Next Manager?

[milo]

Flip-flopping from Hitchen’s shortlist to the Conte debacle is not “operating like you have a DoF”. @fernadez makes a completely fair point: while the club gives every impression of not knowing what it is up to and being open to absolutely anything, snap decisions on player transfers are a little perturbing. @milo said something sensible elsewhere about cashing in on Moura if we’re reverting to possession football; the problem is that the club could pick anyone with a plausible CV and a nice smile who prefers counterattacking.

That's one of the key problem for me with this situation. Levy set out what he was looking for in a manager towards the end of the season, it seemed like sensible criteria. He then rips that up to pursue a big name who didn't meet any of them.

 

[billyiddo]

Our DOF hasn't even started in his role yet, and the point of one is to work alongside the manager surely. I'm not saying the manager should have the over riding decision, but he should be involved in the process. You think a top top manager would accept having no input into the staff he is working with? That makes no sense.

Selling fringe players without a manager in place doesn't mean whoever eventually gets the job has no input in to staff he is working with though. This is common behaviour from clubs across the board who have that kind of technical director/director of football setup.

Edit : we know how long deals we're involved in can take to finalise - you think maybe it might pay to get potential deals rolling early rather than waiting to act once a manager is appointed?

 

[ShipOfTheseus]

Maybe the club are just sounding out offers on certain players more likely to be moved on so that when the new manager is in, along with the DoF, they already have some of the leg work done? If they were substantive rumours about selling Son or NDombele or Lo Celso or players of that ilk I’d be a bit more concerned perhaps. But no one has actually been sold as yet.

Yeah, fair point. Could be a trifle destabilising for the fringe players involved, but presumably they are used to that sort of thing. And I’ll grant that there isn’t a huge chance of some tyro management genius rocking up with a masterplan for building the team round Winks (facing sideways at all times to confound the opposition with aggressive lateral passing, say).

 

[Lilbaz]

Our DOF hasn't even started in his role yet, and the point of one is to work alongside the manager surely. I'm not saying the manager should have the over riding decision, but he should be involved in the process. You think a top top manager would accept having no input into the staff he is working with? That makes no sense.

If we are getting in a dof we wont have a manager though. We'll have a head coach. He will have a say in what areas need strengthening. The scouts will then find players of that ilk to present. The coach will have a say and what players he likes but at the end of the day it will be the dof's choice.

Watch the film money ball. The dof is brad pitt. Hichen will be like the jonah hill character and the coach will be phillip seymore hoffman.

 

[billyiddo]

That's one of the key problem for me with this situation. Levy set out what he was looking for in a manager towards the end of the season, it seemed like sensible criteria. He then rips that up to pursue a big name who didn't meet any of them.

These are the points we should be worried about, stuff that's beyond reasonable doubt to have actually happened - no guess work, no leaps in logic, no conspiracy etc

Levy set his stall out with a direct message regarding the type of manager we were looking to appoint - it followed the names that we were being linked heavily with and all but confirmed by the Ally Gold crowd, Nagelsmann, ETH, Poch - we then target a manager who appears to be the opposite of that - so where's the plan there? That's a fair complaint and one i have myself - although more than a few people have been at pains to tell us that Conte would be a fantastic appointment, so who knows?

 

[milo]

These are the points we should be worried about, stuff that's beyond reasonable doubt to have actually happened - no guess work, no leaps in logic, no conspiracy etc

Levy set his stall out with a direct message regarding the type of manager we were looking to appoint - it followed the names that we were being linked heavily with and all but confirmed by the Ally Gold crowd, Nagelsmann, ETH, Poch - we then target a manager who appears to be the opposite of that - so where's the plan there? That's a fair complaint and one i have myself - although more than a few people have been at pains to tell us that Conte would be a fantastic appointment, so who knows?

That and the club leaking the Conte and Poch stuff to the press are my major criticisms.

I think that Conte is undoubtedly an excellent manager. I am not sure that he was ever going to be a good fit for us and I can't help but think that we've dodged a bullet, as all of this could've come to a head at a far worse time.

 

[SteveAWOL]

Jeez I'm kicking myself now, I waded through 30 pages of utter crap to see if anything interesting had happened, and it is just the same people having the same toxic discussion over and over.

Last night I listened to a podcast from last year, with Pochettino explaining his methods of man management and how he can sense people's positivity level from their handshake

It's worth a listen, although as usual Poch waffles on in vague terms about emotion and magic, so as usual I fell asleep and had to listen again this morning.

ICYMI here’s the video should you wish to observe his body language…

 

[billyiddo]

That and the club leaking the Conte and Poch stuff to the press are my major criticisms.

