And that is exactly why private ownership of football clubs is just wrong.
Given that it is allowed, we couldn't be in much better hands.
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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked
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And that is exactly why private ownership of football clubs is just wrong.
Given that it is allowed, we couldn't be in much better hands.
Mumorn
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yet theyre not successful. which German side on "our level" has won a European cup or done anything of note on the big stage?
I'm all for giving someone time, and i think as he's here, Poch is that someone, but the 'let's hope he can bring to us what he did with Southampton' line is off mark in my view given that Southampton are better now than they were last season, and that's having sold their best 3-4 players!
In the big one:
Ajax in 95, Dortmund in 97 and Porto in 2003.
Every other one in the last two decades have gone to the Spanish two, Bayern, the privately bankrolled Italian clubs and United and Liverpool (and Chelsea <- scum).
The Europa League is more diverse:
Sevilla, Atletico, some tinpot outfit called Shaktar Donetsk from Ukraine, Zenit and CSKA Moscow from that other Mickey Mouse league, Valencia, Porto, Feyenoord, Galatasaray, Schalke, Liverscum and Chelscum.
You could be right, but a lot of the Southampton players were very vocal in their support of Poch, crediting his methods for their improvement. There was certainly a style and an identity to their play. I'd like a manager to be able to implement that here, we are in dire need of it.
I'm tired of false dawns. Let's accept that we are quite average, we have wasted the Bale money, and just start again with a good young coach.
Dortmund were in huge debt, not sure how much they've cleared. Porto make their own money through buying and selling (but that seems to be very much frowned upon here. Naughty chairman, selling our best players). Sevilla and Valencia also sell to fund new purchases. Feyenoord and Ajax have dropped considerably in standard since then, but they too survive by selling off their best players,
Do good managers need time? Not advocating getting rid of pouch, but the thought occurred to me that wenger didn't need time nor did Jose, did Rafa? SAF ok yeah but that was a long time ago and who remembers how they played (honest question because I have no idea) a little closer to home Harry done alright pretty much form the off as did Tim.
Rodgers ... Well how's he doing without Suarez?
Rodgers ... Well how's he doing without Suarez?
You could be right. However, I'd suggest that the best results we've had with managers in recent years are those who have came in on the back of others really losing the fans, with expectations really low. Ramos followed Jol, Jol didn't lose the fans and expectations of Ramos were high -- he did badly.
Harry came in on the back of 2 points from 8 games. Expectations couldn't get much lower. He did the best of all.
Sherwood came in after it became apparent that the players we signed with the Bale money just weren't that good. He got decent results, and not much was expected.
Let's lower our expectations of Poch for this season, and maybe he can sort this sh1t out.
How low should our Expectations go? 12-8? 14-10th? I think we should be better than that, The question I asked was really meant for someone to put my mind at rest, and say actually yes good managers do need time, here is X he came good after a season. Here is XY he came good after 3seasons, preferably within English football.
SAF don't count as he is clearly an outliner in every sense.
Does that count for Harry as well?
Just thinking, maybe good manigerial fit would have been a better way to word it, rather than good manager.
I'm probably in the minority here but I think our squad is good.
How long did it take him to get crystal palace playing well and getting results... Stranger things have happened, and we are spurs after all so maybe a good call.
My Pulis thread got locked! But you know this would be so Levy -- he's tried everything else. A few more losses and he'll pull the trigger again. I'm just gonna stop expecting anything good for us now :lol:
Again another honest question as I don't know, did he establish the style in the first season? How long in to the season?
Pirate55
The Last Man Standing 17/18
I already named SOF, Mourinho, Wenger, LVG above. Almost all successful managers I am aware of in this country have the final (and crucial) say on all matters transfer related. Certainly they have to live within financial criteria dictated by the board, but it is inconceivable to me that the managers listed would be dictated to by a committee on who they should buy or sell. Still less that they would live with players foisted on them. Look what happened when Abramavitch foised Shevchenko and Torres on managers. That didnt work out too well as I recall.