Next Spurs manager mega-thread

[milo]

Redknapp has responsibility for football matters, he has appointed the coaching staff, with the exception of Broomfield.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

[in respect of transfers] Levy looks after a budget. negotiates and signs players. players the management team as a whole decide upon.

Comolli when in charge did exactly that. The only players I believe he bought indedpendantly were youth. and we are doing ok in that respect without him

 

[milo]

[in respect of transfers] Levy looks after a budget. negotiates and signs players. players the management team as a whole decide upon.

Comolli when in charge did exactly that. The only players I believe he bought indedpendantly were youth. and we are doing ok in that respect without him

Levy and Redknapp have pretty traditional chairman/manager roles. The difference with having a DoF is that there is someone in the middle with their own views and role to justify.

The summer that we signed Kaboul and Taraabt was a great example of the DoF system not working. Jol wanted players who could go straight into the team (Petrov and Dunn) but instead we signed players with promise but who were not ready for the first team. This was one of the first things that Redknapp put right.

 

[EJG]

I think Jurgen was slightly unlucky with the Munich job. He got sacked with a few games of the season left when they were in second place in the league and only three points off top spot. Could easily have won the league if they'd let him finish the season. His only loss in the CL that season was when Munich were knocked out by Barcelona. Considering it was his first season of club management that isn't a disaster. Don't know what he was like as a man manager though, maybe that caused him some problems.

I would prefer Hiddink though, I think we need someone with a lot of experience to come in and keep things going (IF Harry leaves). Hiddink as manager with Jurgen as his number two, being groomed to take over, wouldn't be too bad

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

Levy and Redknapp have pretty traditional chairman/manager roles. The difference with having a DoF is that there is someone in the middle with their own views and role to justify.

The summer that we signed Kaboul and Taraabt was a great example of the DoF system not working. Jol wanted players who could go straight into the team (Petrov and Dunn) but instead we signed players with promise but who were not ready for the first team. This was one of the first things that Redknapp put right.

Jol also said, a number of times, that he, Levy, Comolli and the scout all reviewed and decided upon targets together.

I suspect its a very similar story with Levy, Redknapp, Broomfield and Technical Tim these days.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

I think Jurgen was slightly unlucky with the Munich job. He got sacked with a few games of the season left when they were in second place in the league and only three points off top spot. Could easily have won the league if they'd let him finish the season. His only loss in the CL that season was when Munich were knocked out by Barcelona. Considering it was his first season of club management that isn't a disaster. Don't know what he was like as a man manager though, maybe that caused him some problems.

I remember stories about him making sure the trainging ground was feng-shue compliant and that there were areas for meditation as well as a buddha for good karma...

Reminded me of hoddle if Im honest lol

 

[EJG]

I remember stories about him making sure the trainging ground was feng-shue compliant and that there were areas for meditation as well as a buddha for good karma...

Reminded me of hoddle if Im honest lol

Bah, that's what comes of moving to California, they've corrupted his logical and efficient German ways

Stories like that would definitely make you think twice about bringing him in as a boss though. Things could be going well then he could suddenly start dropping a player cause their star sign was wrong.

 

[milo]

Jol also said, a number of times, that he, Levy, Comolli and the scout all reviewed and decided upon targets together.

I suspect its a very similar story with Levy, Redknapp, Broomfield and Technical Tim these days.

What was Jol meant to say?

I think the change in transfer policy since the change in structure and Redknapp came in speaks volumes. We have largely signed round pegs for round holes and sort to strengthen in the areas where we were weakest, this was something that we consistently failed to do when Comolli was DoF.

I'm sure that Redknapp and Levy meet with the scouts to discuss targets. This does not make Levy a DoF.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

Exactly. Ive no idea how true they were but mud sticks. And it does kind of validate the idea Loew was the main man in the German set up - they just used Klinsmann as a PR front...

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

What was Jol meant to say?

I think the change in transfer policy since the change in structure and Redknapp came in speaks volumes. We have largely signed round pegs for round holes and sort to strengthen in the areas where we were weakest, this was something that we consistently failed to do when Comolli was DoF.

I'm sure that Redknapp and Levy meet with the scouts to discuss targets. This does not make Levy a DoF.

I havent said it does.

All I have tried to illustrate is that there are very fine margins between any number of management set ups.

