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Harry Redknapp: The Aftermath

Would you keep Arry after the Season?

  • Yes - He's done well and should be given at least one more season to consolidate our team

    Votes: 25 53.2%
  • No - he's peaked and would hold us back.

    Votes: 22 46.8%

  • Total voters
    47
In the few years preceding Redknapp's appointment, our squad improved massively (mostly since the arrival of Levy). We had been inching closer to that 4th place finish, had achieved a cup win, and Jol (who many, many people rate as no more than average) got us within touching distance of 4th place twice.

We have at least the 4th best team in the PL, regardless of how his predecessors have done Harry needs to at least match that with his performance.

But the season we got 4th with 'Arry, was our team actually that good on paper? Dawson, Bassong, Kranjcar, Huddlestone, Palacios, Crouch, Defoe - they all played a significant number of games for us that season, and none of them would be considered top PL players (by which I mean players that Arsenal, United, City, Chelsea etc would be interested in). But Harry, having brought 5 of them in himself, got 70 points out of that team - the most we've had in recent decades.

The following season, does Harry not deserve credit for our performance in the Champions League? To beat Inter Milan over two games, finish top of our group, and then to beat AC Milan over two games? All with an inexperienced side (in terms of Europe)?

And this season, well, it's arguable that we have the 4th best squad in the league, which is what matters. But doesn't 'Arry deserve credit for shaping part of that squad? Friedel, Walker, Kaboul, Gallas, Sandro, Parker, Adebayor - all important players that 'Arry's brought in. And Ekotto, Kaboul, Walker, Modric, Livermore, Bale - all playing the best football of their careers under him. Of course that last point is a difficult one, because it's impossible to say whether or not that is down to 'Arry. But I think it's unfair to assume that it has nothing to do with him.
 
Wigan have had to play these teams in the last 4 games

Liverpool away - won 2-1
Stoke home - won 2-0
Chelsea away - lost 1-2
Man U home - won 1-0

a very difficult set of games for any big club. Yet Wigan are a small club, punching way above their weight, in a relegation battle, and yet they manage 3 wins out of those 4 games and even at Chelsea they were cheated out of a draw (in fact both chelseas goals were offside)

Everyone talked about our difficult set of 4 games where we came unstuck

Arsenal away - lost 5-2
Man U home - lost 3-1
Everton away -lost 1-0
Stoke home -drew1-1

If a club like Wigan can pick themselves up and be strong when it matters, why cant we? Our collapse is completely unacceptable, even QPR are having a go and have recently beat Arsenal and Liverpool

im sick of hearing that we have had difficult teams to face in a short period and that has contributed to our failure. Its flimflame
 
No, he's saying that if Wigan can beat Utd then surely we have the quality to do the same at least once since Jesus Christ walked the earth

correct

and we never even looked close to winning any of those games. Wigan not only won theirs, but fully deserved the wins.
 
Sorry if this has been posted, im at work and cant find enough time to read skysports news AND the whole thread.

For once a journa bloke seems to have written a pretty accurate piece;

5 Reasons why Spurs are coming off the rails.


Speculation over Harry's future

Spurs fans must be laughing at the FA's assertion, made in the aftermath of Fabio Capello's resignation, that they would not make a decision about the next England manager until the summer because they didn't want to "interrupt anyone's season."

When Capello resigned on February 8 - the same day as Harry Redknapp was acquitted on charges of tax evasion - the Spurs manager immediately became the favourite to replace the Italian. Three days later Spurs beat fifth-placed Saudi Sportswashing Machine 5-0 in a joyous display that seemed to affirm Redknapp as the only and obvious choice as England's next manager, and saw them move to within five points of Manchester United, opening up a ten point gap over Arsenal in fourth.

However, since then the wheels have fallen off and Spurs have managed a paltry six points in eight games forcing Redknapp to deny any link between conjecture around his future employment and Tottenham's form. Following a 1-1 draw with Stoke in March, Redknapp called such suggestions "absolute nonsense" and insisted that his players didn't care if he was manager next season.

But with Gareth Bale, Luka Modric and others reportedly unsettled by the lack of certainty going forward, it is difficult to conclude that the speculation has not acted as just the sort of interruption the FA was hoping to avoid.
The derby

When Tottenham travelled to the Emirates Stadium on February 26 it was only the fourth time in Arsene Wenger's Arsenal career that the Gunners had gone into the North London derby below Spurs in the table.

And with 34 minutes gone it very much looked as though, as well as advancing their own title hopes, Spurs would do further damage to Arsenal's chances of making the Champions League.

But then, with the game seemingly theirs to lose, Tottenham threw it all away. Goals from Bacary Sagna and Robin van Persie saw Arsenal pull level before half-time. Harry Redknapp scrambled to stem the flow, bringing on Sandro and Rafael van der Vaart for Saha and Niko Krancjar at the break, but by that time the momentum had well and truly swung in the Gunners favour.

