Next Manager?

[BrainOfLevy]

Have they got it wrong?
I mean that’s tried to do a deal but I didn’t work out as we couldn’t meet his demands
I’m glad as it means we haven’t panicked to keep fans happy and we will get a manager in who cab and will work within the constraints

I agree with you, in that if we are going to be a top 6 side with financial constraints and a need to bring through young players, we need a different kind of coach.

My problem is that for a week we decided to act like a club who were serious about winning. The kind of club who could keep Kane believing that it’s worth his while to stay here. We pumped the story up, and then the deal fell down for entirely predictable reasons. I have no problem talking to Conte to see if he might fancy something different. I have a problem with how the club conducted themselves.

 

[DubSpur]

Just to be clear, I’m not a kid that needs to learn not to ‘believe everything you read.’

I’m making a specific point about the club’s use of the press and PR to create the impression that they are more ambitious than they actually are. I think it’s a repeated pattern from our owners because it benefits them, and it’s free.

And I wouldn’t care so much, because I agree that all clubs do it, all clubs play the game and benefit from links from time to time. But our club is in the quite unique position in this country of repeatedly being linked with players or coaches that we know our above our station, and where I don’t think there is ever a realistic possibility of getting it done. To waste a week talking to Conte and to brief talks were progressing well only for it to fall down to entirely predictable reasons looks completely amateurish. We do it time and time again. It’s worse because it’s a false impression. Other clubs actually do follow through. We have so many examples of not actually doing it. Which means our use of PR is empty spin, and it feels more manipulative to me.

I think it looks like they are taking the fans for a ride. I think they know exactly how the PR would
work and unfortunately, to @thfcsteff ’s point, it’s either totally amateurish and someone at the club got carried away, or there is something more cynical behind it. You may not want to agree, and may think the club doesn’t try and play the game just like every other institution would, but I’m telling you beyond this forum there is a significant proportion of Spurs fans that feel ENIC can’t be trusted. That is a problem for them, and stuff like this doesn’t help.

How on earth does it benefit us to use the media like this?? Fans believe the story, get all hyped up and then feel let down and are disgruntled.
There is absolutely zero benefit to the club doing this.

Maybe the club thought that Contes demands would be reasonable due to Covid and he had mentioned before about wanting to build a legacy at a club.
If his demands weren't reasonable then it was right to walk away. And I doubt it was a wasted week, there would've been other contacts going on as well.

 

[Legohamster]

Our DOF hasn't even started in his role yet, and the point of one is to work alongside the manager surely. I'm not saying the manager should have the over riding decision, but he should be involved in the process. You think a top top manager would accept having no input into the staff he is working with? That makes no sense.

The players in question could want away whatever.

 

[DubSpur]

I agree with you, in that if we are going to be a top 6 side with financial constraints and a need to bring through young players, we need a different kind of coach.

My problem is that for a week we decided to act like a club who were serious about winning. The kind of club who could keep Kane believing that it’s worth his whole to stay here. We pumped the story up, and then the deal fell down for entirely predictable reasons. I have no problem talking to Conte to see if he might fancy something different. I have a problem with how the club conducted themselves.

What was wrong with how they conducted themselves? They talked to a potential manager and it didn't work out, the same way other clubs do.

 

[harr1984]

Just to be clear, I’m not a kid that needs to learn not to ‘believe everything you read.’

I’m making a specific point about the club’s use of the press and PR to create the impression that they are more ambitious than they actually are. I think it’s a repeated pattern from our owners because it benefits them, and it’s free.

And I wouldn’t care so much, because I agree that all clubs do it, all clubs play the game and benefit from links from time to time. But our club is in the quite unique position in this country of repeatedly being linked with players or coaches that we know our above our station, and where I don’t think there is ever a realistic possibility of getting it done. To waste a week talking to Conte and to brief talks were progressing well only for it to fall down to entirely predictable reasons looks completely amateurish. We do it time and time again. It’s worse because it’s a false impression. Other clubs actually do follow through. We have so many examples of not actually doing it. Which means our use of PR is empty spin, and it feels more manipulative to me.

I think it looks like they are taking the fans for a ride. I think they know exactly how the PR would
work and unfortunately, to @thfcsteff ’s point, it’s either totally amateurish and someone at the club got carried away, or there is something more cynical behind it. You may not want to agree, and may think the club doesn’t try and play the game just like every other institution would, but I’m telling you beyond this forum there is a significant proportion of Spurs fans that feel ENIC can’t be trusted. That is a problem for them, and stuff like this doesn’t help.

