Because City had told him to sit tight until the summer and they would come in with wages we couldn't match. Are you really that naïve about what goes on?
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Next Manager?
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It looks like we're lurching because the narrative switches from 'Spurs are talking to Conte/ETH/Poch' to 'SPURS ARE DEFO APPOINTING THEM IN THE NEXT 5 MINUTES' as soon as the info is out there that's who we're talking to - maybe they'd be better off not leaking anything at all and avoiding the nehative optics but it's not really going to stay underwraps for long as we're only one half of the situation with the prospective candidate and his entourage being the other - it'll always come out at least this way, we know to a certain degree who we have spoken to.
It may all be a ruse to show ambition but i just refuse to believe anyone would expect anything good to come from that if the intention was always to go with a lower tiered manager - it isn't like with transfers, (most) people move on from those stories pretty quickly.
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You could probably do them stories about any club. How many times over the last 6 years have utd been in for kane, or bale, or sancho? Neymar back to barca? Mbappe to madrid.
There maybe some truth, there might not. But do not believe a thing is happening until you see them signing with the shirt. Otherwise it's not the clubs fault you get upset. It's yours.
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
The difference is, United actually put their money where their mouth is. They’ll go balls out for Pogba even though they lost him for free. They’ll pay a record fee for a defender in Maguire.
The point I am making, to you, @DubSpur and @billyiddo , is that you surely have to admit these stories look completely uncharacteristic for the club when you compare it to the actions that have actually been taken and seen through. There was not a chance in hell we actually thought we could get Aguero if City were in for him, and his agent would have been telling him that as well as us. But it fits a pattern of leaking fantastical stories to make us look ambitious, more ambitious than we actually are. There are so many of them that it fits a pattern.
You could do the same for any club. A big name relative to the club generates click bate. You only see it for Spurs because that is what you concentrate on but it is there for every single club. The issue is yours, not the clubs.
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
But it literally didn’t do that with ETH or Potter. The heat never got turned up with them. They were linked, people probably assumed there were talks, no biggie.
The heat got turned up with Poch and Conte because good journos respected for their links to the club were talking about them as THE targets. That comes from the club. And I would say, on Glory Glory there is still a fundamentally pro-ENIC slant, but almost everywhere else Spurs fans are discussing this, they absolutely believe that the club might have done this to boost the season ticket renewals. This place is an outlier in that respect.
The argument against it seems to be ‘Nooo, the club would not use the media in that way’, which frankly I just find naive. Any institution that relies on the support of a fan base will use the media.
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
I absolutely would have spoken to both.
Would I have let the deal fall down for reasons we would have known about before picking up the phone, after briefing he was our front runner? No. Amateur is what it looks like.
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
But again, my point is it is not UNCHARACTERISTIC for United to be linked to that kind of player, because they actually make those kind of signings. It is for Spurs, to be looking to spend that much money on that type of profile. And it fits a pattern of the club doing it.
Does anyone not look at these stories with the slightest bit of intrigue, given the difference between what the story says and how Spurs usually operate?
No one knows who these guys are outside of Spurs messageboards, they aren't respected journos - not sure such a thing exists in Football tbh
You're jumping to conclusions to suit your agenda mate, i don't see the club leaking anything as being close (wrt to a manager appointment) if they expect it to fall apart and end up looking stupid in the process, just defies logic - who's impressed by managers we miss out on? No one, so why leak it?? It's who we get and how we back them thereafter that will show the supporters whether we mean busuness or not.
Mate, you need to cool off the conspiracy theories .. this board is starting to resemble crazy town.
Sergio Aquero & City in 2011 were not what they are/have been for last 7 or 8 years, he was a 1 in 3 striker in La Liga, it wasn't Pep.
The fact that people think Levy/ENIC/Donna "leak" fake stories to appease fans is fudging hilarious
- You think executives at a half a billion dollar enterprise sit at a table and say "let's call up a few journalists and pretend we are ambitious, but not follow through on it, that will really impress the fans" They don't fudging care mate, and they can't, they have to make the best decision for the club and if anyone thinks they talked to Conte in negotiations for days to "pretend to be ambitious", it's time to take some meds ..
Players and managers have agents, they often will say brick to keep their clients in the news
Sometimes the club does inquire, would you be interested? would this player be available?
The fact that supporters (and even media) believe the club has one manager target and x player they were going after time and time again says it all.
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
Your first point is just…not what I was saying. Obviously I’m talking about how much they can be trusted with respect to Spurs news. Those 3 can be. Come on.
To your second point: season ticket renewals.
I don’t think I am jumping to conclusions by understanding that PR is a thing, that we employ a senior PR person at the club who reports to Levy, and that the owners may use that to benefit their position. It’s happened more than enough times now, deals falling apart to factors that either don’t make sense or that could have been predicted before the negotiation started. But for those brief moments, the fan base thinks this time things might really be different. I certainly did…ten pages ago.
And really, whether or not you agree with me, as far as I can see are the one in the much smaller minority of Spurs fans right now, as it relates to the reaction to this news and the views on Levy and ENIC in general. Of course a majority doesn’t have a right to be right, but whether or not you agree with me, many more people are coming around to some of these ideas and it’s going to be a thing ENIC need to deal with. A large section of the fans are not on their side right now - the end of season walk around a case in point.
