Daniel Levy - Chairman

[DubaiSpur]

The amount of times we've been down to the last 4 we should've won a couple more trophies. What you're basically saying is if we had a little more luck in finals (and SFs) then Levy would be great, but luck went against us so he's crap.

Well, 'luck' is an interesting way to put it. Most of the times, we went out to clubs better managed and better funded than ours.

That isn't bad luck, that's reaching our natural limits against sides with flat out better owners than ours.

Take the FA Cup semifinal against Chelsea in 2017. We lost that game in part because we started Son at left-back and got skewered down that side, but also because, as Chelsea brought on world class player after world class player from their bench (Fabregas, Kante and others, iirc)...

..all we had to throw on in response was Janssen.

Likewise for the CC final in 2015, the CL final in 2019, the CC final in 2021 - we lost all of them to teams that were flat out better than us, on the field and on the bench.

This is 100% down to the cretin that owns us and his mediocre henchman running us as they have for 22 years.

 

[Baleforce]

Well, 'luck' is an interesting way to put it. Most of the times, we went out to clubs better managed and better funded than ours.

That isn't bad luck, that's reaching our natural limits against sides with flat out better owners than ours.

Take the FA Cup semifinal against Chelsea in 2017. We lost that game in part because we started Son at left-back and got skewered down that side, but also because, as Chelsea brought on world class player after world class player from their bench (Fabregas, Kante and others, iirc)...

..all we had to throw on in response was Janssen.

Likewise for the CC final in 2015, the CL final in 2019, the CC final in 2021 - we lost all of them to teams that were flat out better than us, on the field and on the bench.

This is 100% down to the cretin that owns us and his mediocre henchman running us as they have for 22 years.

they brought on a couple of good players yes, but the eleven we started in that game was massively superior to the eleven they started with

game should have been out of sight by HT, but, we bottled it

 

[Robspur12]

The amount of times we've been down to the last 4 we should've won a couple more trophies. What you're basically saying is if we had a little more luck in finals (and SFs) then Levy would be great, but luck went against us so he's crap.

It is not luck though there is a correlation between either finishing 4th or winning a trophy. No club out side the big 5 have done both. We priotise finishing 4th (rightly or wrongly depending on your viewpoint) so it is unlikely without significantly more investment that we will win trophies too.

 

[metalgear]

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[DubSpur]

It is not luck though there is a correlation between either finishing 4th or winning a trophy. No club out side the big 5 have done both. We priotise finishing 4th (rightly or wrongly depending on your viewpoint) so it is unlikely without significantly more investment that we will win trophies too.

Of course luck comes into a one off match. Sissoko giving away a pen in the first min of the CL final was an obvious example of bad luck. Repeat that cross 1000 times again and it doesn't hit his arm.
The prioritising finishing 4th is overblown, we've reached plenty of finals and SFs in the last 10-12 years.

 

[Bishop]

they brought on a couple of good players yes, but the eleven we started in that game was massively superior to the eleven they started with

game should have been out of sight by HT, but, we bottled it

You love talking nonsense when it comes to our rivals. [emoji23]

That same Chelsea side won the League that year on 93 points.



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[DubSpur]

Well, 'luck' is an interesting way to put it. Most of the times, we went out to clubs better managed and better funded than ours.

That isn't bad luck, that's reaching our natural limits against sides with flat out better owners than ours.

Take the FA Cup semifinal against Chelsea in 2017. We lost that game in part because we started Son at left-back and got skewered down that side, but also because, as Chelsea brought on world class player after world class player from their bench (Fabregas, Kante and others, iirc)...

..all we had to throw on in response was Janssen.

Likewise for the CC final in 2015, the CL final in 2019, the CC final in 2021 - we lost all of them to teams that were flat out better than us, on the field and on the bench.

This is 100% down to the cretin that owns us and his mediocre henchman running us as they have for 22 years.

They weren't flat out better than us, the teams were fairly even in those games besides 2021. And it isn't just down to the owners, the finalists in those games have a lot deeper pockets than we have or do you really blame Levy for not building a team that can beat one of the best teams ever and financed by an oil state in the 2021 League Cup?

Outside that we've also lost against teams that we are clearly better than in the latter stages of cup competitions.

 

[DeanoAustin]

they brought on a couple of good players yes, but the eleven we started in that game was massively superior to the eleven they started with

game should have been out of sight by HT, but, we bottled it

Massively superior? Come on.

Don't think we started any of these games as favourites. Only one I was genuinely hopeful in was the semi v United in 2018.

 

[DubSpur]

Massively superior? Come on.

Don't think we started any of these games as favourites. Only one I was genuinely hopeful in was the semi v United in 2018.

Maybe not favourites, but we weren't massive underdogs either except for the 21 league cup.

 

[Bishop]

They weren't flat out better than us, the teams were fairly even in those games besides 2021. And it isn't just down to the owners, the finalists in those games have a lot deeper pockets than we have or do you really blame Levy for not building a team that can beat one of the best teams ever and financed by an oil state in the 2021 League Cup?

Outside that we've also lost against teams that we are clearly better than in the latter stages of cup competitions.

Yes they bloody were. [emoji1787]

Not one of those teams were we better than or even considered better than outside of some deluded Tottenham fan base. [emoji1787]

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[Robspur12]

Of course luck comes into a one off match. Sissoko giving away a pen in the first min of the CL final was an obvious example of bad luck. Repeat that cross 1000 times again and it doesn't hit his arm.
The prioritising finishing 4th is overblown, we've reached plenty of finals and SFs in the last 10-12 years.

