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Eric Dier

Apparently not in the squad for tonight. If there was any doubt his days are numbered here, that's another nail in the coffin. Really hope the lad gets out with a good deal and with his head held high.

I can understand why Ange doesn't want him and maybe this is necessary. I just really hope that the club is treating Dier (and Hugo) with as much respect as possible in the circumstances.
 
DeanoAustin said:
Apparently not in the squad for tonight. If there was any doubt his days are numbered here, that's another nail in the coffin. Really hope the lad gets out with a good deal and with his head held high.

I can understand why Ange doesn't want him and maybe this is necessary. I just really hope that the club is treating Dier (and Hugo) with as much respect as possible in the circumstances.
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Me too. But tbf every footballer knows this day will come. Just as fans and clubs should accept someday their best players will want to move on.

Just try and make it as painless as possible. Without any anger. As fair a deal for all sides that can be managed.
 
Are you genuinely going to keep rolling back from your inference that making him train with the U-21s would likely force a player of his seniority and years to move on? You realize that nothing you've said below is in any way beyond the sphere of knowledge or conjecture any supporter would have? This is a clear case of whether you respect a player enough to create a dignified exit or not. If you see Eric Dier as the same as Ndombele, Tanganga, or Reguillon in terms of their service to the club and seniority, then this conversation is obviously redundant because I think you are absolutely wrong.
The only similarity these players have is that they are no longer part of Ange's plans; how they are each dealt with is another matter.


Finney Is Back said:
No, the under 21s is a place where players who do not have a place in the 25 man first team squad should train. The first team squad's training sessions should be ultra high performance and only involve players who could be involved in first team games. We shouldn't be wasting valuable coaching time on players who aren't part of the plans and we'd like to move on.

If we end up short of numbers for training ground games then Postecoglou can make a decision on whether he brings in Dier or Ndombele or Tanganga, or Regulion or whoever else won't get a squad number but chooses to stay instead of moving on for a chance to play some football, or whether it would instead be more beneficial to reward the most promising of the youngsters with that training time (I'd personally opt for the latter as I think it is better for our future that way).

The club cannot 'force' Dier out. The ball is completely in Dier's court here. He can move elsewhere and become part of a first team squad or he can stick around at Spurs and not be part of the first team squad and train with the under 21s. If he does the latter then he'll continue to be paid handsomely.
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thfcsteff said:
Are you genuinely going to keep rolling back from your inference that making him train with the U-21s would likely force a player of his seniority and years to move on? You realize that nothing you've said below is in any way beyond the sphere of knowledge or conjecture any supporter would have? This is a clear case of whether you respect a player enough to create a dignified exit or not. If you see Eric Dier as the same as Ndombele, Tanganga, or Reguillon in terms of their service to the club and seniority, then this conversation is obviously redundant because I think you are absolutely wrong.
The only similarity these players have is that they are no longer part of Ange's plans; how they are each dealt with is another matter.
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I hope it would lead to him accepting a move away yes as, so far, he's still here even though he's not made a single match-day squad. Maybe moving him to train with the under 21s will help him decide to leave or maybe it's simply that nobody wants him?

Oh come on.... 'a dignified exit'... really mate? Dier can make a dignified exit by accepting a transfer or loan to another club. If he chooses to see out his contract and take his last years wages despite not being part of the first team squad then that's completely up to him. He can then make his dignified exit in January or next summer. I certainly don't think we owe any of our players (including Dier) a place training with the first team, especially those where it is pretty clear that the manager doesn't rate them highly enough. Just because Dier once happened to be part of a decent squad at Spurs doesn't mean we have to keep him training with the first team forever more.

I know he has always been one of your more favoured players at Spurs mate but surely you accept that the way the chairman operates at our club, we're not going to bring in another centre back unless we move (at least) one on. Therefore anything we can do to make it more likely that Dier leaves is a good thing as then we are more likely to be able to further strengthen our squad in a key position.
 
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Finney Is Back said:
I hope it would lead to him accepting a move away yes as, so far, he's still here even though he's not made a single match-day squad. Maybe moving him to train with the under 21s will help him decide to leave or maybe it's simply that nobody wants him?

Oh come on.... 'a dignified exit'... really mate? Dier can make a dignified exit by accepting a transfer or loan to another club. If he chooses to see out his contract and take his last years wages despite not being part of the first team squad then that's completely up to him. He can then make his dignified exit in January or next summer. I certainly don't think we owe any of our players (including Dier) a place training with the first team, especially those where it is pretty clear that the manager doesn't rate them highly enough. Just because Dier once happened to be part of a decent squad at Spurs doesn't mean we have to keep him training with the first team forever more.

I know he has always been one of your more favoured players at Spurs mate but surely you accept that the way the chairman operates at our club, we're not going to bring in another centre back unless we move (at least) one on. Therefore anything we can do to make it more likely that Dier leaves is a good thing as then we are more likely to be able to further strengthen our squad in a key position.
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Another side to this, that is separate to how WE all feel about the club as fans, is that for Dier, this is a job. And Spurs are his employer - an employer that we all know is pretty ruthless when it comes to how they treat their 'assets' (see Dele and although not under this ownership, countless other players). It bemuses me that a professional football player would not want to play as much as possible in a short career, but if Dier decide that's what's best for his life, more power to him. If the club feel he is a bad apple they can exclude him from all training, or he could (COULD) do what Danny Rose did in his last year (with no squad number) and be a good influence on the younger players. Whatever anyone's opinion of Dier as a player is, undoubtedly his trajectory to England international (scoring a penalty in a shot out in the knock out stages of the WC) and Premier League/CL player, is of value to younger players.
 
Bishop said:
1860 Munich.

