good enough for the FA, who knows.

Re Harry, of course mate. I'm not denying that a Mourinho-level manager would have done better. Harry is what he is; a good manager who's found himself a good club, one that fits his level. He's not a managerial mastermind, he's a solid, experienced old devil who's been around the block a bit and keeps it simple. Those are his strengths, and full credit to him for using them, but he's not an excellent manager by any means.

But the FA aren't really looking for an excellent manager right now, are they? They're looking for the best English manager out there, and at the moment, that's Harry.

As for Roy, sure, he does well with mediocre players. That is the definition of an above-average manager, but nothing exceptional. And the media spotlight is a thousand times as bright in the England job than it is in the Liverpool hotseat. So if he couldn't manage the expectations at Liverpool, surely England would be a few steps beyond him?

 

[DubaiSpur]

In a hearbeat

He'd also have a nice bunch of players working as a unit as opposed to poisonous overpaid tossers who like to fight with eachother

Come on mate,while he may be tactically astute, Mancini is first and foremost a disciplinarian. He takes absolutely no brick from anyone, and he's hard as nails apparently, alongside being not very good at motivating players. How would our players react to that after four years of 'Arry's 'arm around the shoulder' techniques?

 

[DubaiSpur]

When you are looking at clubs with very similar status, package on offer, objectives and aspirations - even similar level of player then of course factors like the manager will come to the fore. I would suggest also playing style.

If I were a winger presented with that option then I would choose Utd without hesitation, wingers thrive there. If I were a DM? Perhaps City would suit me better...

[Edit - had read it as the two Manchesters, not us, duh!]

My point was not that a manager should be dismissed in the decision, simply that its most likely not the overbearing factor on a decision to join a club. As I said, most often players out last a manager, and also frequently have better relations with the Chief exec/chairman (as a more permanent feature)

First considerations, IMO, are money, (CL) status and where the club sits in its respective league (and the league itself)

When you reach a situation where you have a few similar choices then of course other factors come into play.

Hmm. Yeah, I see your point. Still a bit dispiriting, though.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

How so?

I just think its a little naive to think the manager is the overbearing factor in these decisions.

Or indeed, that a mangers record is.

Hypothetically, Im a footballer - lets say Sturridge at Chelsea. For whatever reason Im not happy at Chelsea and want a move. Spurs have just brought in Brendan Rodgers and shown interest in me.

do I a) Immediately dismiss it because Rodgers is a young manager who hasnt won anything.

Or seeing they are a CL side, in London, with top players and are willing to offer me ?úXm a year

b) Speak to my mate Josh McEchran who played under Rodgers to get an idea of what he is like and what to expect...

 

[Jimmy-g]

Money and status will attract players much more than any manager (who, lets face it, is only ever temporary)

For whatever reason Redknap has always been able to attract good players to the club where he has been employed, its not to be underestimated, say we go for Remi, we have a far better chance of landing him if a "known" manager is in charge, I think it makes a big difference in attracting players as does the clubs location.
If Redknap does leave us its going to be hard replacing him without losing momentum, if say Redknap and Modric were to go it could easily cost us two seasons to hopefully get back to where we are now.

 

[DubaiSpur]

How so?

I just think its a little naive to think the manager is the overbearing factor in these decisions.

Or indeed, that a mangers record is.

Hypothetically, Im a footballer - lets say Sturridge at Chelsea. For whatever reason Im not happy at Chelsea and want a move. Spurs have just brought in Brendan Rodgers and shown interest in me.

do I a) Immediately dismiss it because Rodgers is a young manager who hasnt won anything.

Or seeing they are a CL side, in London, with top players and are willing to offer me ?úXm a year

b) Speak to my mate Josh McEchran who played under Rodgers to get an idea of what he is like and what to expect...

Well, it's dispiriting when you look the other way; imagine Mourinho came here. It's not that far-fetched; after all, he's already indicated that his next job won't be for the money, but for the challenge. So, we have Mou on board, and the wage ceiling is increased to, say, 120k. then we offer Sturridge a contract for that amount. But, at the same time, City come in and offer him 200k. We're both in the CL(if all goes well!), we both possess top players and we're both based in big cities. But we have Mourinho while they have Mancini. One is definitely better than the other. And you'd think that would be the deciding factor in a player's mind, since he (like his contemporaries) wants to win trophies first and foremost.

