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Berahino in January for £25m?

Berahino in January for £25m?

  • Yes

    Votes: 21 36.2%
  • No

    Votes: 37 63.8%

  • Total voters
    58
Can you therefore highlight a half decent young striker who has moved to a top 6 EPL club for anything less than 10 mill in the past 5 years, even before the TV deal? And I am not even mentioning a young player of Berahino's potential

Your criteria seem a little arbitrary and I am not clear how that relates to what we were discussing. A smidge above your ceiling price but Sturridge joined Liverpool for £12m. Sterling joined Liverpool for £600k.

Interesting that we were saying very much the same thing about Schneiderlin and Southampton, last year. Those who do not heed history are bound to repeat it....

I don't think that we ever bid for Schneiderlin but it is clear that relations between the clubs aren't great.
 
Garlick?

That doesn't really change what I have said - we had our valuation, they had theirs, we couldn't agree a few between us, happens all the time - only usually you don't get one side putting everything out in the open in such a way
Levy has done.
 
Can you therefore highlight a half decent young striker who has moved to a top 6 EPL club for anything less than 10 mill in the past 5 years, even before the TV deal? And I am not even mentioning a young player of Berahino's potential



Interesting that we were saying very much the same thing about Schneiderlin and Southampton, last year. Those who do not heed history are bound to repeat it....

Not less than £10m but I have Welbeck and Sturridge off the top of my head for strikers. And I have Sinclair and Rodwell for other positions, because not many young english strikers that are half decent are around.
 
OK well I have set my stall out on what I have disliked about Levy.

With regards to Berahino, I do not believe the facts point to the fact that he has fudgeed up. There are 3 parties involved, 2 of which wanted to do a deal and 1 who didn't. We tried multiple times and to assume that Levy thought he could bluff Peace is a little non-sensical because he didn't do the same with N'Jie or Song in this transfer window alone. If you are the selling club it is in your interests to drag out to the last possible moment to drive as high a price as possible. If a chairman/club is willing to do that then there is nothing Levy could do to prevent that.

We clearly have different opinions then - and in the case of Clint and Son the analogy did not apply because we paid well over the odds compared to the price another club in the same league would have paid. It was not in WBA interest to drag this out because they wanted the money for replacements. Pulis's comments bear this out and it is backed by the director's comments today.

Again, people say that we should have just paid the £25m/£28m or whatever to get the deal done, and we should have offered it sooner. Again, I will say that is not how transfers work. http://www.skysports.com/transfer/n...ansfer-works-from-the-scouting-to-the-signing is a link that I have posted numerous times. Note how it says that when you place a bid it is usually when you think you have a good chance of winning and tha tnegotiations go on for a long period beforehand. So it stands to reason that our interest was before when our first bid was received. We talked to the relevant intermediaries and acted based on the information given.

It seems to have worked for Liverpool in the case of Benteke and for City's transfer of Sterling - which are the closest we can get to the Berahino attempt.

Now on to the topic of Levy low-balling and giving ridiculous payment structures. The only evidence of this is based on what WBA have said. However, what Spurs have said in return is that the payment structure followed that submitted by WBA for Fazio. Is it not fair that the payment structure that they deem reasonable also be used as a first basis for a proposed payment structure. What is wrong with that? Also Levy's payment structures don't seem to have been a problem with Son and N'Jie this window. Also, Levy is prepared to pay up front i.e. Dembele. So again, why is it that Levy is being honed out for criticism.

The evidence for this are the comments of a dozen clubs with whom we conducted major transfers in the past years.

We have missed out (I don't agree with fingers burned) on transfers not solely because of Levy. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous. Again I come back to what possible reason does Levy have for doing this and why does he not do it consistently? Why did he choose the Berahino deal to do it and not the N'Jie or Son deal this window alone? Why did he not do it for Lamela, Soldado etc..... People say there is a consistency in the way Levy does his deals but there is not! There is a consistency in the deals that have failed in that he has tried until the last day!

Again totally wrong analogies. Seville were skint and needed the Soldado money and we actually paid over the odds for the other three - as proven by the comments of both Roma and Lyon presidents.

As for the guess that no other club has a similar record, I posted up numerous times the timings of our transfers to show just how many of our transfers have happened after the season has started. If we are going to have a conversation based on fact, please can someone critical of Levy bring up some of the other clubs dealings to show that it is completely out of kilter. I bet that it won't be.

I bet it will... How many big money deadline day buys do you remember the top 6 getting in the past 5 years? How many Moutinho or Berahino situations did they have?

