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Eric Dier
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thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
By that definition, PEH hid even more last night.
thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
Agreed.
I think some people have a different definition of 'hiding'...given his recent form, there's a fine argument for hoping he'd hide more?
Grays_1890
Barry Daines
We were ok till the goal then as soon as we scored PEH, Skipp, Perisic, Porro, Son and Kane all went into brain fart mode, not one of them showed any skill or ability to hold the ball for longer than a second and we just got over run.
Dier is far from the player I want as a starting Centre Back but if the players in front of you don't and can't accept the ball in dangerous situations to take pressure off you are just going to be inviting wave and wave of attack and thats exactly what happened post goal and I would argue all CBS would struggle with runners from centre and the wing for 15 mins +
Just look at the goal FFS, not one player infront of the back 4 took ownership and tracked Keane, as a CB he would not be the hardest player to show to a side or brain scramble into a pass or a mistake, compare that to their midfield who crowded out Romero when he went on that later run, chalk and cheese.
Just to repeat, Dier is not great but he and the rest of the defence were hung to dry again with the lack of quality infront of them
Poor quality in front of them and stupid tactics asking them to play it around at the back. None of the players we have at the back suit that.
We all know how poor Lloris kicking is. Dier's passing is actually ok, but he's not quick enough to play it under pressure. Romero can be too lax and dawdle on the ball at times, he almost got caught in our box a couple of times and was very lucky.
Playing with 10 men, Everton were still pressing high so there was space in behind but we still knocked it around at the back and then lost it in our defensive third. Stupid beyond belief.
Grays_1890
Barry Daines
And TBF, first half it was his distribution to Perisic and Porro that gave us most joy in attack, his diagonal balls were our main threat
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
That’s how I see it
I don’t think anyone can hide in this set up
Mikey10
Pedro Mendes
I wish he’d go and hide in the defence at Bournemouth or Forest.
thfcsteff
Garth Crooks
Agree 100%
papaspur
Kasey Keller
Dier's long-range passing can be hit or miss. He did have a few really good passes out to the wings, but he also has a few passes straight into the midfield opposition. Romero is comfortable playing it out from the back, although that one situation where Lloris put him under a lot of pressure almost made me do a poop in my pants. Romero then fed it to Dier who then launched it straight back to Everton.
Honestly, anyone who's content with Dier is content with mediocrity and is acknowledging that they're fine with the team struggling against bottom-table teams. Not to single him out as I think there are a few others guilty of this as well like PEH. I just don't see him defend proactively. He obviously does some decent things like cutting out passes but it's too little. Having that extra man in defense allows for the responsibility to be spread out over more players, thus each player has the excuse to think "the guy next to me can handle that." FWIW, PEH is more guilty than Dier generally because it is true that our defenders aren't being shielded that well, although that is perhaps the mentality again of "we have three CBs, one of them can handle it."
Skipp didn't have a great game either, not to throw only Dier and PEH under the bus. The difference is that Skipp is young and hopefully he has the right mentality to keep improving himself. I don't see that attribute in PEH who thinks he's one of the top-5 midfielders in the world. It's like how Messi only works hard selectively, otherwise just walking around having a stroll. The coaches need to stamp this sort of mentality out, because even "older" players should be able to keep improving on the mental aspect of the game even when they've peaked physically.
Honestly, anyone who's content with Dier is content with mediocrity and is acknowledging that they're fine with the team struggling against bottom-table teams. Not to single him out as I think there are a few others guilty of this as well like PEH. I just don't see him defend proactively. He obviously does some decent things like cutting out passes but it's too little. Having that extra man in defense allows for the responsibility to be spread out over more players, thus each player has the excuse to think "the guy next to me can handle that." FWIW, PEH is more guilty than Dier generally because it is true that our defenders aren't being shielded that well, although that is perhaps the mentality again of "we have three CBs, one of them can handle it."
Skipp didn't have a great game either, not to throw only Dier and PEH under the bus. The difference is that Skipp is young and hopefully he has the right mentality to keep improving himself. I don't see that attribute in PEH who thinks he's one of the top-5 midfielders in the world. It's like how Messi only works hard selectively, otherwise just walking around having a stroll. The coaches need to stamp this sort of mentality out, because even "older" players should be able to keep improving on the mental aspect of the game even when they've peaked physically.
Finney Is Back
Andy Thompson
Typically a team playing with 2 centre backs will use one of the central midfielders to shield them. When playing with 3 centre backs there should be far less need for their to also be a shield from a midfield player, that 'shielding' player already exists as one of those 3 CBs. If we want to play with 3 centre backs and also have one of the central midfielders to shield them, then we'd be giving up the midfield even more than we do already.
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
Unless your a team that invites teams on
And has midfielders behind CBS at times… which is just mental
Yiddo
Jack Jull
Assume you are a Romero fan boy? That guy had an absolute mare on the ball last night, constantly misplacing passes and passing his team mates inti trouble.
papaspur
Kasey Keller
Agreed and at the very least, midfielders in any system should track back (especially if they're the one who gave the ball away in the first place), at the very least to contain a bit.
Bedfordspurs
Chris Waddle
Our issue is they track back too far and never go out
Grays_1890
Barry Daines
I rate him but where have I said in that post that he played well?
Odd reply to a post where I haven't vindicated him at all, but there we go
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Finney Is Back
Andy Thompson
Just sat through another half of this guy being unable to play football. He is just so poor on the ball.
Sounded like the Park Lane end were starting to get on his back towards the end of the half.
Sounded like the Park Lane end were starting to get on his back towards the end of the half.
Gazza
Frederic Kanoute
To think that we have Dier and sanchez in the same team looooooooool
Bishop
Nick Barmby
The thing that baffles me is that even until relatively recently you will see fans lauding his passing ability and general ability on the ball. He's not the worst CB I've ever seen, but particularly in the modern era there's absolutely nothing special about his ability on the ball. He's actually quite poor and his passing is typically bloody awful.
He's garnered a very privileged position amongst our fan base I'm just not really sure why.
I'll repeat he's by no means the worst CB I've seen at Spurs but he's weirdly been put on some pedal stool above the likes of Sanchez and I just don't see it. They are equally poor.
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