But, deep down, I know the extra 80k would likely be the deciding factor. And that's what's dispiriting; that we could potentially hire a fantastic manager but still be hamstrung by our wage bill.

 

[Rossi22]

We can add Walker, Ekotto, Bale and Rafa to the list of Spurs players who have talked up Rodgers/Swansea already this season.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

For whatever reason = ?ú?ú?ú?ú?ú :twisted:

Im not underestimating the manager factor, Im also not over estimating it.

Look at all the transfers that go on on the continent, where clubs habitually ship out the coach and bring someone new in noone has ever heard of - does it impact their transfer strategy?

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

Well, it's dispiriting when you look the other way; imagine Mourinho came here. It's not that far-fetched; after all, he's already indicated that his next job won't be for the money, but for the challenge. So, we have Mou on board, and the wage ceiling is increased to, say, 120k. then we offer Sturridge a contract for that amount. But, at the same time, City come in and offer him 200k. We're both in the CL(if all goes well!), we both possess top players and we're both based in big cities. But we have Mourinho while they have Mancini. One is definitely better than the other. And you'd think that would be the deciding factor in a player's mind, since he (like his contemporaries) wants to win trophies first and foremost.

But, deep down, I know the extra 80k would likely be the deciding factor. And that's what's dispiriting; that we could potentially hire a fantastic manager but still be hamstrung by our wage bill.

Its horses for courses, isnt it? Mourinho is the best there is, he would certainly become a factor in that decision (because he is the extreme example)

As would London vs Manchester. And when you are being offered in excess of ?ú100k a week is money that big a factor?

 

[DubaiSpur]

Its horses for courses, isnt it? Mourinho is the best there is, he would certainly become a factor in that decision (because he is the extreme example)

As would London vs Manchester. And when you are being offered in excess of ?ú100k a week is money that big a factor?

Yep. I cite the example of Ade, who, despite being settled and happy in a team that adores him for the first time in ages, still apparently doesn't want to take a pay-cut from 170k a week to a more modest figure to join said team.

 

[ArcspacE]

But, deep down, I know the extra 80k would likely be the deciding factor. And that's what's dispiriting; that we could potentially hire a fantastic manager but still be hamstrung by our wage bill.

We certaintly cannot offer that extra 80k but at least we can use our manager name for the extra pull. If we also won the lotto then it would have mattered less who's behind the helm but in our position more often than not the little details can make the big difference between a Hazard or an Odemwingwe / Matt Jarvis

 

[Bale]

How about Martin Jol back?

 

[jimmyb]

How about Martin Jol back?

You jest, I hope.

 

[DubaiSpur]

How about Martin Jol back?

Will always be welcome at the Lane, Martin. Just not in the home dugout. Surely we've moved on by now.

 

[DubaiSpur]

We certaintly cannot offer that extra 80k but at least we can use our manager name for the extra pull. If we also won the lotto then it would have mattered less who's behind the helm but in our position more often than not the little details can make the big difference between a Hazard or an Odemwingwe / Matt Jarvis

Hmm. So, in that case, perhaps Rodgers wouldn't be a good choice after all.

 

[Jordinho]

For whatever reason Redknap has always been able to attract good players to the club where he has been employed, its not to be underestimated, say we go for Remi, we have a far better chance of landing him if a "known" manager is in charge, I think it makes a big difference in attracting players as does the clubs location.
If Redknap does leave us its going to be hard replacing him without losing momentum, if say Redknap and Modric were to go it could easily cost us two seasons to hopefully get back to where we are now.

The chairmen at Wham and Pompey never hesitated about throwing money at new signings. John Utaka - 80K a week.

 

[Jimmy-g]

The chairmen at Wham and Pompey never hesitated about throwing money at new signings. John Utaka - 80K a week.

Thing is Redknap is the instigator, the pompey side that won the Cup was a really good side, I was at the semi and was well impressed with them, a lot of shrewd buys, what worries me is the fact that if Redknap leaves we will almost certainly go backwards, he is going to be difficult to replace, rate him or not he has done a triffic job for us and the media love him, money wise it will be interesting to see how much we end up paying Ade, I think he will be with us next season.

 

[Jurgen the German]

How about Martin Jol back?

No! We were too fragile mentally under him. Redknapp has done his best to try and give us more steel, make sure we are not such a pushover anymore and change the mentality at our club.