Next Spurs manager mega-thread

[billyiddo]

ive only ever seen Dortmund in European games - i wasn't impressed with their football in the slightest i have to say

can't argue with his record domestically though

fair point about Rodgers and what went on before him, although he has been there two seasons almost now and i think it's fair to say he has had enough time with this team to have had a big influence on them. plus it's not like we are asking him to come here and reshape things from top to bottom - we have a strong starting XI - just need to carry on and make a few tweaks here and there

 

[Jurgen the German]

Mourinhos teams play vastly superior football to Moyes IMHO. While defensively they are impressive they also score record numbers of goals with total domination of opponents (generally)

My cocnern with Moyes, and those who advocate him, is that I see no proof whatsoever that he can adapt. He has had the time and opportunity to do so thus far and never has.

I do not believe if we signed him he will miraculously have a team playing champagne football and turning on the style.

And yet there are plenty who have the blind faith that somehow he is being forced into playing dour football by Everton and at Spurs (and the much mentioned budget involved) he would turn on the sexy football.

As I said, or as Rodgers and Lambert have said, it doesnt take money to play attractive and winning football.

Not saying he would instantly start playing fantastic football, but I definitely believe it would be much better than the way Everton play. I believe that with a much bigger budget at his disposal, he would go out and get better footballers than he does at Everton. And like I said before, he would toughen us up.

My only problem with Mourinho is the way he conducts himself during games sometimes and after the game. With the exception of the last el clasico, the way he sets his Madrid team out to stop Barca is a disgrace! Arsenal went toe to toe with Barca and beat them once, and drew with them in another game, Madrid are a much better team than Arsenal so surely they would have a better chance of beating them at playing football than Arsenal do.

You've asked me if I think Moyes would stop playing crap football at Spurs, do you believe Mourinho WOULDN'T use the same dirty tactics when we play Arsenal or United that he does with Real Madrid?

 

[Bale]

I don't care what way we play vs Arsenal or United.
Anything is better than fancy football with no backbone and then crumbling and getting our ass whooped.

Jose would turn us into a machine.

 

[Jurgen the German]

I don't care what way we play vs Arsenal or United.
Anything is better than fancy football with no backbone and then crumbling and getting our ass whooped.

Jose would turn us into a machine.

You mean you wouldn't care if our players trod on other player's hands and go down like a sack of brick every time an opponent breathes on him like Pepe does?

 

[braineclipse]

Haven't heard a whole lot about Klopp. What's his story?

3 years (4 in the summer at Dortmund, won the league last season and on course to do it again. Has brought through some very good young players, G?Âtze, Sahin and Hummels the stand out ones for me. Did so without spending much money at all and playing some excellent attacking football while being very well organized at the back.

Got his team working very hard, good solid work rate and the attacking flair from some of their young stars.

Also did well at Mainz before that, getting them into the Bundesliga for the first time, although he also got them relegated.

Should be mentioned that I don't think he signed any of the 3 players I mentioned above. And although he's made some good moves in the transfer market with players like Kagawa and Barrios he doesn't have a history of signing massive stars or really outstanding young prospects.

 

[DubaiSpur]

ive only ever seen Dortmund in European games - i wasn't impressed with their football in the slightest i have to say

can't argue with his record domestically though

fair point about Rodgers and what went on before him, although he has been there two seasons almost now and i think it's fair to say he has had enough time with this team to have had a big influence on them. plus it's not like we are asking him to come here and reshape things from top to bottom - we have a strong starting XI - just need to carry on and make a few tweaks here and there

Well, I did say he was in some measure responsible for Swansea's success; it's just how much of an effect he's actually had is open to debate. Personally, I think he's a good manager, but one who needs a bit more time to really grasp the mettle at a club with higher ambitions than Swansea, with all due respect to them. If he can stay there for a while, and make them that club, then I think he'd be a fine choice. But as of now, I'm unconvinced. If we were going to give a job to a lower-league/relatively unproven English manager, I'd prefer Nigel Adkins. But hey, ir's just my opinion.