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Speaking of smaller clubs from the main cities of Germany... Union Berlin qualified for the Champions League, so people such as Tanguy who require CL football to move, may want to try there.
 
90291Spur said:
Another side to this, that is separate to how WE all feel about the club as fans, is that for Dier, this is a job. And Spurs are his employer - an employer that we all know is pretty ruthless when it comes to how they treat their 'assets' (see Dele and although not under this ownership, countless other players). It bemuses me that a professional football player would not want to play as much as possible in a short career, but if Dier decide that's what's best for his life, more power to him. If the club feel he is a bad apple they can exclude him from all training, or he could (COULD) do what Danny Rose did in his last year (with no squad number) and be a good influence on the younger players. Whatever anyone's opinion of Dier as a player is, undoubtedly his trajectory to England international (scoring a penalty in a shot out in the knock out stages of the WC) and Premier League/CL player, is of value to younger players.
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For me I don't do all the sentimental shiz. It's a job with mutual beneficiaries. The club benefits by gaining the services of the player and the player benefits in the form of payment. When either or both sides are no longer happy with that arrangement it's time to move on if a move that suits both sides can be made. It's business. The players don't play for free and the club doesn't just give them money in exchange for nothing.

So yeah I don't really buy the argument about years of service. A player will decide to leave as soon as the circumstances suit them and likewise a club will attempt to move a player on as soon as they no longer feel they are worth playing anymore.

But that's just me and I know and can appreciate we don't all see it that way. For some there is an emotional connection to specific players. For me I only care about the club, individual players come and go. The club remains.

Now I don't think that means Dier should just be tossed aside but also don't think he deserves any better treatment than any other player no matter how long, short, successful or unsuccessful their stint has been at the club.

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Bishop said:
For me I don't do all the sentimental shiz. It's a job with mutual beneficiaries. The club benefits by gaining the services of the player and the player benefits in the form of payment. When either or both sides are no longer happy with that arrangement it's time to move on if a move that suits both sides can be made. It's business. The players don't play for free and the club doesn't just give them money in exchange for nothing.

So yeah I don't really buy the argument about years of service. A player will decide to leave as soon as the circumstances suit them and likewise a club will attempt to move a player on as soon as they no longer feel they are worth playing anymore.

But that's just me and I know and can appreciate we don't all see it that way. For some there is an emotional connection to specific players. For me I only care about the club, individual players come and go. The club remains.

Now I don't think that means Dier should just be tossed aside but also don't think he deserves any better treatment than any other player no matter how long, short, successful or unsuccessful their stint has been at the club.

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Same as any business. As soon as the company doesn't need you, they force you straight out the door with a pat on the back (and you wonder why you spent all those hours toiling away for them) and the rest of the company cracks on without you.
 
Bullet said:
Same as any business. As soon as the company doesn't need you, they force you straight out the door with a pat on the back (and you wonder why you spent all those hours toiling away for them) and the rest of the company cracks on without you.
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Which is how football is for sure
Kane didn’t even get to say goodbye but we still banked the cheque
 
A contract is a contract so can't blame Dier for staying (nor Ndombele) but it says a lot about professional sportspeople who'd rather not play but prefer to collect upfront given their limited careers lifespan.

If anyone is to blame it's our own management/coaches who could have upgraded on him while his stock was higher a few years ago.

Successful football clubs have to be ruthless and looking to upgrade all the time. No time for sentimentality and no trophies for being the best servant of the club.

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Bishop said:
For me I don't do all the sentimental shiz. It's a job with mutual beneficiaries. The club benefits by gaining the services of the player and the player benefits in the form of payment. When either or both sides are no longer happy with that arrangement it's time to move on if a move that suits both sides can be made. It's business. The players don't play for free and the club doesn't just give them money in exchange for nothing.

So yeah I don't really buy the argument about years of service. A player will decide to leave as soon as the circumstances suit them and likewise a club will attempt to move a player on as soon as they no longer feel they are worth playing anymore.

But that's just me and I know and can appreciate we don't all see it that way. For some there is an emotional connection to specific players. For me I only care about the club, individual players come and go. The club remains.

Now I don't think that means Dier should just be tossed aside but also don't think he deserves any better treatment than any other player no matter how long, short, successful or unsuccessful their stint has been at the club.

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Pretty much my thoughts as well. As much as I didn’t like it when Mourinho did the same to Danny Rose, I can’t blame the club as it’s the nature of the business. There isn’t any loyalty in football, it’s a ruthless business. Players and managers would leave in a drop of a hat for a better opportunity and clubs get rid of players and managers the second they are surplus to requirements. It’s not Dier’s fault for wanting to get the best move possible for himself or simply wanting to stay put, I’d question his desire to actually play football matches but that’s his prerogative and maybe the offers just don’t appeal to him. It’s the club’s fault for not upgrading on Dier, Sanchez (and Davies to a lesser extent) sooner. I guess most clubs have players they can’t get rid of, United are stuck with Maguire for example.
 
Has Dier really been turning down moves left, right and centre, like Ndombele seems to have been doing?

Has he shown any real inclination to warm the bench and collect his paycheck?

We're a couple of weeks into the season, and this is a player who was playing almost every match last season. He's an elite-level footballer -- the type of person with enough self-belief to fight for his place for a little more than 3 weeks.

Dier has been a loyal servant to the club, one of the stalwarts of our "golden generation", and has always conducted himself in a manner befitting our great club. Well, apart from when he decided to fight that fan! Or take a brick. Erm.

Anyway, Dier didn't get his head turned by a big Man U offer back in the day, when I'm sure he could have gone almost anywhere and doubled his salary. Let's give him some respect.
 
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