Next Spurs manager mega-thread

[zin]

They consistently bring in only players that have good close control and can pass the ball. Then some good coaching I assume, and then a system and philosophy.

Read about how they had spent a very long time identifying their goalkeeper target this summer before they found/decided on Vorm, because they needed a goalkeeper with great distribution to fit their system. Similarly they also brought in Caulker who is very good and calm on the ball. You see it with the loan signing of McEchran as well I suppose. This is crucial, if you have just 1-2 players that can't pass and control the ball well it gets a lot easier for opponents to close you down and force you into long balls. I would guess you would never see Rodgers bring in Bassong or Palacios for example.

Of course there is a cost associated with this, and for Swansea who don't have the finances to bring in truly top class players it limits who they can sign quite a bit, and seemingly they end up with players that have other weaknesses, compared to a team like Stoke that will accept poor passing and close control. For example their full backs look quite average, especially when defending and Vorm, although good, is a bit short and we scored twice from a cross and a corner that was headed in from quite a bit inside the 6-yard box where other goalkeepers might have come for the ball.

Bassong is a ball playing defender, he doesn't hoof the ball upfield, bad example! If anything Bassong may be a good replacement for Caulker at Swansea.

 

[braineclipse]

Bassong is a ball playing defender, he doesn't hoof the ball upfield, bad example! If anything Bassong may be a good replacement for Caulker at Swansea.

He doesn't hoof the ball up field, but mostly because he doesn't actually receive many passes and spends most of his time hiding so people won't pass the ball to him. When he does receive a pass it's always in acres of space and under no pressure so that he can pick out an easy pass and go back into hiding. Nowhere near a ball playing defender imo.

 

[indianspur]

He doesn't stand a chance at Spurs.

you know it

 

[BrainOfLevy]

We regularly passed the ball around brilliantly under Jol, keeping possession and waiting for our chance, particularly in 05/06, and the crowd was well behind the team.

 

[milo]

I'd take Mourinho or Rodgers. No one else.

It is likely that you will be disappointed then.

 

[milo]

I'd like to see Rodgers have three years in the Premiership before we went for him personally. Three successful years. There have been many cases where a Manager has had a team do blindingly well one season, only then to falter. George Burley, Mike Walker etc.

I agree. There is no denying that Swansea have had a great season and played some nice football but how many clubs have done well in their first Premiership season only to fall to pieces in the second.

 

[Raziel]

Would you take Mourinho?

Yes I would, because Mourinho brings a few things Rogers doesn't

- As close to a guarantee of success as you are likely to get (two years of Mourinho would most likely = FA/CC & CL place each year)
- Raise the profile of the club
- More likely to keep top players, and in general would be a sign of ambition from Spurs

That said, Jose would be another short term solution (likely to leave in 2-3 years), but I'd accept that.

 

[Modric THFC]

Yes I would, because Mourinho brings a few things Rogers doesn't

- As close to a guarantee of success as you are likely to get (two years of Mourinho would most likely = FA/CC & CL place each year)
- Raise the profile of the club
- More likely to keep top players, and in general would be a sign of ambition from Spurs

That said, Jose would be another short term solution (likely to leave in 2-3 years), but I'd accept that.

Emirates Marketing Project will be accepting that before you get a chance

 

[jimmyb]

We regularly passed the ball around brilliantly under Jol, keeping possession and waiting for our chance, particularly in 05/06, and the crowd was well behind the team.

You were watching a different team to me, mate!

We were capable of playing good football. But that was mostly because we had a player like Freddie Kanoute or Berbatov up front who could instantly control a long hoof forward and then bring his team mates into play - making silk purses out of sows' ears.

That's not to say that we didn't pass it short or on the ground at all. But push and run was certainly not our default pattern of play. One of the biggest failings of Jol's teams at Spurs was the lack of off the ball movement and the consequent reliance on upfield hoofs. Used to drive me mad.

 

[chancer]

Martinez? why is his name there? He was the one who laid the whole foundations for this passing game at Swansea, and his Wigan team is known for wanting to pass and move at all times

Yes, it wasn't right to include Martinez, except that Wigan are in a relegation scrap and Swansea aren't. But I guess it's very unfair to suggest that's down to Martinez inability to coach passing.

Does anyone know how much credit Martinez takes for the current Swansea set-up? I'd be more concerned about Rodgers if he inherited a great set-up from someone else.

 

[ArcspacE]

I agree. There is no denying that Swansea have had a great season and played some nice football but how many clubs have done well in their first Premiership season only to fall to pieces in the second.

Spot on - countless managers have followed a similar pattern

Absolutely nothing under 2 seasons would equate to an objective look at him.

