Jose Mourinho - SACKED

[Mr Gogolak]

I understand that some people don't watch a lot of football outside of Tottenham (I dont blame yous) or follow the whole Premier League soap opera. But this is just the same Mourinho protecting himself and reputation by doing down his players. Same as he always does. He'll do the same at Saudi Sportswashing Machine when he ends up there.

I'm not so sure about that. Apparently, he was very well-liked at Porto, Chelsea and Inter. He had Samuel Eto'o (not exactly the easiest guy to deal with) playing at right-back for him and he loved it. A lot of Real players (not all, obviously) only have nice things to say about him. Also, his reputation seems largely intact within the game: Lloris and Aurier gave very complimentary interviews when he was appointed.

Ironically, it could very well be that he's out of touch with the players themselves, rather than the tactical side of the game. In any case, his ability to bond with the players was (again, apparently) a big part of his success in his early career. It's difficult to see because that can't be measured with stats but the importance of having a group of players willing to go to war (or believing in your system) for you can't be stressed enough, in my opinion.

 

[Baleforce]

He's managed to get to season three Mourinho in six months

He did say he'd changed.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

I'm not so sure about that. Apparently, he was very well-liked at Porto, Chelsea and Inter. He had Samuel Eto'o (not exactly the easiest guy to deal with) playing at right-back for him and he loved it. A lot of Real players (not all, obviously) only have nice things to say about him. Also, his reputation seems largely intact within the game: Lloris and Aurier gave very complimentary interviews when he was appointed.

Ironically, it could very well be that he's out of touch with the players themselves, rather than the tactical side of the game. In any case, his ability to bond with the players was (again, apparently) a big part of his success in his early career. It's difficult to see because that can't be measured with stats but the importance of having a group of players willing to go to war (or believing in your system) for you can't be stressed enough, in my opinion.

I think the ability of players to be moulded becomes an issue
We have signed some who were “finished articles” like sissoko and Aurier for decent fees who haven’t actually got any better, all be it sissokos game has changed massively (this isn’t a dig at him)
We also signed younger ones like Foyth and jansenn but haven’t given them game time or at least time in the position we saw them playing in (Foyth has never played RB for us for example)
All the signings this season are young and in theory mouldable and players who will get better but that’s a lot of work still to do

 

[thfcsteff]

Seriously Steff, at the moment what poor decorum are you seeing from Mourinho?
Having watched his interviews post-match it all seems pretty standard stuff that can't really be argued against.
Your blinkers on this issue are a massive hindrance to rational discussion - witness your queer weaponising repetition of the point about Bergwijn not being his first choice.

I have explained my thoughts on his decorum. Your example of Bergwijn shows me you are only interested in seeing what you want to see (my point with that example was to ponder whether the manager will get the type of support he requires going forward as if not, he won't stick around) and sorry, how can my personal opinion on his ways be "blinkers hindering rational discussion"?

 

[harr1984]

I have explained my thoughts on his decorum. Your example of Bergwijn shows me you are only interested in seeing what you want to see (my point with that example was to ponder whether the manager will get the type of support he requires going forward as if not, he won't stick around) and sorry, how can my personal opinion on his ways be "blinkers hindering rational discussion"?

I like your posting in general, but on the subject of Spurs manager you have the most ridiculously polarised opinions. You go from making excuse after excuse for every little thing Poch did wrong, practically refusing to accept he had any faults to blaming every little thing on Mourinho since hes stepped through the doors. With Poch it was all on the players letting him down and Levy not backing, but Mourinho who hasn't even had a pre season yet (please dont tell me this Covid break counts as one) is to blame for not having transformed us yet into Champions elect. We were poor yesterday no doubt, yet it was nowhere near as bad as Pochs' final weeks in charge against the likes of Brighton which left us flirting with the bottom 3 and from memory you was putting that on the players refusing to blame Poch. So why on earth should we not give Jose at least a proper season to see what he can do considering he has won more trophies already than Poch ever will.....

 

[JerusalemMan]

I have explained my thoughts on his decorum. Your example of Bergwijn shows me you are only interested in seeing what you want to see (my point with that example was to ponder whether the manager will get the type of support he requires going forward as if not, he won't stick around) and sorry, how can my personal opinion on his ways be "blinkers hindering rational discussion"?

I laughed at the irony!

I should have said before that I give you significant credit for (if I remember correctly) owning up to your bias on this issue beforehand and accepting that you were not likely seeing things clearly.

 

[Mr Gogolak]

We were poor yesterday no doubt, yet it was nowhere near as bad as Pochs' final weeks in charge against the likes of Brighton which left us flirting with the bottom 3 and from memory you was putting that on the players refusing to blame Poch.

Regardless of the Pochettino/Mourinho (I can't claim to be an expert on thfcsteff's posts and I've been away for too long to have an interesting opinion on that matter anyway), he might be onto something here. For various reasons, we have failed to regenerate this group of players and the high number of games played season after season might have taken its toll.

