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F.A statement on the word "yid"

Has the time come for us stop chanting the Y-word?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 9.0%

  • No

    Votes: 101 91.0%
  • Total voters
    111
As Cameron said - surely racism or any other insult has to have been said with intent for it, as far as im concerned, to be considered racist. Using the term yid in a hatred manner is racist the same way that the term 'black' could also be used - but without any intention both terms are not racist.

I just find it unfathomably ironic that the organisation such as the black lawyers can be even involved in such a non entity of a discussion.
 
I've actually managed to upset someone a long time ago when I was young and somewhat ignorantly mentioned yid in front of a Jewish girl who was horrified. After we spoke I was made aware that she was offended by it so I said I would never use it outside of football. Thing is though, it did make think as I read Baddiel's latest article:

"It's about trying to ensure that there is a level playing field around offensiveness. Ideally, I would be very uninterested in banning any words. But if the race-hate words used to denigrate black or Asian people are to be banned or considered unacceptable, then the same should apply for the vocabulary aimed at Jews.

Because the truth is, up till now, that vocabulary has not been considered equivalently offensive. "

What Spurs fans did in this notion of reclaiming the word was almost de-sensitise it in the public domain. To the point that many non jewish football fans don't even realise that the word is racist and simply associate it with Spurs.

Thing is I do know what it feels like to be racially abused and its pretty horrible. If someone tells me they're offended by the word it's usually enough to stop me saying it
 
Superhudd said:
The black lawyer spouting his **** again on SSN

Just said that Chelsea, Hammers and others only started the hissing noise cause we called ourselves Yids. PMSL
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What a ****! I was at Old Trafford in the 70s and 80s when they used to hiss...ignorant macaron...was that offensive? I hope so.
 
Oh come on. Everyone knows the "Society of Black Lawyers" is on the Chelsea payroll and only stuck his head up when Chelsea fans assaulted that black stadium official. Whatever happened with that?

And since when is one bloke a "Society"?
 
The Society of Chelsea Diversion Tactics still has a lot to answer for:

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Naughton16 said:
Baddiel hits back at Cameron

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/17/david-cameron-yid-really-is-race-hate-word

"I know some Tottenham Hotspur fans feel it's part of their identity, but they should try being Jewish at a Chelsea match"
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Haha! The article pretty much says that Spurs fans aren't the ones causing offence. If he was a Spurs fan - I honestly feel he would love being called a Yid (as would most Jewish people who support the team) - his problem is that he hates Spurs and is proud of being Jewish so there is a conflict.

I do agree though about his view on us reclaiming the word - I don't believe that for a minute (I don't think it particularly a football fan mentality)
 
Rorschach said:
Here's an idea David. Why don't you start a media campaign against the anti-semitism on show at Chelsea.
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He won't because he supports them and any campaign may see a backlash from their supporters against him.

He's an **** - an unfunny one at that.
 
To be fair to Baddiel, I listened to his interview on Talksport and he did try to explain that it's not really Tottenham that were the problem, he said that he hated going to Tottenham v Chelsea because of the abuse the Chelsea fans gave us not what we sang.

What he wants is for the word Yid to be considered as offensive as something like Nigger and everyone else has jumped on the band wagon saying that all Spurs fans that sing Yid Army or whatever should be banned.

The problem I have is that he's come at it from the wrong angle, if he'd said that he's offended by the hissing and songs about Hitler and Auschwitz and that he thinks anyone who sings these songs or hisses should be branded a racist and banned like any other racist abuser would get then I'd agree and I think we all would. Then in a few years time after a number of people are banned and the abuse dies down, which it would if people were getting long bans for it, then he can come out and say that the word Yid is offensive, there's no need for Spurs fans to sing it as we don't get abused anymore and most of us aren't Jewish anyway and we might be more inclined to say fair enough, time to let that chant go.
 
SpursLodge said:
To be fair to Baddiel, I listened to his interview on Talksport and he did try to explain that it's not really Tottenham that were the problem, he said that he hated going to Tottenham v Chelsea because of the abuse the Chelsea fans gave us not what we sang.

What he wants is for the word Yid to be considered as offensive as something like Nigger and everyone else has jumped on the band wagon saying that all Spurs fans that sing Yid Army or whatever should be banned.

The problem I have is that he's come at it from the wrong angle, if he'd said that he's offended by the hissing and songs about Hitler and Auschwitz and that he thinks anyone who sings these songs or hisses should be branded a racist and banned like any other racist abuser would get then I'd agree and I think we all would. Then in a few years time after a number of people are banned and the abuse dies down, which it would if people were getting long bans for it, then he can come out and say that the word Yid is offensive, there's no need for Spurs fans to sing it as we don't get abused anymore and most of us aren't Jewish anyway and we might be more inclined to say fair enough, time to let that chant go.
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=D> Good post, I totally agree.

Thankyou also for not being scared to write the words Yid and Nigger also. Blimey that grates me when people don't say it in a conversation and say the Y word and N word. As Cameron said, its the context these words are used that makes them offensive. When discussing these situations people should not be scared to use them.
 
Papercut said:
He won't because he supports them and any campaign may see a backlash from their supporters against him.

He's an **** - an unfunny one at that.
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That's exactly right. He would not be welcome at Chelsea any more and his love of the club is more important to him than the actions of his fellow supporters.
 
David Cameron's statement is pretty astonishing. Surprised he's stuck his neck out, although I suppose his approach would have appeal to his constituencies of voters.
 
Rorschach said:
That's exactly right. He would not be welcome at Chelsea any more and his love of the club is more important to him than the actions of his fellow supporters.
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Well I assume every time he hears a fellow fan launch any anti semitic abuse he calmly asks them not to and explains his reasons there and then, or does he just do nothing.
 
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