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Jose Mourinho - SACKED

Its been a massive problem for us over the last several seasons, and one of the main reasons we have fallen at most hurdles.

That is true. But at least under Poch at our best, particularly in 16/17, we toughed it out in most of these league games and didn’t capitulate. There was a solidity there. The goals we conceded last night were embarrassing. I feel like Roy Keane did about our goal against United. Absolutely fuming at our players for being so fudging gutless, clueless and spineless.

If I never see Aurier or Sanchez in our shirt again, that’ll be fine with me. They were a disgrace. I know you and me had put Sanchez’s errors down to youth but it’s gone past that for me now. Dier (who was good otherwise) and Davies on the second one were pathetic.

Jesus, just remembering it now has got me irate again. I’m going away to calm down.
 
If Jose can’t change them, then he should go.
We need a new man at helm because he is not working for Spurs!

You can’t fire him now. Every great side, pretty much, gets built from the back. Jose has a bunch of clowns back there who, no matter how well he organises them, will give up chances through their habitual mistakes. He deserves a couple of windows and at least one full season to see if he can fix this brick.

We can’t keep defaulting to “fire the manager”. Jesus would struggle with some of the brick Jose is dealing with.
 
You can’t fire him now. Every great side, pretty much, gets built from the back. Jose has a bunch of clowns back there who, no matter how well he organises them, will give up chances through their habitual mistakes. He deserves a couple of windows and at least one full season to see if he can fix this brick.

We can’t keep defaulting to “fire the manager”. Jesus would struggle with some of the brick Jose is dealing with.

It seems some fans would like us to get back on sacking the manager roundabout. Sad really.
 
they are still salty over the correct sacking of Mopo, who wanted out himself.

I'm sure I'm not the only won that wanted both of them gone. The decision to let Poch went on way too long. I would have sacked him the international window before.
Mourinho should never have got the job on that money.
Levy shouldn't be making these type of football decisions.

AVB hoodwinked him in an interview saying how he was gonna rely on youth. Then he demanded huge signing like Hulk.
Mourinho told Levy they the squad didnt need rebuilding and that he wanted this experienced squad.

There are no football people making football decisions at the top in the club. That is the problem.

Mourinho will be kept on unless the players down tools because he is on £15m a year (double what Klopp is on) for the next 3 seasons.
It will get real ugly before he is sacked. He will attack the club over a lack of spending money.
A huge group of fans will side with him even though we are trying to pay off an empty stadium and are in a financial mess.

Personally I wanted Ancelotti in at the time. He was very getable.
 
A huge group of fans will side with him even though we are trying to pay off an empty stadium and are in a financial mess.

I wish. It's more likely that a huge group of fans will immediately, reflexively defend that skinflint of a chairman and say it's all Mourinho's fault, like with Poch, like with AVB, like with Harry - none of whom got the players they wanted or needed, when they needed them.

You're right - Levy shouldn't be anywhere near the football side of things. Ideally he and ENIC shouldn't be anywhere near the club, but I'll take what I can get if he just sods off to the Bahamas like dear old Uncle Joe and let's someone competent run the team.

Luis Campos, for instance. Whom we haven't gotten, close on 3/4ths of a year after we appointed his friend and mentor to be our manager.
 
I'm sure I'm not the only won that wanted both of them gone. The decision to let Poch went on way too long. I would have sacked him the international window before.
Mourinho should never have got the job on that money.
Levy shouldn't be making these type of football decisions.

AVB hoodwinked him in an interview saying how he was gonna rely on youth. Then he demanded huge signing like Hulk.
Mourinho told Levy they the squad didnt need rebuilding and that he wanted this experienced squad.

There are no football people making football decisions at the top in the club. That is the problem.

Mourinho will be kept on unless the players down tools because he is on £15m a year (double what Klopp is on) for the next 3 seasons.
It will get real ugly before he is sacked. He will attack the club over a lack of spending money.
A huge group of fans will side with him even though we are trying to pay off an empty stadium and are in a financial mess.

Personally I wanted Ancelotti in at the time. He was very getable.
He wasn’t at the time
Big his circumstances changed quickly
He also is a short term manager
 
You can’t fire him now. Every great side, pretty much, gets built from the back. Jose has a bunch of clowns back there who, no matter how well he organises them, will give up chances through their habitual mistakes. He deserves a couple of windows and at least one full season to see if he can fix this brick.

We can’t keep defaulting to “fire the manager”. Jesus would struggle with some of the brick Jose is dealing with.

I agree in principle, Jose though looks like he’s way past his time. He looks lost and bereft of enthusiasm and now he’s critical of the players. It does not bode well for him long term.
 
He doesn’t
He looks like a manager who has inherited a bag of brick ...
it took klopp 3 seasons to do anything of note remember

Bag of brick! Maybe, but we are not going to buy at a high level to upgrade ‘the brick’ in the short term.
We will have to extract the maximum out the current bunch. I sadly don’t see Jose as the manager to do this.
 
