Re: Lennon's workrate
which of our other RW/RWF's would you replace him in the line up with ?
which of our other RW/RWF's would you replace him in the line up with ?
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Lennon's back baby!
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The Moonlit Knight
Banned
Re: Lennon's workrate
He certainly can't play on the left. He is a natural right winger and does things out there instinctively. On the left he has to think about his game more and it's clear he isn't capable. We were screaming at him yesterday to run away from Ekotto so Ekotto could play the ball into space but instead Lennon kept going towards Ekotto and then standing there with his marker next to him. Must have happened about 6 times.
He certainly can't play on the left. He is a natural right winger and does things out there instinctively. On the left he has to think about his game more and it's clear he isn't capable. We were screaming at him yesterday to run away from Ekotto so Ekotto could play the ball into space but instead Lennon kept going towards Ekotto and then standing there with his marker next to him. Must have happened about 6 times.
ringo
Tim Sherwood
Re: Lennon's workrate
It is interesting that some managers assume because player can play one flank then they should be able to play on the other equally effectively. Or because a footballer is particularly talented they are just as effective in several positions. But this is rarely the case and only a few very talented players are capable of being equally good in different positions. Players develop little tricks and playing mannerisms which are linked to their main role and the position they play. A very basic example is the difference between playing most of the game facing the opposition goal, or with your back to it.
I think you would need to be genuinely both footed to be able to play equally well on both flanks. Otherwise the defender will always have reasonable idea what you are going to do and which way you are going. As you say, Lennon is far more effective on the right.
It is interesting that some managers assume because player can play one flank then they should be able to play on the other equally effectively. Or because a footballer is particularly talented they are just as effective in several positions. But this is rarely the case and only a few very talented players are capable of being equally good in different positions. Players develop little tricks and playing mannerisms which are linked to their main role and the position they play. A very basic example is the difference between playing most of the game facing the opposition goal, or with your back to it.
I think you would need to be genuinely both footed to be able to play equally well on both flanks. Otherwise the defender will always have reasonable idea what you are going to do and which way you are going. As you say, Lennon is far more effective on the right.
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
Re: Lennon's workrate
seems to be a massive confidence player and he seems devoid of it at the moment
seems to be a massive confidence player and he seems devoid of it at the moment
Re: Lennon's workrate
there arent any. thats what worries me the most
...but arguably if he costs us in terms of workrate we may havve to play narrower. without him.
there arent any. thats what worries me the most
...but arguably if he costs us in terms of workrate we may havve to play narrower. without him.
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Serge Aurier
Re: Lennon's workrate
Lennon is brick. and the fact we did not buy anyone to replace him means we are fudged. one trick pony that goes outside the player and cannot cross. no wonder he has not been in the England side for about 6 years he is that bad.
Lennon is brick. and the fact we did not buy anyone to replace him means we are fudged. one trick pony that goes outside the player and cannot cross. no wonder he has not been in the England side for about 6 years he is that bad.
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Tim Sherwood
Re: Lennon's workrate
Lennon was well marked yesterday. Norwich doubled up on him a lot of the time. Plus when we play this "patient" build up pass it sideways across the defence football, their defence has time to set deep and there is very little space to make runs in behind, or run at players with the ball. Lennon seems less a mazy dribbler than someone who beats defenders with changes of direction while running at high speed, or with acceleration from a standing start into space over a short distance. Right now he isn't getting a lot of opportuntiy to do either of those.
Lennon was well marked yesterday. Norwich doubled up on him a lot of the time. Plus when we play this "patient" build up pass it sideways across the defence football, their defence has time to set deep and there is very little space to make runs in behind, or run at players with the ball. Lennon seems less a mazy dribbler than someone who beats defenders with changes of direction while running at high speed, or with acceleration from a standing start into space over a short distance. Right now he isn't getting a lot of opportuntiy to do either of those.
charlietheyid
Banned
Re: Lennon's workrate
I like Lennon but he is not good enough.
I like Lennon but he is not good enough.
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Serge Aurier
Re: Lennon's workrate
correct. we do not put in crosses from the right. Look at Michu's goal against Sunderland, right cross from full back, header bang. Walker does not do that, nor does Lennon. We have not had a decent right crosser of the ball for years. You could say Bentley can cross the ball but hes not our answer is he. Lennon has been on the down for years. Found out years ago and if it wasnt for his pace, he would not be in the prem league.
correct. we do not put in crosses from the right. Look at Michu's goal against Sunderland, right cross from full back, header bang. Walker does not do that, nor does Lennon. We have not had a decent right crosser of the ball for years. You could say Bentley can cross the ball but hes not our answer is he. Lennon has been on the down for years. Found out years ago and if it wasnt for his pace, he would not be in the prem league.
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charlietheyid
Banned
Re: Lennon's workrate
I think some players are still living on that CL season we had. And they havent done anything since then. The likes of Lennon, Gallas, Dawson, even Sandro in a way.
These players were fantastic two years ago, and havent repeated this since. We all remember the fantastic Gallas from two years ago in the CL, but since then hes finished.
Lennon is living on that run vs Milan.
I think some players are still living on that CL season we had. And they havent done anything since then. The likes of Lennon, Gallas, Dawson, even Sandro in a way.
These players were fantastic two years ago, and havent repeated this since. We all remember the fantastic Gallas from two years ago in the CL, but since then hes finished.
Lennon is living on that run vs Milan.
