Daniel Levy - Chairman

[DeanoAustin]

wasn’t that their crap year, where they finished mid table?

and Fabregas and hazard were on the bench because they had been dropped for playing brick rather than being rested?

Nope. Was the year Conte won the league with them. They were favourites heading into that game.

 

[Bishop]

No, you don't, don't recall saying you did, but it shows that we were a top team over those two years and competitive and able to challenge any team during that period.

Deffo we were very good those years and with some different luck or a drop in form from Chelsea we might have been able to do it but alas that wasn't the case. I'd argue again though that they never dropped those points because of how strong their squad was. The replacements they could bring in kept their first 11 very strong and Conte didn't rotate much but when he did it was almost like for like or at least the level of player that could have probably started for us.

However I would still argue that every single one of the finals or semis mentioned the better team on paper and reality won. Sure sometimes underdogs win and you can say why weren't we ever the underdogs that actually did it but those events are actually rare. Usually the better team wins, due to having the better players, the better depth and more options etc. We were never the expected team nor shopuld we have been.

 

[DubSpur]

Deffo we were very good those years and with some different luck or a drop in form from Chelsea we might have been able to do it but alas that wasn't the case. I'd argue again though that they never dropped those points because of how strong their squad was. The replacements they could bring in kept their first 11 very strong and Conte didn't rotate much but when he did it was almost like for like or at least the level of player that could have probably started for us.

However I would still argue that every single one of the finals or semis mentioned the better team on paper and reality won. Sure sometimes underdogs win and you can say why weren't we ever the underdogs that actually did it but those events are actually rare. Usually the better team wins, due to having the better players, the better depth and more options etc. We were never the expected team nor shopuld we have been.

Some we were definitely clear underdogs, but while not favourites in others we weren't plucky underdogs either. There were times we were pretty close on paper to the teams involved if not a match. The game against Chelsea we were close on paper, Poch fudging up and Chelsea not being in Europe that year so being fresher were more of the deciding factors.
Anyway, we're going around in circles.

 

[Gazza Dazzla]

Nope. Was the year Conte won the league with them. They were favourites heading into that game.

I’m not sure they were favorites, we were the form team going in to the game, Chelsea put in a ridiculous run of winning in the 2nd half of he season that took them to the title. Unfortunately Poch wanted to shoe horn Son in to the side somewhere so dropped the excellent (at the time) Davies from wing back and put Son there which ultimately cost us that particular game. Would have been great to be able to bring Son on in that game similar to how Conte changed it with Hazard.

 

[DeanoAustin]

I’m not sure they were favorites, we were the form team going in to the game, Chelsea put in a ridiculous run of winning in the 2nd half of he season that took them to the title. Unfortunately Poch wanted to shoe horn Son in to the side somewhere so dropped the excellent (at the time) Davies from wing back and put Son there which ultimately cost us that particular game. Would have been great to be able to bring Son on in that game similar to how Conte changed it with Hazard.

They were favourites. We were not favourite heading into any of the semi or the finals that we lost. They were league champions elect at the time.

The Sonny decision gets a lot of criticism, as it should - it was stupid, but it's impossible to tell whether it cost us the game.

 

[Gazza Dazzla]

They were favourites. We were not favourite heading into any of the semi or the finals that we lost. They were league champions elect at the time.

The Sonny decision gets a lot of criticism, as it should - it was stupid, but it's impossible to tell whether it cost us the game.

All we can do is disagree then mate I’m afraid

 

[Robspur12]

I’m not sure they were favorites, we were the form team going in to the game, Chelsea put in a ridiculous run of winning in the 2nd half of he season that took them to the title. Unfortunately Poch wanted to shoe horn Son in to the side somewhere so dropped the excellent (at the time) Davies from wing back and put Son there which ultimately cost us that particular game. Would have been great to be able to bring Son on in that game similar to how Conte changed it with Hazard.

Davis was coming back from injury iirc.

