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You can't just times it by 4 though. A large proportion of the 25% who had it were the old and vulnerable, as hospitals and care homes were the main vectors for it.

Evidence please for your claim that ‘a large proportion of the 25% who had it were the old and vulnerable’. I’ll be happy to look at any links you can provide to support what you say.

And I’d agree that you can’t just times it by four - that doesn’t take account of the collapse of the NHS which would undoubtedly have happened should lockdowns not have been imposed. The effects of that would have seen large numbers of people dying from heart attacks, strokes and other things needing emergency attention, in addition to all of those presenting at hospitals with covid who wouldn’t have been able to access treatment.

So, yes, multiplying by four is probably an underestimate.

I think a lot of the time they do it to feed their ego's in the public eye too
Things are going well, we've 10 days of lovely sunshine coming up, people are happy
Ah lets keep saying we might have to push back lockdown 4 to the end of July
I think some of them get a massive kick out of it

Yes, that’s what highly educated scientists were doing by giving their advice - trying to give themselves kicks. :rolleyes:
 
Nearly 75% with 1 done now
Deaths and Hospitalizations rising a tiny bit, be interesting to see the age and vaccine status of those though

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I think a lot of the time they do it to feed their ego's in the public eye too
Things are going well, we've 10 days of lovely sunshine coming up, people are happy
Ah lets keep saying we might have to push back lockdown 4 to the end of July
I think some of them get a massive kick out of it

I think the sunshine is very timely here and we will be fine for ending restrictions in June. If they don’t we should ignore them anyway.

The spread of this variant is on Boris and quite honestly he cannot expect us all to persist with this crap over summer.
 
The US are basically back to pre Covid living now I hear from a NY based colleague at work. Everything’s open, no masks in bars / restaurant’s, optional to wear masks in shops. Air traffic almost back to normal.

Getting on with life again, can’t wait till it’s the same in Europe, put this crap behind us.
 
Deaths and Hospitalizations rising a tiny bit, be interesting to see the age and vaccine status of those though

They can't do that because they know exactly what would happen if they actually admitted they are all older vaccine refusers. The biggest party since VE Day would spontaneously kick off
 
Since the middle of May when the 30’s group got the call to get the jab, over 50% have had it already, that’s a large amount and fast
The sentiment is the same but the timeframe isn't necessarily, as 30s have been getting them since mid-April in the areas that are going quickest
 
Feels like there is a push for the final stage of the lockdown not to happen on June 21st. I don’t think anyone honestly knows at this point but I really don’t see any compelling argument or reason not to unlock in three weeks. Case numbers may be starting to creep but that’s normal as people are mixing more, especially younger people who haven’t been vaccinated. The numbers of hospital admissions and total number of daily deaths remain relatively low and I wouldn’t be surprised if those in hospital were people who chose not to get the jab. I’m not right wing but it does feel like there’s a media push not to open up. I get that we can’t Let hospitals get overwhelmed again but it doesn’t appear to be happening and how long do people think we can stay in lockdown for? At some point we’ve got to get on with our lives again as harsh as that sounds. I don’t want to stay living under restrictions for another year or 2, or 5.
 
Feels like there is a push for the final stage of the lockdown not to happen on June 21st. I don’t think anyone honestly knows at this point but I really don’t see any compelling argument or reason not to unlock in three weeks. Case numbers may be starting to creep but that’s normal as people are mixing more, especially younger people who haven’t been vaccinated. The numbers of hospital admissions and total number of daily deaths remain relatively low and I wouldn’t be surprised if those in hospital were people who chose not to get the jab. I’m not right wing but it does feel like there’s a media push not to open up. I get that we can’t Let hospitals get overwhelmed again but it doesn’t appear to be happening and how long do people think we can stay in lockdown for? At some point we’ve got to get on with our lives again as harsh as that sounds. I don’t want to stay living under restrictions for another year or 2, or 5.
My question in this is what is actually really due to change after the 21st?
We will still be told to wear masks
Places will still operate with social distancing of some sort but not under some threat of closure
I guess venues can have bigger capacities
But anything else I’ve missed?
 
My question in this is what is actually really due to change after the 21st?
We will still be told to wear masks
Places will still operate with social distancing of some sort but not under some threat of closure
I guess venues can have bigger capacities
But anything else I’ve missed?

I thought social distancing measures easing, indoor venues at full capacity etc. Also people start going back to the office 3 days a week. That’s when my company expect me to return.
 
Good news on immunity

Scientists have feared that immunity to the coronavirus, whether through infection or vaccination, may be short-lived. But a pair of novel studies suggest that immunity lasts for at least a year — and maybe even decades for some people.

“For people who have had Covid and have been vaccinated, this is excellent news because it means that they will probably never need a booster again — it seems like they’re pretty much set for life,” said my colleague Apoorva Mandavilli, who covers science for The Times. “For people who haven’t had Covid but are vaccinated, those people will probably need boosters, and within a year or so.”

Both of the studies looked at a type of immune cell that can remember the virus and lives in the bone marrow until it is needed to produce antibodies.

“Getting bone marrow is an involved procedure, it’s not just like drawing blood,” Apoorva said. “So the fact that they were able to get bone marrow from people, and not just once but multiple times, is a big deal.”

The scientists discovered that as these immune cells continued to evolve, the antibodies they produced became better at fighting infection.

“Even after the active infection was over, these cells kept learning because the immune system retained a piece of the virus,” Apoorva said. “Over time, the immune cells continued to improve how well they could target the virus. They became broader in their repertoire, so they could work against a much broader range of variants.”

Vaccines may not offer the same results, because immune memory is likely organized differently after immunization, than with an infection. And even those who have recovered from an infection still need doses.

“Some subset of people don’t necessarily produce a very strong immune response when they’ve been exposed to the virus,” Apoorva said. “So, really, everybody should get vaccinated, whether they’ve been infected or not.”
 
Good news on immunity

Scientists have feared that immunity to the coronavirus, whether through infection or vaccination, may be short-lived. But a pair of novel studies suggest that immunity lasts for at least a year — and maybe even decades for some people.

“For people who have had Covid and have been vaccinated, this is excellent news because it means that they will probably never need a booster again — it seems like they’re pretty much set for life,” said my colleague Apoorva Mandavilli, who covers science for The Times. “For people who haven’t had Covid but are vaccinated, those people will probably need boosters, and within a year or so.”

Both of the studies looked at a type of immune cell that can remember the virus and lives in the bone marrow until it is needed to produce antibodies.

“Getting bone marrow is an involved procedure, it’s not just like drawing blood,” Apoorva said. “So the fact that they were able to get bone marrow from people, and not just once but multiple times, is a big deal.”

The scientists discovered that as these immune cells continued to evolve, the antibodies they produced became better at fighting infection.

“Even after the active infection was over, these cells kept learning because the immune system retained a piece of the virus,” Apoorva said. “Over time, the immune cells continued to improve how well they could target the virus. They became broader in their repertoire, so they could work against a much broader range of variants.”

Vaccines may not offer the same results, because immune memory is likely organized differently after immunization, than with an infection. And even those who have recovered from an infection still need doses.

“Some subset of people don’t necessarily produce a very strong immune response when they’ve been exposed to the virus,” Apoorva said. “So, really, everybody should get vaccinated, whether they’ve been infected or not.”
I'm not sure what they've discovered here, beyond how the immune system has always behaved and operated?
 
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