You’re making a massive drama over something that’s really not that big a deal. We had talks with a coach, and decided he’s not for us. This ‘PR disaster’ line you’re trying to spin is nonsense. Come the start of the season our talks with Conte won’t be getting a mention, I remember loads of clubs having talks with managers and players that have fallen through but I can’t remember any of them. Why? Because in the grand scheme of things it’s not a big deal, gets spoken about for a few days and then the footballing world moves onto the next big story. Seriously, get over it…..

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I agree with you, in that if we are going to be a top 6 side with financial constraints and a need to bring through young players, we need a different kind of coach.

My problem is that for a week we decided to act like a club who were serious about winning. The kind of club who could keep Kane believing that it’s worth his whole to stay here. We pumped the story up, and then the deal fell down for entirely predictable reasons. I have no problem talking to Conte to see if he might fancy something different. I have a problem with how the club conducted themselves.

The press pumped the story up
It’s big news TBF
Tottenham trying to get in a great manager.
I don’t think the club have done anything wrong. The club haven’t made a comment
The press have done everything they need to sell clicks

 

[Mikey10]

Come the start of the season our talks with Conte won’t be getting a mention

Lose the first couple of games - with, say, Graham Potter or Scott Parker in charge - and I think we’d be hearing a lot about it.

 

[parklane1]

You’re making a massive drama over something that’s really not that big a deal. We had talks with a coach, and decided he’s not for us. This ‘PR disaster’ line you’re trying to spin is nonsense. Come the start of the season our talks with Conte won’t be getting a mention, I remember loads of clubs having talks with managers and players that have fallen through but I can’t remember any of them. Why? Because in the grand scheme of things it’s not a big deal, gets spoken about for a few days and then the footballing world moves onto the next big story. Seriously, get over it…..

No he will never do that, he wants others to believe in his strange way of seeing it and wants others to accept his assumptions.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

You’re making a massive drama over something that’s really not that big a deal. We had talks with a coach, and decided he’s not for us. This ‘PR disaster’ line you’re trying to spin is nonsense. Come the start of the season our talks with Conte won’t be getting a mention, I remember loads of clubs having talks with managers and players that have fallen through but I can’t remember any of them. Why? Because in the grand scheme of things it’s not a big deal, gets spoken about for a few days and then the footballing world moves onto the next big story. Seriously, get over it…..

I’m not saying it’s a PR disaster. I’m almost saying the opposite!

I just don’t think people want to engage with the substance of what I’m saying, because it has to start with some level of acceptance that even though the club might not comment on the record, they will still be working various channels to get the kinds of stories they want out there. They employ a senior PR person on the executive team. If we can’t accept this as a basic premise, we can’t have a serious discussion about it.

I don’t need to ‘get over’ anything. I don’t think it’s a PR disaster. I am fed up with our owners using the media to create the impression they are more ambitious than they actually are.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

No he will never do that, he wants others to believe in his strange way of seeing it and wants others to accept his assumptions.

Again, in the grand scheme of things across the Spurs fan base, this small pocket on Glory Glory is one of the only places with a relentless pro-Levy, pro-ENIC slant. My assumptions are not strange to a significant proportion of the fan base, because a lot of people are seeing it that way. And again, I’m not saying the majority has a right to be right, but I am saying a lot of people don’t think ENIC can be trusted.

 

[parklane1]

Again, in the grand scheme of things across the Spurs fan base, this small pocket on Glory Glory is one of the only places with a relentless pro-Levy, pro-ENIC slant. My assumptions are not strange to a significant proportion of the fan base, because a lot of people are seeing it that way. And again, I’m not saying the majority has a right to be right, but I am saying a lot of people don’t think ENIC can be trusted.

So are you saying you want to convert those on here to you way of seeing things.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

So are you saying you want to convert those on here to you way of seeing things.

I enjoy debating it to a point. If we can’t accept the basic premise that the club are just as likely to use the media for their own ends as any institution would though, there is no way to having a serious discussion about it. There’s a group of people here who think the club does no wrong whatsoever, and I don’t care if they continue to believe that.

 

[parklane1]

I enjoy debating it to a point. If we can’t accept the basic premise that the club are just as likely to use the media for their own ends as any institution would though, there is no way to having a serious discussion about it. There’s a group of people here who think the club does no wrong whatsoever, and I don’t care if they continue to believe that.

To be honest i do not think there is ANYONE one here that thinks that the club do not do wrong things. But you are like a dog with a bone over nothing more then your assumptions. And you know what they same about assume.

 

[metalgear]

Levy made us so

You people have gone loopy

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[Bedfordspurs]

Lose the first couple of games - with, say, Graham Potter or Scott Parker in charge - and I think we’d be hearing a lot about it.