 

[Robspur12]

I’m not sure they were favorites, we were the form team going in to the game, Chelsea put in a ridiculous run of winning in the 2nd half of he season that took them to the title. Unfortunately Poch wanted to shoe horn Son in to the side somewhere so dropped the excellent (at the time) Davies from wing back and put Son there which ultimately cost us that particular game. Would have been great to be able to bring Son on in that game similar to how Conte changed it with Hazard.

Chelsea's first 11 that day was

• Courtois
• Azpilicueta
• David Luiz
• Aké
• Moses
• Kanté
• Matic
• Alonso
• Willian
• Batshuayi
• Pedro

Their subs were:-
Begovic
Fàbregas
Zouma
E Hazard
Diego Costa
Terry
Chalobah

Vs

Spurs first 11 was

• Lloris
• Dier
• Alderweireld
• Vertonghen
• Trippier
• Wanyama
• Dembélé
• Son Heung-min
• Eriksen
• Alli
• Kane

Our substitutes were
Walker
Janssen
Nkoudou
Sissoko
Wimmer
López
Davies

I have highlighted the quality subs.

Imo brilliant first 11 for both teams but Chelsea had that little bit more depth which makes the difference in one off games.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Why do you see it as a weak appointment? He was doing well in the City Football Group and they usually get their appointments spot on.

He has come from a minor league where the clubs have tiny budgets and is therefore unlikely to have good contacts and relationships in the locations that we should be sourcing players from. A strong appointment would’ve been one of those on the poll in the new DoF thread. Mum wouldn’t have been included as a name in that poll even if it had got to 100 names.

I don’t think Levy would cede enough control to allow us to get an actual top class DoF and therefore we’ve got a patsy who can act as the fall guy for Daniel if and when things go sour.

 

[DubSpur]

He has come from a minor league where the clubs have tiny budgets and is therefore unlikely to have good contacts and relationships in the locations that we should be sourcing players from. A strong appointment would’ve been one of those on the poll in the new DoF thread. Mum wouldn’t have been included as a name in that poll even if it had got to 100 names.

I don’t think Levy would cede enough control to allow us to get an actual top class DoF and therefore we’ve got a patsy who can act as the fall guy for Daniel if and when things go sour.

We're supposed to be still looking for a DoF (if we are it should've been sorted by now) so that would cover that side of things. I would say there's few that could name more than a handful of potential DoF so that list is just the well-known ones. As we're also supposed to be moving to a more data-driven model having a rolodex full of contact numbers isn't as crucial. We should also be sourcing players from anywhere we can find players that are good enough and fit in with what we need.

 

[Finney Is Back]

We're supposed to be still looking for a DoF (if we are it should've been sorted by now) so that would cover that side of things. I would say there's few that could name more than a handful of potential DoF so that list is just the well-known ones. As we're also supposed to be moving to a more data-driven model having a rolodex full of contact numbers isn't as crucial. We should also be sourcing players from anywhere we can find players that are good enough and fit in with what we need.

So what is it that leads you to believe that Munn is a strong appointment by the way?

 

[DubSpur]

So what is it that leads you to believe that Munn is a strong appointment by the way?

I don't have any opinion of him as I know next to nothing about him. The only thing I can go on was that he was moving up in the City Group and they seem to do an excellent job on that front, but that doesn't mean they were right or wrong on Munn.

I just find it a stretch to come to the conclusion that Levy has hired him as a fall guy. Did you not think Paratici was doing a good job and far from a fall guy? Why would it be different with Munn? I just don't see the logic in what you are saying.

 

[Grays_1890]

I don't have any opinion of him as I know next to nothing about him. The only thing I can go on was that he was moving up in the City Group and they seem to do an excellent job on that front, but that doesn't mean they were right or wrong on Munn.

I just find it a stretch to come to the conclusion that Levy has hired him as a fall guy. Did you not think Paratici was doing a good job and far from a fall guy? Why would it be different with Munn? I just don't see the logic in what you are saying.

