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[Bedfordspurs]

It could be argued that one of the reasons we (apparently) don’t have a buyer is that the current owners want a price which overvalues their asset.

The price is their choice and the Chelsea valuation set the bar
I’d say we can’t get a buyer because football clubs are poor investment at this price
I’d buy a club that I could grow if I was buying a club
Someone like us is a daft investment

 

[DubSpur]

The price is their choice and the Chelsea valuation set the bar
I’d say we can’t get a buyer because football clubs are poor investment at this price
I’d buy a club that I could grow if I was buying a club
Someone like us is a daft investment

It's harder to grow a club now with the different financial fair play rules that have to be kept to in England and Europe. You just have to look at Saudi Sportswashing Machine to see that. We're in one of the strongest positions to kick on with some extra investment due to having plenty of wiggle room within those rules.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

It's harder to grow a club now with the different financial fair play rules that have to be kept to in England and Europe. You just have to look at Saudi Sportswashing Machine to see that. We're in one of the strongest positions to kick on with some extra investment due to having plenty of wiggle room within those rules.

What would you do
Chuck £3b at a club with head room but where the growth is nearly done
Or
Buy a Sheffield Wednesday or a Bristol (huge catchment) and spend that money over the next 10 years to create a beast that’s yours
Where is the validity in buying something off the shelf

 

[Grays_1890]

What would you do
Chuck £3b at a club with head room but where the growth is nearly done
Or
Buy a Sheffield Wednesday or a Bristol (huge catchment) and spend that money over the next 10 years to create a beast that’s yours
Where is the validity in buying something off the shelf

The clever money would be doing what Brady is doing at Birmingham IMO, their extended developments around the city (not dissimilar to ours) will hold them in good stead moving forward. Like you say a SW would be a smart move IMO, low cost to entry and build from ground up

 

[Bedfordspurs]

The clever money would be doing what Brady is doing at Birmingham IMO, their extended developments around the city (not dissimilar to ours) will hold them in good stead moving forward. Like you say a SW would be a smart move IMO, low cost to entry and build from ground up

There is so much better value out there than Tottenham
Why would you want a London club when you could have a region

 

[DubSpur]

What would you do
Chuck £3b at a club with head room but where the growth is nearly done
Or
Buy a Sheffield Wednesday or a Bristol (huge catchment) and spend that money over the next 10 years to create a beast that’s yours
Where is the validity in buying something off the shelf

You'd still need to invest billions in a SW or Bristol to get them to the stage we're at. They don't have the income to be able to buy players that would get them into the premier league for starters. Even the likes of Leeds with bigger revenue struggle to get the players to stop them being a yo-yo club. New owners can't just come in and splash their own cash on the players and do a City. They don't have the fan base to fill out a big stadium and they can't charge the higher prices we do for tickets.

 

[harr1984]

There is so much better value out there than Tottenham
Why would you want a London club when you could have a region

Because as rational as it sounds, London is London and it's very much a status thing - especially for billionaires.

I now live in London rather than Essex, accepting the higher costs for just about everything because of what London is whilst knowing I could get more for my money elsewhere. I don't doubt Levy and co are asking an extortionate amount but London is a massive pull for the super rich....

 

[Bedfordspurs]

You'd still need to invest billions in a SW or Bristol to get them to the stage we're at. They don't have the income to be able to buy players that would get them into the premier league for starters. Even the likes of Leeds with bigger revenue struggle to get the players to stop them being a yo-yo club. New owners can't just come in and splash their own cash on the players and do a City. They don't have the fan base to fill out a big stadium and they can't charge the higher prices we do for tickets.

Their clubs are one city clubs
Their fan base would be there in a heart beat for a more successful team
That investment would pay back massively
Here your gonna need a chunk on top of the purchase to clear the debt
Then you also need money to invest
And there is no return on that money in reality
Only a fool would do that

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Because as rational as it sounds, London is London and it's very much a status thing - especially for billionaires.

I now live in London now rather than Essex, accepting the higher costs for just about everything because of what London is whilst knowing I could get more for my money elsewhere. I don't doubt Levy and co are asking an extortionate amount but London is a massive pull for the super rich....

London is London
But in football terms it’s the 3rd city in this country
I agree foreigners love London but that may not always be the case
And Tottenham is Tottenham… it’s not prime London, it’s poor London

 

[DubSpur]

Their clubs are one city clubs
Their fan base would be there in a heart beat for a more successful team
That investment would pay back massively
Here your gonna need a chunk on top of the purchase to clear the debt
Then you also need money to invest
And there is no return on that money in reality
Only a fool would do that

Sheffield United would most likely disagree about Sheffield being a one team city.
How are you going to get around Profit and Sustainability rules to get that successful team?
Saudi Sportswashing Machine haven't been able to do it, so why do you think a club like SW or Bristol would?
And again, Saudi Sportswashing Machine are starting in a much better position than both those clubs.
I'm not saying it's impossible to bring a club up from their position to being consistently at the top of PL, but it's not going to be easy. It would be at least 2-3 decades work and even then it's not guaranteed.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

Their clubs are one city clubs
Their fan base would be there in a heart beat for a more successful team
That investment would pay back massively
Here your gonna need a chunk on top of the purchase to clear the debt
Then you also need money to invest
And there is no return on that money in reality
Only a fool would do that

Only a fool would see a football club as a pure investment play full stop.

It's horses for courses in the football club buying world. Someone wanting to buy us is not going to be interested in doing a regional phoenix from the flames rescue job.