He doesn’t
He looks like a manager who has inherited a bag of brick ...
it took klopp 3 seasons to do anything of note remember

I agree. He's inherited a brickshow. Unbalanced squad on a downward spiral which doesn't play to his strengths. He needs time. I haven't seen him dig a player out bar Ndombele which, while not good, is because he's been unforgivably soft and lazy. He's criticised the collective rather than individuals which I think is okay. He hasn't been scathing either, everything he's said has been fairly on the ball or constructive.

Like most, I can see how this goes bitterly wrong but I firmly believe that it could work and that he deserves a proper chance to make it work. I don't think he's lost his mojo yet. He needs this to work almost as much as we do.
 
I like your posting in general, but on the subject of Spurs manager you have the most ridiculously polarised opinions. You go from making excuse after excuse for every little thing Poch did wrong, practically refusing to accept he had any faults to blaming every little thing on Mourinho since hes stepped through the doors. With Poch it was all on the players letting him down and Levy not backing, but Mourinho who hasn't even had a pre season yet (please dont tell me this Covid break counts as one) is to blame for not having transformed us yet into Champions elect. We were poor yesterday no doubt, yet it was nowhere near as bad as Pochs' final weeks in charge against the likes of Brighton which left us flirting with the bottom 3 and from memory you was putting that on the players refusing to blame Poch. So why on earth should we not give Jose at least a proper season to see what he can do considering he has won more trophies already than Poch ever will.....

You make this comment like it is a revelation. I believe this appointment was a giant, and I mean GIANT, mistake. I outlined why, I tried to give him the benefit but have found it increasingly hard.

He was hired -and is being paid- as a specialist in short term successes. He came in stating he was happy with things. There was obviously work to do, and I would always have expected a degree of spin at the start because that's how it works. All I hoped was that whatever was to be done could be done behind closed doors and with some class. Instead, he has reverted to type, consistently thrown Ndombele out in public under a bus and now done so with the entire team.
Let me spell this out; I don't like that approach at my football club.

I think Levy has found himself saddled with a manager he cannot fundamentally support.
In order for Mourinho to work, he likes to buy big when he needs to (this is an observation not a criticism - important difference). For every McTominay there was a Zlatan. That is his style so good for him; my point is how do you, or anyone, think he is going to tolerate a few years of that? Even pre-covid? My point about Bergwijn was NOT that the player isn't
decent, it is that Mourinho has already slipped out there that he was not his first choice in January. Again, NOT criticism of anyone, but don't ignore it because this guys says nothing without calculation.

If you don't like my opinion, either ignore it, debate it or simply disagree. But all this "ridiculously polarised opinions" stuff, seriously mate, spare me. I'm not apologising to you or anyone for not enjoying this phase of our club. Do I hope you and several others get the chance in 12 or even 24 months to say "I told you so" as we win the title? Absolutely! That is the BEST case scenario.

Forget the other guy in this discussion; the only people making comparisons between the two are people like you. I can absolutely assure you that had we an Ancelotti in this position, I would feel differently just by the mere nature and decorum of the man.

In closing, I think my biggest issue as a poster is that I don't write short, succinct posts. They are probably too long for social media, and as such it becomes easy for people to focus in on specific things which they get drawn to rather than take the conversation as a whole. I am probably also too honest with my opinions, but I doubt that will change any time soon.

Regardless, I appreciate the debates and discussion, and continue to be sorry that we cannot have them in person over beverages and without masks.
We all want the same thing!
COYS!
 
they are still salty over the correct sacking of Mopo, who wanted out himself.


The main issue is we got the WRONG manager for the way we as a club work.
We needed to pull out all stops for a Nagelsman or Ten Hag.
In my opinion.
Again (deeeep breath) I HOPE we prove me wrong, but I do not see us giving him the type of support HE demands. Think about it; even outgoings, what I Mourinho says, "bin this clam, I don't him breathing lodge air!" Do you think Levy is going to move him on as fast as possible? Come on. Try to see the point I am making here. It is not difficult and it has fudge all to do with anything other than the now.
 
I wish. It's more likely that a huge group of fans will immediately, reflexively defend that skinflint of a chairman and say it's all Mourinho's fault, like with Poch, like with AVB, like with Harry - none of whom got the players they wanted or needed, when they needed them.

You're right - Levy shouldn't be anywhere near the football side of things. Ideally he and ENIC shouldn't be anywhere near the club, but I'll take what I can get if he just sods off to the Bahamas like dear old Uncle Joe and let's someone competent run the team.

Luis Campos, for instance. Whom we haven't gotten, close on 3/4ths of a year after we appointed his friend and mentor to be our manager.

In between my (err, forthright?) comments about Mourinho, I have said the same. Truth be told, DL has always been obsessed with the idea of Mourinho. It was no coincidence that he was rocking up to the new Lane from the start of the season. But as was said at the time, it could only work if one man changed. Jose won't change his ways so DL will have to. And for various reasons, well, we know the answer...
 
He doesn’t
He looks like a manager who has inherited a bag of brick ...
it took klopp 3 seasons to do anything of note remember

But you just said he was a "short term manager"? So are you giving him three years? And Klopp did one thing very very well; he united the club whilst moving on the dross. I never heard him coat the likes of Moreno or Sturridge hard in public. Different class.
 
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