The reason he has appointed him is that there needs to be someone solely accountable for the footballing side, yes Levy wins from that because he then can step back and someone else can cop the heat but in fairness thats the job. And fans have been calling for that for years now, they should be happy about it. I think regardless of the arguments on Munn, its a positive thing for all involved.

On the finals and SFs, regardless of the "who was favourite" stuff, there are so many nuances and intricacies in football matches that its always been a reach to solely blame one man, any many for why we didn't win any of them (I think its 9/10 in 20 years). For the blame then to be laid at the door of one person is rubbish and I say the same when people wanna blame Poch who over saw a number of them or the players who scored batches of goals all season and didn't get a sniff of one in those games over all those.

 

[DubSpur]

The reason he has appointed him is that there needs to be someone solely accountable for the footballing side, yes Levy wins from that because he then can step back and someone else can cop the heat but in fairness thats the job. And fans have been calling for that for years now, they should be happy about it. I think regardless of the arguments on Munn, its a positive thing for all involved.

Yes, Levy will step back and Munn will take the flak if things go bad, but do you not think he was hired primarily to do the job and not as a simple fall guy with little to no power?

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Yes, Levy will step back and Munn will take the flak if things go bad, but do you not think he was hired primarily to do the job and not as a simple fall guy with little to no power?

He was 100% hired to do the job
The fact he gives levy a buffer is neither here or there

 

[Grays_1890]

Yes, Levy will step back and Munn will take the flak if things go bad, but do you not think he was hired primarily to do the job and not as a simple fall guy with little to no power?

Course I do, I was just highlighting the upsides for him too. But the idea Levy self harms on purpose is ridiculous, people make mistakes, he makes mistakes, if you went back and watched all or nothing he is actually very candid about making mistakes. But he is not making decisions like Munn to solely act as a fall guy. I have been lucky enough to see the club at close quarters and its now a huge operation as big behind the scenes commercially than any hotel I have worked for so the club desperately needs the split of work, Levy created a beast that out grew him. If Munn is the right man or not time will tell but ultimately the club needs a smart strategic football administrator that can align the club

 

[DubSpur]

Course I do, I was just highlighting the upsides for him too. But the idea Levy self harms on purpose is ridiculous, people make mistakes, he makes mistakes, if you went back and watched all or nothing he is actually very candid about making mistakes. But he is not making decisions like Munn to solely act as a fall guy. I have been lucky enough to see the club at close quarters and its now a huge operation as big behind the scenes commercially than any hotel I have worked for so the club desperately needs the split of work, Levy created a beast that out grew him. If Munn is the right man or not time will tell but ultimately the club needs a smart strategic football administrator that can align the club

100% agree. Also, Levy isn't getting any younger, and can't be expected to put in as much energy as he obviously has in the decade leading up to the stadium opening.

 

[Finney Is Back]

I don't have any opinion of him as I know next to nothing about him. The only thing I can go on was that he was moving up in the City Group and they seem to do an excellent job on that front, but that doesn't mean they were right or wrong on Munn.

I just find it a stretch to come to the conclusion that Levy has hired him as a fall guy. Did you not think Paratici was doing a good job and far from a fall guy? Why would it be different with Munn? I just don't see the logic in what you are saying.

Because I think Paratici will get his job back once his ban is over.

 

[Lilbaz]

Because I think Paratici will get his job back once his ban is over.

Maybe, but what has that got to do with munn?

 

[Grays_1890]

100% agree. Also, Levy isn't getting any younger, and can't be expected to put in as much energy as he obviously has in the decade leading up to the stadium opening.

and BTW, before people jump on it, I am not defending Levy, he makes alot of mistakes, but I see him stepping back from the footballing side and bar him leaving this is a positive, everyone wanted that on here, now its happened I am not going to moan about it.....

Reading on Munns history it seems his expertise is working within scaling up operations a step we missed at Spurs during our growth.