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Jack L. Jones
Re: Lennon's workrate
Lennon's form has always dipped when we haven't had a ball player in central midfield, it was the same when Carrick left and we had Jenas and Zokora. Lennon's form picked up again when Hudd broke into the first team and continued with Modric there. Hopefully Dembele can fill this void but I am concerned that there won't be a place for him if we switch to 4-3-3.
Lennon's form has always dipped when we haven't had a ball player in central midfield, it was the same when Carrick left and we had Jenas and Zokora. Lennon's form picked up again when Hudd broke into the first team and continued with Modric there. Hopefully Dembele can fill this void but I am concerned that there won't be a place for him if we switch to 4-3-3.
Pirate55
The Last Man Standing 17/18
Re: Lennon's workrate
Lennon has a different problems as far as I am concerned.
1. He doesnt find space and make himself available for a pass. I have often commented when we are in possession that he just seems to stand by his opponent.
2. He doesnt make enough runs "off the ball"
3. When he receives the ball, he doesnt take his man on straight away, but often delays and allows a second defender time to come over to snuff him out
4. He doesnt get to the by-line enough
5. His final ball is often brick
6. He takes up poor positions in the box to finish off Bale's penetrating crosses
7. His finishing is poor
Lennon has a different problems as far as I am concerned.
1. He doesnt find space and make himself available for a pass. I have often commented when we are in possession that he just seems to stand by his opponent.
2. He doesnt make enough runs "off the ball"
3. When he receives the ball, he doesnt take his man on straight away, but often delays and allows a second defender time to come over to snuff him out
4. He doesnt get to the by-line enough
5. His final ball is often brick
6. He takes up poor positions in the box to finish off Bale's penetrating crosses
7. His finishing is poor
milo
Jack L. Jones
Re: Lennon's workrate
Lennon was excellent in the first half of last season and was beginning to add goals to his game (mainly cutting in from the left). He was a key player in Redknapp's favoured line up and gave the team balance. He supports his full back far better than Bale does. If Lennon had stayed fit last year, I am certain that we would have finished 3rd.
Lennon was excellent in the first half of last season and was beginning to add goals to his game (mainly cutting in from the left). He was a key player in Redknapp's favoured line up and gave the team balance. He supports his full back far better than Bale does. If Lennon had stayed fit last year, I am certain that we would have finished 3rd.
marcospur2
Ronnie Rosenthal
Re: Lennon's workrate
I agree with this. Last year we missed him badly when he got injured and was a shame both for the team and for him personally considering he had began to add dimensions to his play.
I agree with this. Last year we missed him badly when he got injured and was a shame both for the team and for him personally considering he had began to add dimensions to his play.
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Re: Lennon's workrate
agreed with all..i just dont know if it is workrate /hungeror ability
agreed with all..i just dont know if it is workrate /hungeror ability
Ganter
Erik Edman
Re: Lennon's workrate
I think that the problem with Lennon is not all his fault. I think it is very difficult for a winger to go forward and have a striker that has no clue how to link up with the rest of the team. When with Ade Lennon is more effective and often his final ball is a tad better. He also needs to grow some balls, it often looks like that he his scared of being tackled, he need to adopt some of Bale´s mentality with runs.
The thing that scares me is also the fact that we lack creativity. I think Gylfi is more effective playing behind the striker but he can not be a creative playmaker.
I think that the problem with Lennon is not all his fault. I think it is very difficult for a winger to go forward and have a striker that has no clue how to link up with the rest of the team. When with Ade Lennon is more effective and often his final ball is a tad better. He also needs to grow some balls, it often looks like that he his scared of being tackled, he need to adopt some of Bale´s mentality with runs.
The thing that scares me is also the fact that we lack creativity. I think Gylfi is more effective playing behind the striker but he can not be a creative playmaker.
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
Re: Lennon's workrate
You sure you're talking about Aaron Lennon, a man who's made 270 appearances for us, survived about five managers (including caretakers) along the way and scored roughly 25 goals during that time?
It sounds like you're talking about Downing or Ben Thatcher on the wing or something. All this, and Lennon's only, what, 25? He'll only get better.
You sure you're talking about Aaron Lennon, a man who's made 270 appearances for us, survived about five managers (including caretakers) along the way and scored roughly 25 goals during that time?
It sounds like you're talking about Downing or Ben Thatcher on the wing or something. All this, and Lennon's only, what, 25? He'll only get better.
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do you think 25 goals in 270 is good? ....i think the vview that he will get better might apply to an 18 year old...not s sure now...i just dont know iuf he has the tools
do you think 25 goals in 270 is good? ....i think the vview that he will get better might apply to an 18 year old...not s sure now...i just dont know iuf he has the tools
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
Re: Lennon's workrate
He has pace, which always helps. He's got the ability to quickly change direction, which is good for a dribbler like him. And, in the past couple of seasons, he's had to learn how to come inside as well. Occasionally, he pulls it off (see Fulham where he scored from the left wing last season) but more often than not, he doesn't. However, he's only had a season and a bit of trying to do it. Converting from an orthodox right winger to a genuine two-footed inside forward isn't easy, especially with so little real practice.
He'll get better.
He has pace, which always helps. He's got the ability to quickly change direction, which is good for a dribbler like him. And, in the past couple of seasons, he's had to learn how to come inside as well. Occasionally, he pulls it off (see Fulham where he scored from the left wing last season) but more often than not, he doesn't. However, he's only had a season and a bit of trying to do it. Converting from an orthodox right winger to a genuine two-footed inside forward isn't easy, especially with so little real practice.
He'll get better.