I think that Conte is undoubtedly an excellent manager. I am not sure that he was ever going to be a good fit for us and I can't help but think that we've dodged a bullet, as all of this could've come to a head at a far worse time.

Idk the timeline of events but were our guys in the media the ones who broke the Poch/Conte stuff or did they come in after it broke elsewhere?

 

[Lilbaz]

That and the club leaking the Conte and Poch stuff to the press are my major criticisms.

I think that Conte is undoubtedly an excellent manager. I am not sure that he was ever going to be a good fit for us and I can't help but think that we've dodged a bullet, as all of this could've come to a head at a far worse time.

I agree. I'd prefer it if there were no leaks at all from either side. We just get to see them when unveilled. Would be far better for the club and especially levy. Transfer windows would be boring for fans though and the papers would still make up stuff but oh well.

 

[milo]

Idk the timeline of events but were our guys in the media the ones who broke the Poch/Conte stuff or did they come in after it broke elsewhere?

On Poch there were clearly leaks coming from all sides but the club had been briefing Alasdair Gold, Jack Pitt-Brooke, Dan Kilpatrick and David Hytner on both Poch and Conte. I think that Conte was leaking too.

 

[harr1984]

Idk the timeline of events but were our guys in the media the ones who broke the Poch/Conte stuff or did they come in after it broke elsewhere?

They weren’t. The Athletic broke the Poch story and even then clearly said it was more likely it wouldn’t happen than would before anyone started going their own way with it and stating how we were close etc and funnily enough the first one to say we were going for Conte was Grays1980 on here before it broke anywhere else….

 

[billyiddo]

They weren’t. The Athletic broke the Poch story and even then clearly said it was more likely it wouldn’t happen than would before anyone started going their own way with it and stating how we were close etc and funnily enough the first one to say we were going for Conte was Grays1980 on here before it broke anywhere else….

I thought @Grays_1890 posted about it after the story was already public and was more of a confirmation of what was being reported

 

[harr1984]

I thought @Grays_1890 posted about it after the story was already public and was more of a confirmation of what was being reported

Ah sorry you’re probably right there looking back. The speculation always seems to follow the same pattern - regardless of who breaks the story all the others will jump on it because they can’t take the risk of missing out on the story and on click throughs. The only one I give any real substance to is the Athletic and it helps give credibility to their stories that they aren’t constantly dishing out updates, the rest are hit and miss and I include the ‘Spurs leaks’ in that….

 

[billyiddo]

Ah sorry you’re probably right there looking back. The speculation always seems to follow the same pattern - regardless of who breaks the story all the others will jump on it because they can’t take the risk of missing out on the story and on click throughs. The only one I give any real substance to is the Athletic and it helps give credibility to their stories that they aren’t constantly dishing out updates, the rest are hit and miss and I include the ‘Spurs leaks’ in that….

I think the Spurs guys get confirmation of sorts through the club but only in so far as "yes we're talking to so and so" or "X is a transfer target" and it's usually only ever once something is already out there being discussed rather than to break the story. Everything else is tacked on so as to keep the football rumour mill rolling - there's a lot of money to be earned by journalists between a story breaking and it reaching it's final conclusion afterall

 

[Daisuk]

We're gonna end up with Martinez, aren't we?

 

[ShipOfTheseus]

- there's a lot of money to be earned by journalists between a story breaking and it reaching it's final conclusion

No there isn’t. The stakes are tiny, that’s why the game is so vicious.

 

[Hotspur75]

Wijnaldum to PSG, with newspapers citing his special bond with Poch. For those of you who were still hoping (I was).


Sitting on my porcelain throne using glory-glory.co.uk mobile app

 

[scaramanga]

That's one of the key problem for me with this situation. Levy set out what he was looking for in a manager towards the end of the season, it seemed like sensible criteria. He then rips that up to pursue a big name who didn't meet any of them.

That last sentence could also be phrased as "He sounded out a top manager to see if he was willing to work to those parameters and walked away when it was clear he wasn't."

All depends on the narrative the author is attempting to present.

 

[Mikey10]

We start shelling out since the stadium was built. The belt was tightened when the stadium was being built and loosened again.
Ndombele (whatever you think of him) was regarded as one of the most promising players in Europe and had a lot of big clubs interested, we got him, a change post stadium.

Given what’s reported as happening with Conte looks like that might have been a one-off.

 

[billyiddo]

No there isn’t. The stakes are tiny, that’s why the game is so vicious.

All the more reason to increase coverage and drive traffic to your site with multiple breaking news articles as opposrd to just the initial one confirming interest