In no way am I saying that Levy is perfect, but the amount of vitriol and criticism that is levelled his way on this one deal is OTT. We missed out on a target because the other club did not want to sell. That is all. Move on, it's not the end of the world and it does not deserve the amount of criticism that is thrown his way. If people cannot balance that then I suggest you try and identify an alternative Chairman that with the same resources as us has managed a better transfer strategy. Even the mighty Chel53a and Emirates Marketing Project were doing deals late in the window. It's the rational strategy for a selling club to adopt particularly if you play in the same league as the club that is buying.

I guess we will need to agree to disagree. As I said, this relates to one transfer and I guess the reason many of us got such a bad taste in the mouth is because Poch was practically pleading how important a backup for Kane was.

I agree.. let's move on; though if (GHod forbid) Kane gets a bad injury before Christmas you can pretty much be sure that this thread will be back on the hot seat

 
Levy has done.

Done what? He didn't give a running commentary of the transfer nor has he ever to my knowledge - he made a statement after the window closed to address the supporters, who had been openly calling for a response from the in on our transfer activity!
 
Funny thing about this is that Jeremy Peace is very similar to Daniel Levy. His back ground is finance and he runs a tight ship usually making WBA a small profit. He seems to operate in a very similar way to levy in the transfer market especially in the face of a club trying to poach one of his star players. Yet here we have so called "pro" levy fans calling him an idiot and levy a wronged genius.
 
No not specifics but he puts out statements nevertheless when it suits his agenda Peace is the same.

Thanks for the kind words! I think the same in return, as at least we can have a discussion!

I think Levy has deliberately not gone into specifics because he just doesn't do so. I cannot remember a time where he has. I think this is a failing in some sense as Peace and WBA are "successfully" in this case embarrassing our club in the eyes of the media. The flip side is that, on the whole, I think all clubs would rather business is conducted in private. I do think that Levy had to say something given the circumstances. I would personally like to know more, but I respect that he is not sharing.
 
By the way mate love your posts at least you make sound reasoned arguments that are a good read rather than the same broken record about anti levy cobblers. Breath of fresh air mate.

It starts off like that, but he'll soon tail off - only so many times you can make the same reasoned logical arguments before realising it's a waste of time because no one takes any of it in!
:p
 
Funny thing about this is that Jeremy Peace is very similar to Daniel Levy. His back ground is finance and he runs a tight ship usually making WBA a small profit. He seems to operate in a very similar way to levy in the transfer market especially in the face of a club trying to poach one of his star players. Yet here we have so called "pro" levy fans calling him an idiot and levy a wronged genius.

I think that is fair to an extent. ;). Levy didn't play out the Bale transfer in public and in the case of Modric, at least he killed that early and said there was no movement on his transfer to Chelsea. Peace came out and said the same for Berahino, but obviously either him or the intermediaries gave the come on for another bid. It would not make sense for us to make more bids that were not radically different if we were not led to believe that it would be successful. It would just be a colossal waste of time otherwise.
 
Done what? He didn't give a running commentary of the transfer nor has he ever to my knowledge - he made a statement after the window closed to address the supporters, who had been openly calling for a response from the in on our transfer activity!
He gave a statement on the official site about the interest in berba and Keane before they were sold.
 
Funny thing about this is that Jeremy Peace is very similar to Daniel Levy. His back ground is finance and he runs a tight ship usually making WBA a small profit. He seems to operate in a very similar way to levy in the transfer market especially in the face of a club trying to poach one of his star players. Yet here we have so called "pro" levy fans calling him an idiot and levy a wronged genius.

It's his contradictory actions and the public way he has gone about things rather than the 'tough negotiator' persona that I think people are calling him an idiot for
 
It's his contradictory actions and the public way he has gone about things rather than the 'tough negotiator' persona that I think people are calling him an idiot for

Yes agree. I have no problem with him not selling. I have a problem with him making everything public and attacking the club that I support and thinking that I am stupid enough to believe his bile.
 
He gave a statement on the official site about the interest in berba and Keane before they were sold.

I was actually travelling round Europe that summer so can't really comment, would be surprised if it was in any way comparable to this situation though
 
Not less than £10m but I have Welbeck and Sturridge off the top of my head for strikers. And I have Sinclair and Rodwell for other positions, because not many young english strikers that are half decent are around.

Precisely... all four players were ones that their clubs were actively trying to shift as opposed to Berahino - and they still went for a seven zero sum.

If you want an EPL player, you pay over the odds unless that player has a buyout clause or is one that his club are actively trying to move on (and even then it's not uncommon for you to still pay over the odds for him)

If we wanted Berahino and the risk mitigation that he offered, we had to either pay over the odds for the privilege (since he did not fit in this category) or go for someone else. We tried to have the cake and eat it but ended up with custard all over our face.
 
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