As for Kloppo, his Dortmund side are scarily good domestically; fast, accurate and relentless. In Europe, however, especially in this year's CL, they've looked shadows of their former selves. I think it's down to not wanting to over-extend themselves too much in their first year back; after all, the last time they tried to chase the European dream they went on a disastrous run of form domestically and nearly went bankrupt. So I think they were aiming to treat this year's edition as a learning experience, and will probably make more of an impact in future editions.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

Not saying he would instantly start playing fantastic football, but I definitely believe it would be much better than the way Everton play. I believe that with a much bigger budget at his disposal, he would go out and get better footballers than he does at Everton. And like I said before, he would toughen us up.

Why? Genuine question, not trying to be difficult.

Why would Moyes have us playing better than Everton? And why is the budget even relevant?

Given that in recent times disciplinarian managers like Santini and Ramos failed totally is it even a reasonable assumption Moyes would succeed in any capacity? Let alone "toughening us up"

My only problem with Mourinho is the way he conducts himself during games sometimes and after the game. With the exception of the last el clasico, the way he sets his Madrid team out to stop Barca is a disgrace! Arsenal went toe to toe with Barca and beat them once, and drew with them in another game, Madrid are a much better team than Arsenal so surely they would have a better chance of beating them at playing football than Arsenal do.

I dont blame you, he is hardly a bastion of class and integrity is he?

You've asked me if I think Moyes would stop playing crap football at Spurs, do you believe Mourinho WOULDN'T use the same dirty tactics when we play Arsenal or United that he does with Real Madrid?

I believe Mourinho is Mourinho, same as he ever was - he certainly wouldnt change just for joining Spurs. The thing is, with him you take the bad with the good - because the "good" translates to "best"

 

[braineclipse]

Well, I did say he was in some measure responsible for Swansea's success; it's just how much of an effect he's actually had is open to debate. Personally, I think he's a good manager, but one who needs a bit more time to really grasp the mettle at a club with higher ambitions than Swansea, with all due respect to them. If he can stay there for a while, and make them that club, then I think he'd be a fine choice. But as of now, I'm unconvinced. If we were going to give a job to a lower-league/relatively unproven English manager, I'd prefer Nigel Adkins. But hey, ir's just my opinion.

As for Kloppo, his Dortmund side are scarily good domestically; fast, accurate and relentless. In Europe, however, especially in this year's CL, they've looked shadows of their former selves. I think it's down to not wanting to over-extend themselves too much in their first year back; after all, the last time they tried to chase the European dream they went on a disastrous run of form domestically and nearly went bankrupt. So I think they were aiming to treat this year's edition as a learning experience, and will probably make more of an impact in future editions.

The CL group stages was probably during their worst run of the season, they seemed to struggle to get themselves together after losing arguably their best and most influential player in Sahin during the summer and also had a couple of injury problems defensively that they don't really have the squad to cope with.

 

[Modric THFC]

Bielsa. As much as I think he's great, I'm not sure what his english is like, dont need another Ramos situation. Although I would love to see Bielsa's tactics in the prem.

Rodgers is interesting.

I would have to say Mourinho. And would take AVB too.

I love Bielsa but he wouldnt work at Spurs.
He sits his players down for 5 hours at a time to watch videos of previous games.
Our lot wouldn't know how to deal with that after having Harry as manager.

 

[billyiddo]

3 years (4 in the summer at Dortmund, won the league last season and on course to do it again. Has brought through some very good young players, G?Âtze, Sahin and Hummels the stand out ones for me. Did so without spending much money at all and playing some excellent attacking football while being very well organized at the back.

Got his team working very hard, good solid work rate and the attacking flair from some of their young stars.

Also did well at Mainz before that, getting them into the Bundesliga for the first time, although he also got them relegated.