You’re absolutely right, it is who we get and who we back that shows how serious we are. And there’s a clear drop off between Conte and Poch, and anyone else. The argument that it’s just a few fans being paranoid doesn’t hold up. It’s a problem for ENIC that so many people think they are not to be trusted.
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
Look, you need to explain why they employ Donna if you’re going to keep up the idea that they don’t care about PR.
Of course it wasn’t a fake story. Of course they actually met Conte. I’m sure they went through the motions before arriving at the conclusion the average fan could have gotten to anyway. But I don’t need to cool it with anything.
Ok if it was about season tickets why would we go from poch to conte? Poch would be more likely to get people to renew their season tickets than conte. So why not just leak that we were in talks with poch still?
Or could it just be that we saw an possibility to bring in a very good manager. We talked to him but his demands weren't something we were prepared to meet so we move on.
Have a look around, donnarumma, is still looking for a club because his wage demands are too high. Covid has changed things, clubs aren't in the same financial position as they were a year ago. Madrid didn't spend anything last summer, they brought in £94m in sales though.
The landscape has changed, i think spurs will spend some money but it will be in the £50m range. Maybe conte didn't think that was enough and wanted more i dunno. Maybe we have to sell to buy like most clubs.
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BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
I am quite sure we absolutely talked to Conte, and absolutely talked to Poch. I’m also quite sure Conte’s demands were too much for our club. What doesn’t make sense is why that became apparent at the end of the negotiations, not right at the very start?
To be clear, I’m not saying the story was fake. I’m saying it was a dalliance that was blindingly obvious to not work out. We pretended for a moment that we might make a move to get a world class manager in, and then we didn’t. But it probably didn’t harm the idea of the club to be linked with such people.
DeanoAustin
Jimmy McCormick
Broadly speaking, I'm with you on the read of this. The one place we differ is the ST renewals. Why on earth would the club damage their reputation for ST renewals when they have a waiting list as long as your arm and were never in any danger of not getting a fully subscribed ST sale?
And what fan, who has followed this club for any period of time, would make their decision on whether or not to renew based on press talk about who the next manager will be. I'd kill for a ST whether Poch was the manager or it was Ryan Mason.
I agree the timing is coincidental again but it's the summer. Correlation doesn't equal causation and it would be incredibly short sighted of the club to set the supporters up for a fall for one years worth of season ticket sales.
Far too Machiavellian for my taste.
BrainOfLevy
Michael Carrick
You may well be right. But I wouldn’t be surprised if season ticket renewals are one of the key metrics we present to banks in order to get loans at a favourable rate. It’s more predictable, longer term revenue, and if we showed a slowing growth rate / higher churn rate on renewals, maybe that means our story to banks doesn’t hold up quite as well?
It might not have been that. It might just be an opportunistic play to make us look ambitious ala Aguero / Dybala, where we get the free press and don’t actually need to follow through (which helps keep a wider group of fans believing ENIC are ambitious with zero outside investment). But the timing is coincidental at a minimum, but either way I’m kinda sick of getting really hyped up about the idea that we are about to be properly ambitious (as I was ten pages ago) only to see it not actually work out. These episodes say a lot about our standing in the game, and our ambition. And I go back to the idea that the reasons for not closing Conte just don’t make sense, because we should have known those reasons before picking up the phone. It goes entirely against the Spurs DNA statement made only 2-3 weeks ago.
RigorMortis
Kevin Scott
I find it truly bizarre that despite such evidence to the contrary people make excuses for our shambolic owners.
This happens again and again with Spurs, we never push things over the line.
We see these stories and in the end we know it won’t get done.
luckily the posters in this forum appear to be the minority now and more and more Tottenham fans are opening their eyes to what ENIC are, owners who appear content to muddle a long as long as their investment keeps on making money. They either don’t have the ability or the inclination ( or both) to push further and these little stories that come out are IMO pushed to keep fans on side, look we tried but A, B or C happened and we couldn’t get it over the line. add Hazard and Fernandes to that list. Look at the Grealish saga as well.
Levy gets plaudits for wrangling five million or so extra from United for Berbatov by trying to sell him to City, you know what I’d rather have had, that he created a competitive and upwardly mobile football club where the best players will want to stay or at least move on when they have achieved their goals here, instead we continuously see our players want to leave because they feel the club lacks ambition.
Tottenham under ENIC do not want to push that extra mile to become a truly op club, they do want to be thought of one once in a while though.
Yet at the same time we see a chairman who sees fit to pay himself the highest salary for a chairman and charge the highest ticket prices in Europe ( which I assume at least in football terms also means the world)
Great stuff
RigorMortis
Kevin Scott
RigorMortis
Kevin Scott
See the difference here is I dont think he tried, he knew this would never come to fruition because he wasn’t really in the position to offer what Conte wanted. When you buy a house, the house doesn’t need to be want to be bought by you as well, in this case you needdd two to tango and Levy knew he wasn’t in a position to offer a truly ambitious manager the environment where he could achieve his goals.