That, ultimately, the set up doesnt matter - only the people do.

Look at any team in the league, I bet you will find:
Someone in charge of the money
Someone in charge of the team
Someone in charge of scouting players
Someone in charge of the youth set up/academy/getting in prospects
Someone looking at a longer term view/strategy

Also that all of these people/roles work on which target to buy and actually making it happen.

All of these roles fit within a dof structure, within a traditional structure, within an operation relying on a chief exec....

So basically the structure isnt the primary concern at all. And that those (IMO) crying "We should never go back to a DOF" are being quite ignorant.

Of course, if they were to say "We should never go back to Damien Comolli as a DOF" I would say they were spot on lol

 

[EJG]

Exactly. Ive no idea how true they were but mud sticks. And it does kind of validate the idea Loew was the main man in the German set up - they just used Klinsmann as a PR front...

Lowe has done a brilliant job with Germany, I've got a tenner on them to win Euro 2012. I was wondering how well he'd do as a club coach so I looked him up on wikipedia and before going to Germany as assistant boss his record was pretty average looking, apart from his time at Stuttgart. Yet since he's been Germany boss they've been a fantastic side.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

Some people are just suited to certain situations.

Look at Capello, his club record is incredible. As an international manager I think he is woefully inadequate (and yes, I am aware of his win %)

 

[EJG]

Very true.

Bah, all this would be so much simpler if there we could just keep Harry. Could we kidnap Jamie to try and blackmail him into staying? No, scrap that, we should kidnap Louise. "No more leering at her at family get-togethers until you turn down England!!".

 

[chancer]

The Mirror today suggested that Klinsmann could be one of the potential candidates for the Spurs job - would you be happy with that?

My major concern is that we find someone who will let the team keep doing what it is doing.

Whilst I would favour a real top end guy like JM or Hiddink, I would not be closed to the idea of Klinsmann because I sense he is of a generation that might be more open to allowing Spurs continue to play so freely. It would be a risk, but a risk with that specific purpose in mind. There a kind of youthfulness to Klinsmann that seems to rhyme with the current culture at Spurs.

 

[milo]

Whoever comes in needs to win the respect of the players immediately. We will find it even harder to hold on to Modric this summer with a manager that he has no bond with.

For all the talk of us having a great squad and this being a really attractive job, this is potentially really tough and the incoming manager risks damaging their reputation.

Redknapp has got the best out of virtually every player in the squad, they play well as a unit and there is little or no dissent. There is a big risk that an incoming manager is incapable of keeping this going.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

We had a manager leave here at work some months ago.

He was by far and away the best manager the dept had seen in some years, and his loss was keenly felt.

It took the company a while to get a replacement in, and when the new chap arrived none of us had heard of him and his CV didnt sound the most exciting.

It took a single conversation with him to realise he was a top notch manager, excellent in fact, and that the departed managers loss wasnt going to be felt as badly at all.

 

[milo]

We had a manager leave here at work some months ago.

He was by far and away the best manager the dept had seen in some years, and his loss was keenly felt.

It took the company a while to get a replacement in, and when the new chap arrived none of us had heard of him and his CV didnt sound the most exciting.

It took a single conversation with him to realise he was a top notch manager, excellent in fact, and that the departed managers loss wasnt going to be felt as badly at all.

That's good but as a rule it is harder to take over someone else's team performing at the very top of their game and maintaining the success, than on it is building it from scratch.

I think that one of the reasons that AVB was leaving Lampard out was to stamp his authority on the dressing room. It'd be a shame to see someone do the same with this squad but it is almost inevitable that there will be casualties.

 

[nayimfromthehalfwayline]

My point was that simply meeting the man was enough for him to gain my respect.

I dont see why it would be any different on a football training ground

 

[billyiddo]

My point was that simply meeting the man was enough for him to gain my respect.

I dont see why it would be any different on a football training ground

it wouldn't

good analogy above btw

 

[milo]

My point was that simply meeting the man was enough for him to gain my respect.

I dont see why it would be any different on a football training ground

Hopefully it won't.

My point was that Redknapp is widely acknowledged as being an excellent motivator and has undoubtedly got this group of players play the best football of their careers. It is going to be difficult for anyone to come in and maintain that, let alone get them to make another step up.

Tough but not impossible.