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Chelsea Post-Match Discussion Thread

I find it inexplicable because the entire left side of the pitch is wide open. I don't get why he decided to do that maneuver. It looks like our forward players are making runs, expecting a pass. There are risks and there are calculated risks. Sometimes safety is the better option and it does not make us Stoke.

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If he doesn't slip I feel confident saying that I don't think anyone reacts to that "maneuver" negatively. Of course when he slips in hindsight it's very easy to talk about risks and calculated risks. But slipping shouldn't be a large part of that risk benefit evaluation at the time.

9 times out of 10 a long ball there means losing possession to Terry and Cahill, it's what Chelsea wants us to do. None of our forward players are making runs that make them available for a pass, they're available for a long hopeful ball at best.

This came at a time when Chelsea were starting to turn the screw, starting to dominate, they'd started the second half much stronger after Oscar came on. It was a time when we needed our players to be brave on the ball, Vertonghen was that, but unfortunately he was also unlucky.
 
The very failings he displayed all too often in his first stint at our club. He is a very capable defender but needs to wake up sometimes. I'm hoping that his errors have been made within adjusting back to the first team. If he continues to make these errors after being in the first team for an extended period then his time at our club is going to be very limited from now.
 
We lost to a much better team, away from home, against a manager with just about the best home record ever.

We did so after gifting them 3 goals and the ref gifting them a 4th. No doubt in my mind they deserved the win, and it was a really tough blow to see us capitulate like that, but we weren't bad in the first half and really we were let down by a string of individual errors.

Can't really blame the tactics I think, not really a tactic available that makes us favourites in that game and regardless of how we set up we would have had to ride our luck a bit at times to get a result. When we needed that we failed by making individual errors.

Some real worries at centre back going forward, particularly if Kaboul's red doesn't get rescinded or his injury problems return.

I agree with this assessment. For us to have won, all our players would have had to been at the top of their game, Chelsea have an off day, and we would have needed to benefit fro the sort of luck/ gifts that was gifted to Chelski. It didn't happen.

However, I applaud Sherwood for his tactics and selection. I think it was probably the best available in the circumstances. Apart from the first five minutes, it was working a treat and until Verts' slip, we were frustrating Chelski and were very much in the game. We had several half chances ourselves, (Bentelab, Sandro and Kaboul) and at that point the game was in the balance.

It is amazing that just like the City game, the ref awards a soft penalty at 0-1, wrongly sends our player off and against the two best teams in the country at the moment, we are suddenly 0-2 down with 10 v 11 for more than half an hour. As my Scottish friends might say, nae luck there.

I agree with those that say left back remains a problem position. I am mystified why we let BAE go without bringing in a replacement, and even more dumbfounded as to why we didn't rectify this blatant error in January. I said at the time that not buying a left back ( and Ade substitute) would come back to haunt us. I hate it when I am proved correct. If we had a decent LB, Kaboul and Verts could have played CBs ( a more advantageous paring IMO ) and we would be more balanced everywhere else instead of having to shuffle players around in not their natural positions.

In retrospect, Sig and Lennon were disappointing. We may well have had Soldado and Townsend on in their stead. At least that would have given us more potency.

Oh well, maybe against the Arsnl it will all come good!
 
I avoided the game yesterday because I had such a bad feeling about it (didn't even look the score up until today). Vertongen slips, but then he attempts what exactly? A pass back to his own centre backs? Bizarre, if you have slipped and you are under pressure, why not simply boot it out of play? I've just looked at the gif 5 times and can't see what he was trying to do, apart from give Chelsea a present.
 
I thought we were trying to be solid yesterday and stay in the game. For the first few minutes, it looked like the players were adjusting to the setup, but after that, we looked quite comfortable. That was the first half....

2nd half, well we have an error from Vertonghen that gifts them an opener and their first shot on target to boot. But the concern is how we react as a group when we goal a goal down and encounter a setback. The reaction needed to be to keep it tight and keep it at 1-0, no more silly errors, and play some percentage football for 15 minutes to regain a foothold in the game. Then we could gradually get our way back into it and possibly rally late and nick an equaliser. A 1-1 draw and we'd have been happy.

Instead, we go 1-0 down and heads drop. We don't tighten up, we get sloppier, we try and play faster and we make more mistakes. End up getting a soft penalty given against us, but we shouldn't be allowing the ball into such an area, so easily, soon after letting in the first goal.

At that point, it's 2-0 and a red, and we know the game is finished. But where is the pride? Why don't we react by saying "We've been hammered a few times this season, let's shut these c//ts out for the rest of the game and not let in more than 2." At least the players and management could take something from that. Instead, we just fold, with mistakes on top of mistakes.

How do you cure it? I'm not sure. We need players that play hard for the manager and the club, rather than ones who have an eye on the exit. Some players play well even if they know they'd rather be elsewhere (Bale, Suarez at Liverpool, Modric for us). But we have a few players (not in that class by the way) who are phoning it in at the minute. And there looks to be a few more who seem disillusioned with it all.

That's not acceptable. Playing for the shirt is a cliche, but these players should be earning their right to play in our team. We have a decent player like Livermore out on loan who may not have the talent of Dembele/Paulinho, but wouldn't have done any worse than them this season. We've seen Bentaleb come in at 19 years old and take more responsibility in games than any midfielders we have recently signed.

