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Huddlestone

africanspurs said:
aha!!

thats entirely diferent

if we are comparing shots outside the box to goals scored from outside the box we would be geting much closer. add something like shots outside the box AND shots on target from outside the box...AND goals...even better

but even then i'm sure someone would say something like "but attacking mids take more to their percentages are a better reflection of their abilities than someone that takes much fewer shots"

sometimes with these things you can win. it depends on how determined the other guy is
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That's been my stand the whole way through this mate, that he takes a lot of shots and misses a lot. I'm not bothered about comparing him to anyone else, just that he isn't this great scorer of goals.
 
WookieD said:
That's been my stand the whole way through this mate, that he takes a lot of shots and misses a lot. I'm not bothered about comparing him to anyone else, just that he isn't this great scorer of goals.
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LIAR! You said he is not a great shooter! Sorry to be pedantic but today I have time and I feel like arguing my side!
 
REVISED STATS - INCLUDE CAREER STATS

These are from the OS - can't take any responsibility for accuracy

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb.html


*These are the players mentioned earlier in the debate - these are not the same player in 'position' per se




Hudd - 8 goals / 125 games (1 in 15.6 games) - 88% from outside the box = 7/8 (total goals) goals from range - 1 in 1.1 goals

Hudd - 8 goals / 227 shots (1 in 28.3 shots) - 1.8 shots per game. 8% of 'on target' shots led to goal



Young - 48 goals / 150 games (1 in 3.1 games) - 36% from outside the box - 17/48 (total goals) from range - 1 in 2.8 goals

Young - 48 goals / 458 shots (1 in 9.54 shots) - 2.82 shots per game. 18% of on 'target' shots led to goal



Scholes - 108 goals / 468 appearances (1 in 4.3 games) - 22% from range - 24/108 (total goals) from range - 1 in 4.5 goals

Shcoles - 108 goals / 528 shots (1 in 4.9 shots) - 1.12 shots per game. 21% of 'on target' shots led to goal



Gerrard - 97 goals / 404 appearances (1 in 4.1 games) - 27% goals from range - 26/97 (total goals) from range - 1 in 3.7 goals

Gerrard - 97 goals / 979 shots (1 in 10 shots) - 2.41 shots per game. 14% of 'on target' shots led to goal



Lampard - 173 goals / 525 appearances (1 in 3 games) - 24% goals from range - 42/173 (total goals) from range - 1 in 4.1 goals

Lampard - 173 goals / 1198 shots (1 in 6.9 shots) - 2.29 shots per game. 16% of 'on target' shots led to goal
 
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ArcspacE said:
REVISED STATS - INCLUDE CAREER STATS

These are from the OS - can't take any responsibility for accuracy

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb.html


*These are the players mentioned earlier in the debate - these are not the same player in 'position' per se




Hudd - 8 goals / 125 games (1 in 15.6 games) - 100% from outside the box = 8/8 (total goals) goals from range - 1 in 1 goals

Hudd - 8 goals / 227 shots (1 in 28.3 shots) - 1.8 shots per game. 8% of 'on target' shots led to goal



Young - 48 goals / 150 games (1 in 3.1 games) - 36% from outside the box - 17/48 (total goals) from range - 1 in 2.8 goals

Young - 48 goals / 458 shots (1 in 9.54 shots) - 2.82 shots per game. 18% of on 'target' shots led to goal



Scholes - 108 goals / 468 appearances (1 in 4.3 games) - 22% from range - 24/108 (total goals) from range - 1 in 4.5 goals

Shcoles - 108 goals / 528 shots (1 in 4.9 shots) - 1.12 shots per game. 21% of 'on target' shots led to goal



Gerrard - 97 goals / 404 appearances (1 in 4.1 games) - 27% goals from range - 26/97 (total goals) from range - 1 in 3.7 goals

Gerrard - 97 goals / 979 shots (1 in 10 shot) - 2.41 shots per game. 14% of 'on target' shots led to goal



Lampard - 173 goals / 525 appearances (1 in 3 games) - 24% goals from range - 42/173 (total goals) from range - 1 in 4.1 goals

Lamapard - 173 goals / 1198 shots (1 in 6.9 shots) - 2.29 shots per game. 16% of 'on target' shots led to goal
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I am massively sceptical of these stats. We already proved they were wrong so cannot be reliable data for our argument. Also as Africanspurs said, there are so many variables to consider.

Triffic effort though.
 
diego_maradona said:
I am massively sceptical of these stats. We already proved they were wrong so cannot be reliable data for our argument. Also as Africanspurs said, there are so many variables to consider.