Even without Sissoko's brain fart we probably would have lost that game Liverpool were the better team on paper and in reality. The stats don't lie, only the teams with the biggest investment win both a final and finish top 4. It is absolutely a case that one makes the other difficult as you have to have your best players available to achieve either. So if you have a relatively small squad then the games eventually catch up with you by the latter part of the season.

 

[Bishop]

Even without Sissoko's brain fart we probably would have lost that game Liverpool were the better team on paper and in reality. The stats don't lie, only the teams with the biggest investment win both a final and finish top 4. It is absolutely a case that one makes the other difficult as you have to have your best players available to achieve either. So if you have a relatively small squad then the games eventually catch up with you by the latter part of the season.

Liverpool were literally 26 points better than in the league that season and yet some fans somehow still want to claim there wasn't much between us. Even going into that game Liverpool had won something stupid like 15 out of 14 games and we were one a brick run like winning 4 out of 16. Yet you're still seeing people create some weird narrative in their heads. [emoji2367]

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[Baleforce]

You love talking nonsense when it comes to our rivals. [emoji23]

That same Chelsea side won the League that year on 93 points.



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Massively superior? Come on.

Don't think we started any of these games as favourites. Only one I was genuinely hopeful in was the semi v United in 2018.

wasn’t that their crap year, where they finished mid table?

and Fabregas and hazard were on the bench because they had been dropped for playing brick rather than being rested?

 

[DubSpur]

Even without Sissoko's brain fart we probably would have lost that game Liverpool were the better team on paper and in reality. The stats don't lie, only the teams with the biggest investment win both a final and finish top 4. It is absolutely a case that one makes the other difficult as you have to have your best players available to achieve either. So if you have a relatively small squad then the games eventually catch up with you by the latter part of the season.

Yup, they were a better team than us, we fell off a cliff around Xmas, but that bit of bad luck killed the game before it started.
Since 2012 we've been in 5 SFs and 3 finals, that's enough chances to win a trophy with a bit of luck or maybe the right mentality.

 

[DubSpur]

You love talking nonsense when it comes to our rivals. [emoji23]

That same Chelsea side won the League that year on 93 points.

Chelsea finished 7 points ahead of us in 2017. We'd had two seasons fighting for the league and had the highest total points over the two seasons.
They weren't far superior to us. Poch fudged up and cost us that game. Maybe it's you talking nonsense and down playing how good we were those couple of years?

 

[Bishop]

Chelsea finished 7 points ahead of us in 2017. We'd had two seasons fighting for the league and had the highest total points over the two seasons.
They weren't far superior to us. Poch fudged up and cost us that game. Maybe it's you talking nonsense and down playing how good we were those couple of years?

We had the highest points cumulatively over the two seasons because we faced different sides. Both sides were better than us in the actual season. How we did over the 2 seasons is a nice factoid but functionally irrelevant, the season isn't played over two seasons. There are no trophies given for having the best 2, 3, 5 or even 10 year spell.

I didn't say Chelsea 2017 were a far superior, I said Liverpool 2019 were and they absolutely were. Its not even debatable. Chelsea were a better side with a slightly better first 11 and millions times better depth. Thats why they won that game, they could call on the Player of then Season in Hazard who didn't even start the match. Thats real depth of quality. We have never had that.

 

[Baleforce]

We had the highest points cumulatively over the two seasons because we faced different sides. Both sides were better than us in the actual season. How we did over the 2 seasons is a nice factoid but functionally irrelevant, the season isn't played over two seasons. There are no trophies given for having the best 2, 3, 5 or even 10 year spell.

I didn't say Chelsea 2017 were a far superior, I said Liverpool 2019 were and they absolutely were. It’s not even debatable. Chelsea were a better side with a slightly better first 11 and millions times better depth. Thats why they won that game, they could call on the Player of then Season in Hazard who didn't even start the match. Thats real depth of quality. We have never had that.

They started Moses ahead of him right?

We could replicate that by leaving Son on the bench and starting someone brick too.

That alone doesn’t show depth.

 

[Bishop]

They started Moses ahead of him right?

We could replicate that by leaving Son on the bench and starting someone brick too.

That alone doesn’t show depth.

Moses would be a million times better than our alternative, thats the point. Besides Moses was very good that season in the WB role that suited him perfectly. Bro you need to stop trolling yourself and actually watch the football without your built in bias. I can't take you seriously when you speak about other teams.

 

[DubSpur]

We had the highest points cumulatively over the two seasons because we faced different sides. Both sides were better than us in the actual season. How we did over the 2 seasons is a nice factoid but functionally irrelevant, the season isn't played over two seasons. There are no trophies given for having the best 2, 3, 5 or even 10 year spell.

I didn't say Chelsea 2017 were a far superior, I said Liverpool 2019 were and they absolutely were. Its not even debatable. Chelsea were a better side with a slightly better first 11 and millions times better depth. Thats why they won that game, they could call on the Player of then Season in Hazard who didn't even start the match. Thats real depth of quality. We have never had that.

No, you don't, don't recall saying you did, but it shows that we were a top team over those two years and competitive and able to challenge any team during that period.

 

[DubSpur]

They started Moses ahead of him right?

We could replicate that by leaving Son on the bench and starting someone brick too.

That alone doesn’t show depth.

Moses was excellent as WB, it was when Conte actually improved players, he changed Moses position and made him a top player for the couple of years he was there.