We'd be better off building our team around decent players who want to be here, primarily ones who either signed young and developed with us, or ones who came all the way through our youth ranks. We can add a little bit of star quality to that, for a bit of fleeting glory until they move on. What we seem to have now is too many players with an eye on the exit, and not enough who really want to be making their way at Spurs. Mercenaries work if they are the A-Team, but we can't sign those players coz they go to the likes of Chelsea, City etc.
 
Looking at his angle to the ball, and to the pitch, I'm not sure that Vertonghen could have been confident with any action that he took. He couldn't have kicked it out horizontally to him, so he would be taking a risk that the ball would stay in play, if he tried to kick it out. The ball was behind Vertonghen.

I think he was hoping that he could get the ball to a team mate who could help out but unfortunately the pass was misdirected. Had Kaboul been further back, as perhaps he could have been then he may have received the pass.

All of this was completed whilst Vertonghen was likely inwardly panicking about his slip so he couldn't think clearly.

The fault lays with Vertonghen panicking and passing back to goal rather than to anywhere else. The video makes it appear as of Vertonghen barely looks back before playing his pass. He had no idea who was there and so it was a naive pass to make.

In hindsight, perhaps his best move was to let the ball go free. Chelsea would have had more to do at that point, even if we would still have struggled to defend any attack.
 
Looking at his angle to the ball, and to the pitch, I'm not sure that Vertonghen could have been confident with any action that he took. He couldn't have kicked it out horizontally to him, so he would be taking a risk that the ball would stay in play, if he tried to kick it out. The ball was behind Vertonghen.

I think he was hoping that he could get the ball to a team mate who could help out but unfortunately the pass was misdirected. Had Kaboul been further back, as perhaps he could have been then he may have received the pass.

All of this was completed whilst Vertonghen was likely inwardly panicking about his slip so he couldn't think clearly.

The fault lays with Vertonghen panicking and passing back to goal rather than to anywhere else. The video makes it appear as of Vertonghen barely looks back before playing his pass. He had no idea who was there and so it was a naive pass to make.

In hindsight, perhaps his best move was to let the ball go free. Chelsea would have had more to do at that point, even if we would still have struggled to defend any attack.

You really don't think I couldn't have just kicked the ball out for a throw as soon as it happened? Come on?!?
 
And the fact that this was Kaboul's first game back? I can understand the reservations of not wanting Hazard up against Fryers, and perhaps Mourinho could have switched to this, but Kaboul and Dawson's positional sense as a partnership was shocking at times. The pair should have been a lot closer but were regularly almost poles apart. Look at the start of the Eto'o chance clip and the gap is huge! The positional sense, as a partnership, was that poor likely due to this being the first game in a while that the pair played together. Vertonghen and Dawson have a greater understanding.

I agree that Fryers as left back is hardly ideal but that's largely the fault of the club not keeping BAE/getting a new left back in.

I agree, their positioning was bad. But they are both professional footballers who've played there for their entire career. They should be able to come into a game and not perform like they've literally never seen each other. All it takes is a little communication. For me the back 4 picked had they all performed to their ability gave us a better chance of not conceding than had Fryers been in there. Players didn't perform though.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

The NLD is a chance for him to redeem himself. Otherwise I think it's clear he is no improvement on AVB at all. He parked the bus yesterday and we got found out. He has tried to over attack sometimes. Occasionally there seems to be balance in selection but defensively we have been fragile. Reactionary coaching with no real plan.

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Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

The NLD is a chance for him to redeem himself. Otherwise I think it's clear he is no improvement on AVB at all. He parked the bus yesterday and we got found out. He has tried to over attack sometimes. Occasionally there seems to be balance in selection but defensively we have been fragile. Reactionary coaching with no real plan.

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I dont get that... I wouldnt call individual errors as being found out - seriously!!!
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I dont get that... I wouldnt call individual errors as being found out - seriously!!!

Individual errors cost us against Pool and City under AVB. I don't see how TS has improved us. If anything he has Adebayor firing and the rest of the team has regressed.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I dont get that... I wouldnt call individual errors as being found out - seriously!!!

I agree 100% - there is nothing that tim sherwood can do about Jan slipping over - no way you can plan for that.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

The NLD is a chance for him to redeem himself. Otherwise I think it's clear he is no improvement on AVB at all. He parked the bus yesterday and we got found out. He has tried to over attack sometimes. Occasionally there seems to be balance in selection but defensively we have been fragile. Reactionary coaching with no real plan.

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How the **** did he park the bus?
Did you even watch the game yesterday or just happen to look at the team lineup before hand?
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Either the definition of "parking the bus" has changed or I watched a different game.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Either the definition of "parking the bus" has changed or I watched a different game.

Exactly. If we parked the bus then so did Chelsea. Tim's tactics were working well up to the first goal. We were looking as likely to win as them.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Either the definition of "parking the bus" has changed or I watched a different game.

The odd thing was that both teams parked the bus. The difference was we did it so Chelsea couldn't punish us, whereas Chelsea did it so they could punish us.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

The odd thing was that both teams parked the bus. The difference was we did it so Chelsea couldn't punish us, whereas Chelsea did it so they could punish us.

Neither team parked the ****ing bus.
Just because neither team was capable of create anything doesn't mean the opposition parked the bus.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Neither team parked the ****ing bus.
Just because neither team was capable of create anything doesn't mean the opposition parked the bus.

I thought our first half was decent, especially considering the unusual formation. Chel$ki are a solid, solid unit, as almost all Jose teams are. It is the mental fragility that is worrying and it was there under AVB - look how we started away at Emirates Marketing Project and crumbled against Pool and Wet Spam.
 
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