Triffic effort though.
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The Hudd stat is amended to 88% I misread that initially - but yes, I have no idea how accurate those numbers are
 
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To summarise my stance on this monumental issue

I think Hudd has a very strong shot, and can strike the ball as good as anyone - but he's not very accurate or 'efficient' if you will

Perhaps AVB can work on that seeing the positive signs in some players already (Defoe)

Here's hoping
 
ArcspacE said:
REVISED STATS - INCLUDE CAREER STATS

These are from the OS - can't take any responsibility for accuracy

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb.html


*These are the players mentioned earlier in the debate - these are not the same player in 'position' per se




Hudd - 8 goals / 125 games (1 in 15.6 games) - 88% from outside the box = 7/8 (total goals) goals from range - 1 in 1.1 goals

Hudd - 8 goals / 227 shots (1 in 28.3 shots) - 1.8 shots per game. 8% of 'on target' shots led to goal



Young - 48 goals / 150 games (1 in 3.1 games) - 36% from outside the box - 17/48 (total goals) from range - 1 in 2.8 goals

Young - 48 goals / 458 shots (1 in 9.54 shots) - 2.82 shots per game. 18% of on 'target' shots led to goal



Scholes - 108 goals / 468 appearances (1 in 4.3 games) - 22% from range - 24/108 (total goals) from range - 1 in 4.5 goals

Shcoles - 108 goals / 528 shots (1 in 4.9 shots) - 1.12 shots per game. 21% of 'on target' shots led to goal



Gerrard - 97 goals / 404 appearances (1 in 4.1 games) - 27% goals from range - 26/97 (total goals) from range - 1 in 3.7 goals

Gerrard - 97 goals / 979 shots (1 in 10 shots) - 2.41 shots per game. 14% of 'on target' shots led to goal



Lampard - 173 goals / 525 appearances (1 in 3 games) - 24% goals from range - 42/173 (total goals) from range - 1 in 4.1 goals

Lamapard - 173 goals / 1198 shots (1 in 6.9 shots) - 2.29 shots per game. 16% of 'on target' shots led to goal
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Wow, fair play for the effort mate! Those stats do look a bit iffy though, surely that Scholes shots per game must be higher? Even if they are I think the long range shots per goals still match up. Plus it's difficult to compare these different player positions; I guess you'd need to compare him with the likes of Tommy Hitzlsperger or Gary McAllister to see where he sits.

Out of interest, consider the following scenario: one of our wingers crosses into the box and a defender half clears. The ball is slowly rolling out to the D of the penalty area. Who would you like to see coming onto that and hitting it first time?
 
he_is_you_know said:
Wow, fair play for the effort mate! Those stats do look a bit iffy though, surely that Scholes shots per game must be higher? Even if they are I think the long range shots per goals still match up. Plus it's difficult to compare these different player positions; I guess you'd need to compare him with the likes of Tommy Hitzlsperger or Gary McAllister to see where he sits.

Out of interest, consider the following scenario: one of our wingers crosses into the box and a defender half clears. The ball is slowly rolling out to the D of the penalty area. Who would you like to see coming onto that and hitting it first time?
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Steffen Freund. All. Day.
 
he_is_you_know said:
Wow, fair play for the effort mate! Those stats do look a bit iffy though, surely that Scholes shots per game must be higher? Even if they are I think the long range shots per goals still match up. Plus it's difficult to compare these different player positions; I guess you'd need to compare him with the likes of Tommy Hitzlsperger or Gary McAllister to see where he sits.

Out of interest, consider the following scenario: one of our wingers crosses into the box and a defender half clears. The ball is slowly rolling out to the D of the penalty area. Who would you like to see coming onto that and hitting it first time?
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Defoe.
 
hudd - 8 goals / 125 games (1 in 15.6 games) - 88% from outside the box = 7/8 (total goals) goals from range - 1 in 1.1 goals

Hudd - 8 goals / 227 shots (1 in 28.3 shots) - 1.8 shots per game. 8% of 'on target' shots led to goal



Young - 48 goals / 150 games (1 in 3.1 games) - 36% from outside the box - 17/48 (total goals) from range - 1 in 2.8 goals

Young - 48 goals / 458 shots (1 in 9.54 shots) - 2.82 shots per game. 18% of on 'target' shots led to goal



Scholes - 108 goals / 468 appearances (1 in 4.3 games) - 22% from range - 24/108 (total goals) from range - 1 in 4.5 goals

Shcoles - 108 goals / 528 shots (1 in 4.9 shots) - 1.12 shots per game. 21% of 'on target' shots led to goal



Gerrard - 97 goals / 404 appearances (1 in 4.1 games) - 27% goals from range - 26/97 (total goals) from range - 1 in 3.7 goals

Gerrard - 97 goals / 979 shots (1 in 10 shots) - 2.41 shots per game. 14% of 'on target' shots led to goal



Lampard - 173 goals / 525 appearances (1 in 3 games) - 24% goals from range - 42/173 (total goals) from range - 1 in 4.1 goals

Lamapard - 173 goals / 1198 shots (1 in 6.9 shots) - 2.29 shots per game. 16% of 'on target' shots led to goal



These are much better figures and good for comparison.
 
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