100%
But lose with conte and it would be louder
Especially as he is ex Chelsea
We can’t IMO get in a manager with any baggage. Again that was something Poch had the benefit of and it gave him some breathing space and slack

 

[DeanoAustin]

You’re making a massive drama over something that’s really not that big a deal. We had talks with a coach, and decided he’s not for us. This ‘PR disaster’ line you’re trying to spin is nonsense. Come the start of the season our talks with Conte won’t be getting a mention, I remember loads of clubs having talks with managers and players that have fallen through but I can’t remember any of them. Why? Because in the grand scheme of things it’s not a big deal, gets spoken about for a few days and then the footballing world moves onto the next big story. Seriously, get over it…..

We've clearly tried to get Poch and Conte. The potential for press exaggeration aside, no one can credibly doubt that we pursued both, made contact and talks broke down.

With Conte everything points to him wanting more/better resources than we were willing to offer. If we thought Conte would come in without looking for significant investment, we haven't been paying attention to how he operates which infers a degree of incompetence on our behalf.

To so publicly court two big name managers means you have to deliver a big name manager or you have a disgruntled fan base. I can't think of a club that's been so strongly linked with two big names, to the point that enquiries and talks are confirmed to have happened, and the club ends up with a Graham Potter level manager (if that's what happens).

This circus has also heaped massive pressure on the club and weakened it's negotiating position. Next manager we speak to, particularly if its a big name, knows the club can't afford another public embarrassment. The PR battle matters and you can be sure Levy knows that as well as anyone. His reputation has taken a hammering over the last 3 months or so.

The reasons behind the Conte situation particularly have an echo of every criticism levelled at our owners over the years. We'll talk big but when it comes to bricking or getting off the pot, we just get off the pot. When it happens time after time, eventually you've got to question the owners. That time has come for me. I'm not saying I want them out, I've been a staunch Levy fan, but if ENIC don't deliver a top manager, I'm struggling to stay in their corner.

Worst of all, by taking the approach we've taken, we've badly tainted an appointment like Potter who I think is a really good coach.

1. Why would he come when he's 4th or 5th choice?
2. If we get into serious negotiations with him, his hand is strengthened. Imagine the fallout if Graham Potter rejects us.
3. By raising fan expectations, a Potter appointment will be greeted with severe disappointment at best by the fan base. He'll look like the bargain basement appointment whereas if we'd gone and got him to start with we could have sold it as a project appointment.

It's a complete clusterfudge by the club and we can blame the press or whoever but no serious club continually ends up with such a disparity between their ambitions and the reality when it comes to this sort of stuff.

 

[BrainOfLevy]

To be honest i do not think there is ANYONE one here that thinks that the club do not do wrong things. But you are like a dog with a bone over nothing more then your assumptions. And you know what they same about assume.

I’m sorry but just because I have an opposite opinion to the majority on this particular subject, I don’t think it means I need to be shouted down about it, told to stop talking about it. As if it’s heresy to question Levy on these things on here.

 

[billyiddo]

I’m sorry but just because I have an opposite opinion to the majority on this particular subject, I don’t think it means I need to be shouted down about it, told to stop talking about it. As if it’s heresy to question Levy on these things on here.

Your opinion is the majority from what I've seen

 

[BrainOfLevy]

Your opinion is the majority from what I've seen

I was talking about on this forum.

 

[scaramanga]

Just to be clear, I’m not a kid that needs to learn not to ‘believe everything you read.’

I’m making a specific point about the club’s use of the press and PR to create the impression that they are more ambitious than they actually are. I think it’s a repeated pattern from our owners because it benefits them, and it’s free.

And I wouldn’t care so much, because I agree that all clubs do it, all clubs play the game and benefit from links from time to time. But our club is in the quite unique position in this country of repeatedly being linked with players or coaches that we know our above our station, and where I don’t think there is ever a realistic possibility of getting it done. To waste a week talking to Conte and to brief talks were progressing well only for it to fall down to entirely predictable reasons looks completely amateurish. We do it time and time again. It’s worse because it’s a false impression. Other clubs actually do follow through. We have so many examples of not actually doing it. Which means our use of PR is empty spin, and it feels more manipulative to me.

I think it looks like they are taking the fans for a ride. I think they know exactly how the PR would
work and unfortunately, to @thfcsteff ’s point, it’s either totally amateurish and someone at the club got carried away, or there is something more cynical behind it. You may not want to agree, and may think the club doesn’t try and play the game just like every other institution would, but I’m telling you beyond this forum there is a significant proportion of Spurs fans that feel ENIC can’t be trusted. That is a problem for them, and stuff like this doesn’t help.

Or it leaked from the other side and the club couldn't flat out lie to the few friendly journos we have when asked a direct question.