We are a mature club, with so much already in place, financially killing it (in football terms) ...so really just someone that wants to ice the cake.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Sheffield United would most likely disagree about Sheffield being a one team city.
How are you going to get around Profit and Sustainability rules to get that successful team?
Saudi Sportswashing Machine haven't been able to do it, so why do you think a club like SW or Bristol would?
And again, Saudi Sportswashing Machine are starting in a much better position than both those clubs.
I'm not saying it's impossible to bring a club up from their position to being consistently at the top of PL, but it's not going to be easy. It would be at least 2-3 decades work and even then it's not guaranteed.

You do it over time
Bristol rovers would argue too
But in reality they are one team city’s where one team is the historically dominant player
Hasn’t taken Bournemouth decades to be competitive
Or Brighton
Or forest for that matter

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Only a fool would see a football club as a pure investment play full stop.

It's horses for courses in the football club buying world. Someone wanting to buy us is not going to be interested in doing a regional phoenix from the flames rescue job.

We are a mature club, with so much already in place, financially killing it (in football terms) ...so really just someone that wants to ice the cake.

And sports wash
Fans will accept that for a for wins more I know

 

[DubSpur]

You do it over time
Bristol rovers would argue too
But in reality they are one team city’s where one team is the historically dominant player
Hasn’t taken Bournemouth decades to be competitive
Or Brighton
Or forest for that matter

SU has been a yo-yo club between PL and Championship for a good number of years. SW have been nowhere near getting into the PL and have spent time in League one since they were last in the PL. It's not a one team city with SW being dominant.

Forest competitive? They're having one good season, they'll be back to fighting relegation next season, or at best midtable.
Plenty of clubs like that have spent a good number of years in the premier league before disappearing again. Burnley had about 10 years in the PL, qualified for Europe one season, then getting relegated and not been seen since.

The only team that has been bought and developed into a power house and competitive at the top of the league is City. That won't be done again with the new rules.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

SU has been a yo-yo club between PL and Championship for a good number of years. SW have been nowhere near getting into the PL and have spent time in League one since they were last in the PL. It's not a one team city with SW being dominant.

Forest competitive? They're having one good season, they'll be back to fighting relegation next season, or at best midtable.
Plenty of clubs like that have spent a good number of years in the premier league before disappearing again. Burnley had about 10 years in the PL, qualified for Europe one season, then getting relegated and not been seen since.

The only team that has been bought and developed into a power house and competitive at the top of the league is City. That won't be done again with the new rules.

Wait and see what happens at Saudi Sportswashing Machine now
They can sponsor themselves and also sell off things that aren’t worth anything for high value
The issue at Saudi Sportswashing Machine is the owners haven’t been interested, that’s all

 

[Finney Is Back]

What would you do
Chuck £3b at a club with head room but where the growth is nearly done
Or
Buy a Sheffield Wednesday or a Bristol (huge catchment) and spend that money over the next 10 years to create a beast that’s yours
Where is the validity in buying something off the shelf

Depends on what your ambition is. If the depth of your pockets are pretty much limitless and you're in it for the sports washing and reflective glory then you spend the £3b. If not then you go for the latter two.

THFC with a feeder club arrangement, a properly run recruitment department and an owner prepared to operate us close to the limit of allowed losses for FFP would compete with (and surpass) Emirates Marketing Project.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Depends on what your ambition is. If the depth of your pockets are pretty much limitless and you're in it for the sports washing and reflective glory then you spend the £3b. If not then you go for the latter two.

THFC with a feeder club arrangement, a properly run recruitment department and an owner prepared to operate us close to the limit of allowed losses for FFP would compete with (and surpass) Emirates Marketing Project.

But that means a state owner
They are the only ones who would do that
There aren’t many of them left except maybe the guys at PsG

 

[Finney Is Back]

I think the PL is weak as pee water at the minute. Liverpool are very good at times but their canter to the title without being spectacular shows where we are. I think beyond them and City and Arsenal its anyones game, if Chelsea changed managers and got a decent DOF them too.

But I think with a manager who seemingly has a better plan to pick up points in adversity we could be 4/5th easily. Issue is Ange has compounded issues by playing up to them and being gung ho with "it is who we are mate"

I disagree. I think it is getting better and better. It shows as well with the chasm between the clubs already in the PL and those coming up from the Championship, with it starting to become nigh on impossible for the promoted clubs not to go straight back down but are then more likely than not to bounce straight back up.

 

[Grays_1890]

I disagree. I think it is getting better and better. It shows as well with the chasm between the clubs already in the PL and those coming up from the Championship, with it starting to become nigh on impossible for the promoted clubs not to go straight back down but are then more likely than not to bounce straight back up.

Frankly I think the quality of the PL as a peak peak competition as in the elite, is really poor. I think as a competition the traditional lesser clubs are better for sure. But if I look at the top 2/3 clubs now, I don't think they are out of this world brilliant which was my main point.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Their clubs are one city clubs
Their fan base would be there in a heart beat for a more successful team
That investment would pay back massively
Here your gonna need a chunk on top of the purchase to clear the debt
Then you also need money to invest
And there is no return on that money in reality
Only a fool would do that

The people interested in buying THFC aren't necessarily interested just to make money. We've gone through that stage now. Lewis and Levy were those buyers and have milked that cow and increased their own net worth by a significant amount.

Our next buyer (should they ever arrive) will be one who is buying us for prestige and power, not just to make money.