With Tottenham seemingly unable to shut down an open game that was increasingly benefitting Arsenal, there was a certain inevitability to the goals from Tomas Rosicky and Theo Walcott that completed a humiliating afternoon for Spurs.

Arsenal's spirit on the day was remarkable and one game rarely defines a season but the nature of the defeat to such a fierce local rival, as well as the tactical deficiencies it hinted at, severely dented the confidence of the Tottenham squad.
The FA Cup distraction

Even before Fabrice Muamba collapsed 41 minutes into the quarter-final against Bolton, the FA Cup was arguably proving to be more of a distraction than perhaps it should have been for Tottenham.

Spurs comfortably beat Cheltenham in the third round, but made relatively hard work of their fourth round tie against Watford before needing a replay, in which they lost Michael Dawson to a season-ending injury, to get past League One Stevenage.

At that time nobody could have predicted what would subsequently happen to Muamba when Tottenham met Bolton but the emotional toll events on that day had on both sets of players should not be underestimated.

Whilst Bolton responded to the loss of Muamba with stirring performances in the league against Blackburn and Wolves, relatively little attention has been given to the impact on Spurs' players, who have struggled to move forward in quite the same fashion despite eventually overcoming Bolton when the match was replayed.
Redknapp's tactics

Spurs seem to be at their best when they play with width. With Aaron Lennon wide on the right and Gareth Bale a constant threat down the left, as was often the case early in the season, Luka Modric and Rafael van der Vaart had plenty of space to work their magic in the middle of the pitch.

More recently, in Lennon's absence, Redknapp has experimented with players in unfamiliar positions with limited success. Bale may be a fantastic talent but he doesn't look half the threat roaming freely in the middle of the park as he does terrorising full-backs with his pace down the wing. Meanwhile, Luka Modric's playmaking abilities seem almost completely blunted when he plays wide on the left.

Similarly, playing Van der Vaart nominally on the right has not only limited the Dutchman's impact and goal-scoring threat, it has also left Kyle Walker cruelly exposed at times as he effectively has to mark two players.

It is clear that Lennon's injuries have been a cruel blow but you have to question the tactics of a manager who responds to the loss of one player by disorienting several others in an attempt to compensate. Quite why Redknapp did not seek a like-for-like stand-in for the oft-injured Lennon when he had the chance remains a mystery.
Fragile defence

Quite simply, Redknapp has been forced to rely on Ledley King far too often this season. Whilst the if-only-he-wasn't-hurt-so-often defender has had a relatively injury free campaign by his standards, King is beginning to show signs that there are reasons why professional footballers generally consider it beneficial to train between games.

Neither King nor his manager could have imagined that the former England international would be required to feature in 21 games for Spurs this year, with the loss through injury of other key players clearly not helping the situation.

But Redknapp has hardly helped himself in that regard. William Gallas's hamstrings are only becoming more fragile with age and another 34-year-old, Ryan Nelsen, has failed to make much of an impression after arriving on a free transfer from Blackburn, for whom he had made only one league start all season. After the seldom-used Sebastien Bassong was allowed to leave on loan, Younes Kaboul was left as Redknapp's only real option to partner King in an hardly awe-inducing defensive line.

Whilst it might have paid off with 40-year-old Brad Friedel, too often Redknapp - a kind of anti-Wenger - has contributed to his own misfortune by signing players who are either injury prone or at an age where injuries are inevitable.

Questions must be asked as to why, in addition to a stand-in for Lennon, a reliable centre back was not sought in the January window when injuries were already starting to take their toll. Certainly, a dependable defensive partner for Dawson must be a priority come the summer to ensure that King is only sporadically called on for emergencies, if at all, in future.


sounds like someone is just going around summing up the message boards and putting basci stuff on paper.

an example would be the width thing. a comparison with united and us when united play with two wingers would show that united have wide men that roam . not constantly though....but they do come off the touchline regularly
 
No, he's saying that if Wigan can beat Utd then surely we have the quality to do the same at least once since Jesus Christ walked the earth
Explanation mark was not enough. Add a smiley. To the post, or your face.


