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Vedran Corluka
Same type of performance. After this match, this was the end of a few players. I look forward to the same clean out. If we can't do that then we have no chance at better future.
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Daniel Levy - Chairman
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fernadez
Dean Austin
I expect(ed) Jose to win something, I saw the end coming for Poch the Watford game after we beat United away.
Looking back on the last few years, that's two managers, two different styles, ethos, mentalities etc and the end result has been the same. Sure the highs were higher with Poch due to a combination of reasons but the last year if his tenure and this period of Jose's are scarily similar. I understand what Levy was gambling on, that it wasn't the players but the manager had run he's race and that maybe someone else could squeeze a bit more out of them, but now he has to face up to the clubs failings. Rose still getting paid, back up players under Poch's era are still at the club and in some case starters. Players not shipped out when they should have been etc etc. Are scouting and recruitment has been failing for a while. Grealish, Maddison, Watkins, Aarons, Fernandes off the top of my head are players we could have signed if we wanted to and didn't, I'm sure there are others. We've either signed inferior options or kept inferior options.
Will changing the manager help? Probably in the short term, but the club needs to be structured to compete rather than to make money, that stage of our evolution is done now. Even the Dildo Brothers have decided to get out of the managers way and let him do his job. Start getting in some football people into these senior positions and let them work with the manager (whoever that is) and start moving forward.
Looking back on the last few years, that's two managers, two different styles, ethos, mentalities etc and the end result has been the same. Sure the highs were higher with Poch due to a combination of reasons but the last year if his tenure and this period of Jose's are scarily similar. I understand what Levy was gambling on, that it wasn't the players but the manager had run he's race and that maybe someone else could squeeze a bit more out of them, but now he has to face up to the clubs failings. Rose still getting paid, back up players under Poch's era are still at the club and in some case starters. Players not shipped out when they should have been etc etc. Are scouting and recruitment has been failing for a while. Grealish, Maddison, Watkins, Aarons, Fernandes off the top of my head are players we could have signed if we wanted to and didn't, I'm sure there are others. We've either signed inferior options or kept inferior options.
Will changing the manager help? Probably in the short term, but the club needs to be structured to compete rather than to make money, that stage of our evolution is done now. Even the Dildo Brothers have decided to get out of the managers way and let him do his job. Start getting in some football people into these senior positions and let them work with the manager (whoever that is) and start moving forward.
The way which you describe Poch's ending is quite accurate IMO and is what differentiates his ending and the end of Jose, assuming we're approaching his final days.
Both end periods obviously had a lot of poor results - thats what ends most managers. The thing about Poch's demise, which is a shame, is that he had a lot of credit in the bank for the man who he is, the values he held, the way players liked him, the way fans liked him, the football he played - many many reasons. That's very different to where Jose is.
Had it not been for the above 'shell of a human' type comment which you mention above, Poch should have been able to see through the poor period in order to get through to the other side...and would have been allowed that time (I hope) because of the credit and goodwill which I mention
Finney Is Back
Luka Modric
In Redknapp’s final year Spurs finished 4th. In Pochettino’s final (full) year we finished 4th and got to the CL final.
Bishop
John Lacy
Harry didn't really crumble he just took his eye of the ball due to the England position. As soon as he lost out on that job he started winning again.
He was sacked because Levy disliked his disloyalty not because he was unsuccessful.
DeanoAustin
Jimmy McCormick
Saw that and was quite surprised how low down we are on that particular chart. I would have said we are without doubt well run.
However, I think my definition of well run probably differs from a lot of fans who hold Levy and Enic primarily responsible for the lack of trophies.
MKSpur
Christian Ziege
Looking at the table it seems more of a general satisfaction with how your team is performing against expectations. West Ham a little outlier due to the emotional impact of the stadium move despite the fact they have had players a managers of a higher profile and now are getting good results
Baleforce
Arthur Rowe
parklane1
Tony Galvin
I think that is spot on, we are well run but a lot of the Levy haters will never admit it.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
That’s the key
I hear that they should just fudge off
Or levy should be sacked
With no comprehension that we’re talking about owners here, not football managers
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People want simple
- Owners throw money at team = good
- Owners manage the club in a responsible way = bad
Hilarious how many teams in that top 10 list of "well run" have no coherent/understandable long term plan to secure the clubs future competitiveness.
parklane1
Tony Galvin
Indeed, sad state of affairs to be honest.
Yiddo
Jack Jull
Its all the spoilt fans who forget what the club was like before Levy.
ricky2tricky4city
Steffen Freund
There are other tables from the survey that cover that type of stuff.
This really is an owner's focused question.
ricky2tricky4city
Steffen Freund
Not the goldfish short memory/attention span brig.ade?
Kandi1977
Garth Crooks
Over the years I've learnt that a very large percentage of people are complete idiots, with absolutely no ability to see further than their nose.
braineclipse
Steve Sedgley
I think it's definitely that easy for some.
I also think owners and chairmen are often evaluated based on who came before them. Levy/ENIC have been here so long that this becomes difficult/irrelevant. Going through a period of bad ownership probably makes people appreciate the better one's more. Here's to hoping we won't have to go trough that.
I also think owners are compared to idealised versions of other owners. Team X outperforms expectations properly for a handful of years, it's perhaps fair to ask why can't we do the same? But those examples are often just a few, and often for a limited time and in very different circumstances to ours. Arguably there's even a bit of luck involved.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
I agree
Look at Saudi Sportswashing Machine fans complaining about Ashley, yet I’d guess they have spent as long in the top division % wise under him as theh have under other owners
And they never win anything for them to compare that too