Of course, there have been injuries but it's quite possible that we were all a little too willing to put Eriksen's or Verthongen's performances on their contractual situations. Dele, Dier, Kane, Alderweireld... they all look a shadow of their former selves. Maybe it's no coincidence that Tanganga's introduction brought some much-needed enthusiasm. Having said that, I really hope Mourinho's the problem because I can't see us bringing many new faces in the current market...

 

[harr1984]

Regardless of the Pochettino/Mourinho (I can't claim to be an expert on thfcsteff's posts and I've been away for too long to have an interesting opinion on that matter anyway), he might be onto something here. For various reasons, we have failed to regenerate this group of players and the high number of games played season after season might have taken its toll.

Of course, there have been injuries but it's quite possible that we were all a little too willing to put Eriksen's or Verthongen's performances on their contractual situations. Dele, Dier, Kane, Alderweireld... they all look a shadow of their former selves. Maybe it's no coincidence that Tanganga's introduction bought some much-needed enthusiasm. Having said that, I really hope Mourinho's the problem because I can't see us bringing many new faces in the current market...

I dont think you'll find anyone who doesnt think our squad is a big part of the problem, thats not the point I'm making in regards to Steff's posts. I'm going to refrain from deciding how much of an overhaul we need until I see how players behave under Mourinho's system next season. I do think some of our squad is over rated on here, but at the very least there are a few top players here and a couple of clever additions in our obvious weak areas could make all the difference....

 

[Mr Gogolak]

I dont think you'll find anyone who doesnt think our squad is a big part of the problem, thats not the point I'm making in regards to Steff's posts. I'm going to refrain from deciding how much of an overhaul we need until I see how players behave under Mourinho's system next season. I do think some of our squad is over rated on here, but at the very least there are a few top players here and a couple of clever additions in our obvious weak areas could make all the difference....

Maybe, more than quality, we need someone who wouldn't put up with it. Someone like Roy Keane or Edgard Davids or even Zlatan, back in the day. Unfortunately, but that's a much wider debate, it seems such players are on verge of extinction. It seems you have to be humble and discreet to succeed these days. It looks like this squad lacks personality at times.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Regardless of the Pochettino/Mourinho (I can't claim to be an expert on thfcsteff's posts and I've been away for too long to have an interesting opinion on that matter anyway), he might be onto something here. For various reasons, we have failed to regenerate this group of players and the high number of games played season after season might have taken its toll.

Of course, there have been injuries but it's quite possible that we were all a little too willing to put Eriksen's or Verthongen's performances on their contractual situations. Dele, Dier, Kane, Alderweireld... they all look a shadow of their former selves. Maybe it's no coincidence that Tanganga's introduction bought some much-needed enthusiasm. Having said that, I really hope Mourinho's the problem because I can't see us bringing many new faces in the current market...

Enthusiasm is a key word
Our players haven’t shwon that for Some time

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Enthusiasm is a key word
Our players haven’t shwon that for Some time

It amazes me toby and eriksen have had babies in the last year.

 

[Baleforce]

It amazes me toby and eriksen have had babies in the last year.

 

[parklane1]

I think there is some possible overreaction to a single bad game here.

Are you saying we have got fickle fans here??

 

[parklane1]

He had instant impact then got BIG injuries that changed everything

Do not let facts get in the way of a massive/over reacting bitch.

 

[parklane1]

He gave a good interview to the BBC. Very obvious what he thought of the disallowed goal but he was fairly scathing of our mental strength and level of commitment second half.

He said “the last two goals were a consequence of our state of mind.”

I’m not usually one for “he should fudging give them a rocket” but he needs to give them a rocket. Some of what I saw tonight was beyond unacceptable.

Its been a massive problem for us over the last several seasons, and one of the main reasons we have fallen at most hurdles.

 

[parklane1]

that will be the exit of CE, who we haven’t replaced.

absolutely no link play and brain dead forward play

A big loss and i said it would be at the time.

 

[parklane1]

I've decided to hold off until the end of the season before I get the knives out for Jose. I'm just sharpening them.

To much sense it that for some mate.

 

[parklane1]

He's right, I love that he's called them out.

Same here, one of the reasons it went pear shape for Poch is that some players were not gonaded enough.

 

[parklane1]

Classic Mourinho.
Really.
He is "learning about our meteorology" after 8 months?
His script is so predictable.
Never forget, he came in "happy" with the squad and having supposedly done his homework.

Maybe he believed that some of the players who were going through the motions under Poch could give more under a different manager. I said at the time we had too many players without a winners mentality under Poch, i was hoping Jose could change that but it seems that some players are not willing or able to do so.

 

[parklane1]

If Jose can’t change them, then he should go.
We need a new man at helm because he is not working for Spurs!

He can not change them and neither could Poch, maybe it means that certain players need moving out if they are not willing to do so.