... Still, Martinez is as deserving of a discussion as many of the other candidates.
 
starting multiple manager threads my upset the board gods, sorry i mean board mods. No-one wants infraction points now do they:)
 
starting multiple manager threads my upset the board gods, sorry i mean board mods. No-one wants infraction points now do they:)


was directed to read that but i dont get it

there are 10 point infractions but also 30 points for breaking site rule? arent those covered by the 10 point ones?
 
i dont know, but i do like the word infraction

well then you beter be careful cause it could work out like one of those yellow card situations in premierleague .com

you can get 2 yellows and get sent off but what they do is deduct 2 points for the yellows AND they deduct 3 mor epoints for the red, which would make 5 instaed of just dedjucting 3 for the rd only

if you commit say 3 or 4 minor infractions then you could be set for more than a one da ban...they could hit you with the 30 point infraction as well taking you to the 70 point mark. then before you know it you think you're out of here for just a day but your ass is gone for a week or even a month if the think that you overstepped the mark just a tad bit

i would also think that its like referees. some will be more lenient than others . a harsh dude could swat you on the forehead with a 100 point infraction if he feels you tinkled him off some

Looks like we could be in a military dictatorship state, marshall law and all.

might have to assemble a rebel alliance / gorilla warfare type thing. not sure how thats going to work out in the open LOL
 
In Defence of Harry

I apologise if people think there's no need to make another Redknapp thread, but I think that it is worth having one whose purpose is to point out the good things that Harry has done for us, rather than the bad. People are chastising him for his perceived faults, and for letting slip the best position that we've had in years... But seem to forget that it was him who got us into the position in the first place!

I don't know if you knew this, but when he arrived at Spurs, we had 2 points from 8 games! :lol: And we'd just had a season in which we finished 11th. So it's fair to say that the mood and the confidence wasn't great. Now if we discount Ramos' 8 games, and 'extrapolate' Harry's 30 games to a full 38 game season, this is what you get:

62 Points ... 52 Goals For ... 42 Goals Against


Of course this isn't a perfect science but, given that Ramos' 8 games were played against 2 eventual top-half teams and 6 eventual bottom-half teams, if anything it's a conservative estimate.

Let's compare those totals to Jol's last two full seasons:

65 points ... 53 Goals For ... 38 Goals Against
60 points ... 57 Goals For ... 54 Goals Against


Then, 10 games into the following season, we were 18th in the league with 7 points and a goal-difference of -4. He was sacked.

There's no doubt that the 05-06 season under Jol was a great achievement. But in the following one we went backwards, and in the one after that we had the kind of run that Redknapp is getting chastised for now. Except that we're currently 4th, and at that point we were 18th.

What Redknapp achieved in his first season was almost as good as Jol's 05-06 season, and slightly better than what he achieved in the 06-07 season. But from there, we've only got stronger.

In Harry's first full season, we achieved our best season in decades:

70 Points ... 67 Goals For ... 41 Goals Against

Harry's signings Bassong, Palacios, Kranjcar, Defoe and Crouch all played significant roles. Huddlestone, who had previously started 18 games at most in a season, started 33 - more than any other Spurs player.
Bale, Spurs' 'cursed' player, filled in at left-back when Ekotto was injured in the latter half of the season. When Ekotto came back, Harry pushed Bale up to left midfield and pushed Modric, who most said was too lightweight to play centrally in the PL, into the middle. With 4th place on the line, Harry motivated the team to beat Arsenal, Chelsea and Emirates Marketing Project to secure their first Champions League place in decades.

The following season, Spurs' first ever in the current version of the Champions League, we finished top of our group after beating Inter Milan, and then beat AC Milan over 2 legs.

We again finished above Liverpool, but with the extra burden of Champions League, could only achieve 5th with:

62 Points ... 55 Goals For ... 46 Goals Against - pretty similar to Harry's first season and Jol's last two.

This season, Spurs have played some of the best football the club has seen in decades, and at one stage were 3rd in the league and challenging for the title. Many of the key first team players who achieved this have been brought in by Harry - Friedel, Walker, Kaboul, Gallas, Parker, Sandro and Adebayor. And many of them are playing the football of their careers under him - Walker (maybe), Kaboul, Ekotto, Modric and Bale stand out in that respect.

Has our recent run of SIX poor results in the last EIGHT games, THREE of which we deserved better from, been frustrating and disappointing? Yes. But to let that taint our view of everything else we have done under Harry is undeniably wrong. And to deny Harry credit for how good the team currently is on paper is ridiculous. Half of our first team has been bought by him, and many of our best players have become the stars that they are whilst playing for him. How many people wanted to sell Bale before he broke out? or Ekotto? How many people argued that Modric couldn't cut it in central midfield? How many people didn't want Friedel, Gallas, Parker or Adebayor?

Criticising some of Redknapp's decisions is fine; I do it all the time. But to deny him the credit that he deserves for helping to shape and build the team that got Champions League, and that now sees anything less than that as a sackable failure, is unfair and short-sighted.
 
I think penalties for taking threads OT is ridiculous.

Yes, there are times when someone is just being an ass and trying to manouvre a conversation onto their terms, but, threads most often naturally evolve onto different subjects anyway. And its impossible to take a conversation into a new thread, it just stops flowing...
 
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