 

[Jimmy-g]

Spot on - countless managers have followed a similar pattern

Absolutely nothing under 2 seasons would equate to an objective look at him.

This, also there is no way he would attract big name players, if we are going to continue to improve we need a competent "name" manager, I personally believe that the FA will not offer Redknap the job anyway.

 

[ArcspacE]

I personally believe that the FA will not offer Redknap the job anyway.

By now I think there is a strong case for Hodgson and Pardew, imho - as much as Arry has been hitching skirt since day one.

I aslo believe we should be looking for a possible replacement irrespective

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

This, also there is no way he would attract big name players, if we are going to continue to improve we need a competent "name" manager, I personally believe that the FA will not offer Redknap the job anyway.

Money and status will attract players much more than any manager (who, lets face it, is only ever temporary)

 

[parklane1]

, I personally believe that the FA will not offer Redknapp the job anyway.

That has been my opinion since day one as well, too much of a KK scenario for me.

 

[DubaiSpur]

Money and status will attract players much more than any manager (who, lets face it, is only ever temporary)

True, but think of this hypothetical scenario; if you were offered 200k a week by both Emirates Marketing Project and us, would you rather go to City with Mourinho in charge, or us with Phil Brown in charge?

 

[ArcspacE]

True, but think of this hypothetical scenario; if you were offered 200k a week by both Emirates Marketing Project and us, would you rather go to City with Mourinho in charge, or us with Phil Brown in charge?

Agreed. Counltess transfers over the years have seen the manager as the single most deciding factor even to the extent of choosing a less lucrative offer. I can recall at least 10 off the top of my head. To dismiss the manager factor is ridiculous.

And just to add: a club of our stature (not being able to offer 200k/week contracts) if anything should use the manager as the main bargaining chip compared to other G-8 offers which 9/10 times would financially blow anything we're offering out of the water. Reality check


Large offer / Big manager name - 90% success
Solid offer / Big manager name - 50/50%
Solid offer / Clown manager - little chance

 

[DubaiSpur]

By now I think there is a strong case for Hodgson and Pardew, imho - as much as Arry has been hitching skirt since day one.

I aslo believe we should be looking for a possible replacement irrespective

Hodgson is mediocre at best, and Pardew, though proven to be an able manager, is being made to look better than he is by Saudi Sportswashing Machine's astoundingly good scouting setup, which provides him with a bunch of really good players.

Think of it this way; crunch game, Germany v England, World Cup quarter-final. Would you have Alan Pardew at the helm, knowing that he played a 4-4-2 against Spurs earlier in the year and got absolutely tacoted? Or Hodgson, who couldn't cope with the pressure at Liverpool? The way I see it, Redknapp's the best candidate. At least he's managed to get Spurs to the Champions League, looks like doing so again and is good with the media, which should help him survive a bit longer than he otherwise would. That makes him better than the other two.

Personally, though, I think the FA may be having second thoughts about this whole 'Englishman in charge' thing. The number of good foreign managers who could become available after the European Championships is not inconsiderable. Ancelotti (stuttering with PSG), Guardiola, any number of national team coaches, hell, even potentially Jose. Why not appoint Pearce for the Euros and then one of these guys after? I mean, it's unlikely England will do any better than they have at recent tournaments anyway.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

True, but think of this hypothetical scenario; if you were offered 200k a week by both Emirates Marketing Project and us, would you rather go to City with Mourinho in charge, or us with Phil Brown in charge?

When you are looking at clubs with very similar status, package on offer, objectives and aspirations - even similar level of player then of course factors like the manager will come to the fore. I would suggest also playing style.

If I were a winger presented with that option then I would choose Utd without hesitation, wingers thrive there. If I were a DM? Perhaps City would suit me better...

[Edit - had read it as the two Manchesters, not us, duh!]

My point was not that a manager should be dismissed in the decision, simply that its most likely not the overbearing factor on a decision to join a club. As I said, most often players out last a manager, and also frequently have better relations with the Chief exec/chairman (as a more permanent feature)

First considerations, IMO, are money, (CL) status and where the club sits in its respective league (and the league itself)

When you reach a situation where you have a few similar choices then of course other factors come into play.

 

[ArcspacE]

r.e. Dubai

I think you're dimissing the good work Roy has done with a largerly mediocre selection of players. Arry should be challenging for the title with our bunch - we are levels above Arse bar their striker and would have to scrape to the death to finish just fudging once above them . Our best squad in 20 years and still the pain of potentially finishing behind them and would most likely end a good 25 points off first. An excellent manager would have taken us to the next level this season, imv. Especially transfer-wise.

Although perhaps that would be good enough for the FA, who knows.