Should be mentioned that I don't think he signed any of the 3 players I mentioned above. And although he's made some good moves in the transfer market with players like Kagawa and Barrios he doesn't have a history of signing massive stars or really outstanding young prospects.

so Dortmund gave a chance to a manager who got promotion with a small club and it worked out well for them ? If only there were options out there for us to do the same :-k

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

Well, I did say he was in some measure responsible for Swansea's success; it's just how much of an effect he's actually had is open to debate. Personally, I think he's a good manager, but one who needs a bit more time to really grasp the mettle at a club with higher ambitions than Swansea, with all due respect to them. If he can stay there for a while, and make them that club, then I think he'd be a fine choice. But as of now, I'm unconvinced. If we were going to give a job to a lower-league/relatively unproven English manager, I'd prefer Nigel Adkins. But hey, ir's just my opinion.

I think there is no denying Swansea went up a level or 3 since Rodgers appointment, regardless of the good work that came before.

They were play off contenders under Martinez and Paulo Sousa. Now they are comfortably a mid table side in the Premier League.

Its also worth considering that Rodgers worked with Mourinho at Chelsea as a coach and was very highly regarded. While it wasnt a managerial appointment, it was good experience at a top level club that many of his peers wont have.

 

[braineclipse]

so Dortmund gave a chance to a manager who got promotion with a small club and it worked out well for them ? If only there were options out there for us to do the same :-k

Klopp was at Mainz for quite a bit longer and along with his experience at Dortmund he has a lot more experience including experience at the top winning things. Of course the counter argument to that is that his experience is from German football.

To me that makes him a better option than most of those we've been linked with, but I still don't think he would leave for Dortmund to sign for us.

 

[billyiddo]

Klopp was at Mainz for quite a bit longer and along with his experience at Dortmund he has a lot more experience including experience at the top winning things. Of course the counter argument to that is that his experience is from German football.

To me that makes him a better option than most of those we've been linked with, but I still don't think he would leave for Dortmund to sign for us.

my point was more that Dortmund, one of the biggest clubs in Germany, took the chance on an unproven (at the highest level) manager who had obviously shown he had potential whilst working for a small club.

everyone is falling over themselves to put forward a name of an established manager from the continent - when there are plenty of options here in England we could be looking at

 

[The Moonlit Knight]

When the fudge did Redknapp leave?

 

[Gutter Boy]

When the fudge did Redknapp leave?

About three and a half weeks ago by the looks of things.

 

[The Moonlit Knight]

About three and a half weeks ago by the looks of things.

Only in your dreams. Let's get in that wonderful manager AVB. He did so well at Chelsea (who should be winning the league with the players they have) :lol:

 

[Gutter Boy]

my point was more that Dortmund, one of the biggest clubs in Germany, took the chance on an unproven (at the highest level) manager who had obviously shown he had potential whilst working for a small club.

everyone is falling over themselves to put forward a name of an established manager from the continent - when there are plenty of options here in England we could be looking at

But the Gerry Francis/Alan Curbishley/Roy Hodgson route tends to be less successful than bringing in a proven top level champion from another country.

 

[Bale]

Nope.
If we win then I don't care how we do it.

Pepe is a world class CB, If he was available then I would love to see him at WHL.

 

[billyiddo]

But the Gerry Francis/Alan Curbishley/Roy Hodgson route tends to be less successful than bringing in a proven top level champion from another country.

i don't think Curbishley and Hodgson are comparable to some of the younger managers in the game at the moment.

 

[The Moonlit Knight]

i don't think Curbishley and Hodgson are comparable to some of the younger managers in the game at the moment.

Not to mention the problem is most teams won't give those sort of Managers a chance to shine now. There is only so much you can do with a minnow in the modern era, no matter how good you are.

Mancini won a couple of titles in Italy didn't he? He may even win a couple with City. I don't rate Mancini higher than Redknapp.