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Andre Villas-Boas - Head Coach

the 4th/5th/4th argument is kinda straw man, that was with Redknapp backed by the board and trusted by the players, that era was over in march

we had to reboot

in my opinion we were successful in the first 2 full seasons because of Harry, last season we finished 4th despite Harry
 
Spursalot said:
Exactly. Just signed. You can't count him in any 'foundations' you might have, because when AVB arrived, he wasn't here.


I have no idea who you are talking about, because i've not read anyone state this in the last couple of pages.


Pretty much exactly the same first eleven? That's a bad thing really. Are United going to be playing with their same first eleven? Chelsea? Liverpool? No. All of them have attempted to improve their teams. Which is exactly the same as AVB is attempting to do.
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Of course you can count him, he played all last season and I am sure AVB was in contact with him from the minute he arrived because no doubt Levy was 90% sure he would be s Spurs player again this year. Other than that I agree with all else you've said above.

Obviously AVB is trying to improve the team. All I am saying is, with the players that he currently has, the minimum we should expect is to challenge for a CL spot, even more so if he makes some good signings.

To me, folks are implying that it's ok to finish outsite of the top 4 because AVB is building for the long term. What I am saying is if we don't at least challenge for it all our best players will go to pastures new and the building process must start from scratch again. To me, we are at a pivotal point here, we either push on from this season, finish in champions league, sign world class players and go on to challenge for titles (if we put up a good challenge for CL we may hold on to some for maybe one more season) or we don't, lose all our best players and have to live with another few years of mid tableness before we ever reash these heights again (if we ever do).

AVB has said himself, he wants to build on what we already have here. Losing our top players is not the way to do that.
 
galeforce said:
the 4th/5th/4th argument is kinda straw man, that was with Redknapp backed by the board and trusted by the players, that era was over in march

we had to reboot

in my opinion we were successful in the first 2 full seasons because of Harry, last season we finished 4th despite Harry
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So what your saying there is that the players got us to 4th place last season despite the manager. So how can it be ok for essentially the same players (minus modric but plus whoever AVB signs) not to get us to 4th place with a different manager?
 
Millsy_Yiddo said:
Of course you can count him, he played all last season and I am sure AVB was in contact with him from the minute he arrived because no doubt Levy was 90% sure he would be s Spurs player again this year. Other than that I agree with all else you've said above.

Obviously AVB is trying to improve the team. All I am saying is, with the players that he currently has, the minimum we should expect is to challenge for a CL spot, even more so if he makes some good signings.

To me, folks are implying that it's ok to finish outsite of the top 4 because AVB is building for the long term. What I am saying is if we don't at least challenge for it all our best players will go to pastures new and the building process must start from scratch again. To me, we are at a pivotal point here, we either push on from this season, finish in champions league, sign world class players and go on to challenge for titles (if we put up a good challenge for CL we may hold on to some for maybe one more season) or we don't, lose all our best players and have to live with another few years of mid tableness before we ever reash these heights again (if we ever do).



AVB has said himself, he wants to build on what we already have here. Losing our top players is not the way to do that.
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The pivotal point was last season; holding on to the likes of Modric. Complete short termism with a one season goal in mind. The gamble failed. We are now starting the rebuilding process. If a squad with 32 centre backs, 5 players around 35-40, no full back cover, no wing cover, 5 midfielders all eating wages who never play and 1 striker doesn't need an overhaul, then i'm not sure what squad ever will.
 
Armchair Expert said:
The pivotal point was last season; holding on to the likes of Modric. Complete short termism with a one season goal in mind. The gamble failed. We are now starting the rebuilding process. If a squad with 32 centre backs, 5 players around 35-40, no full back cover, no wing cover, 5 midfielders all eating wages who never play and 1 striker doesn't need an overhaul, then i'm not sure what squad ever will.
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Your probably right about Modric and your definitely right about the squad. But in terms of the first 11 we should definitely be strong enough to challenge top 4, its up to AVB to bring in the right squad players and even a few 1st teamers to support that challenge though, which is fair enough.
 
Armchair Expert said:
The pivotal point was last season; holding on to the likes of Modric. Complete short termism with a one season goal in mind. The gamble failed. We are now starting the rebuilding process. If a squad with 32 centre backs, 5 players around 35-40, no full back cover, no wing cover, 5 midfielders all eating wages who never play and 1 striker doesn't need an overhaul, then i'm not sure what squad ever will.
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There is no way, imo, Levy is aiming for less than champs league with the type of players he's been going for.
 
Robspur12 said:
There is no way, imo, Levy is aiming for less than champs league with the type of players he's been going for.
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I never said what Levy may or may not be aiming for. I suspect he's aiming to streamline the squad and also for players who are on a couple of million a season to either play or not be at the club anymore. If we can ship out 5 Krancjar's who never really play, and bring in one Willian who is going to provide competition/cover on the wings then i'm sure he'll be delighted (and probably save a few quid into the bargain).
 
Millsy_Yiddo said:
Your probably right about Modric and your definitely right about the squad. But in terms of the first 11 we should definitely be strong enough to challenge top 4, its up to AVB to bring in the right squad players and even a few 1st teamers to support that challenge though, which is fair enough.
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I disagree (is that allowed?) with the squad needs an overhaul. Imho we need a goalkeeper, a replacement playmaker although Hudd could have played that role and another striker as well as cover. The overhaul happened in 2004 after the pleat debacle we've been slowly building since. This is the most positive squad we've had in years.
 
Robspur12 said:
Why?
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- Vertonghen is a class defender, Dutch League player of the Year, Belgium's starting CB - massive improvement on what we have - good business

- Sigurdsson holds massive potential and has shown the ability to produce goals from the middle - good business

- Ade is a G14/20m striker who should be playing regular CL football - massive transfer coup - good business

- Still looking to strenghten - 7 days left

- Selling dead wood and average squad players for excellent fees - good business
 
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Millsy_Yiddo said:
Of course you can count him, he played all last season and I am sure AVB was in contact with him from the minute he arrived because no doubt Levy was 90% sure he would be s Spurs player again this year. Other than that I agree with all else you've said above.

Obviously AVB is trying to improve the team. All I am saying is, with the players that he currently has, the minimum we should expect is to challenge for a CL spot, even more so if he makes some good signings.

To me, folks are implying that it's ok to finish outsite of the top 4 because AVB is building for the long term. What I am saying is if we don't at least challenge for it all our best players will go to pastures new and the building process must start from scratch again. To me, we are at a pivotal point here, we either push on from this season, finish in champions league, sign world class players and go on to challenge for titles (if we put up a good challenge for CL we may hold on to some for maybe one more season) or we don't, lose all our best players and have to live with another few years of mid tableness before we ever reash these heights again (if we ever do).

AVB has said himself, he wants to build on what we already have here. Losing our top players is not the way to do that.
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Challenge? I agree 100%.

By the end of the season if we aren't challenging for 4-6th I'll be disappointed.
 
Millsy_Yiddo said:
None, what I am saying is if we don't qualify for champions league we will lose them and it will be much more difficult to build *looks for banging head against a wall smiley***
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We can blame Harry for losing Modric then?

I kind of agree that the champs league is the be all and end all but just look at the scum, perennial champs league and losing their best players all the time!! It's about tying people to long term deals and showing progression!
 
ArcspacE said:
- Vertonghen is a class defender, Dutch League player of the Year, Belgian's starting CB - massive improvement on what we have - good business

- Sigurdsson holds massive potential and has shown the ability to produce goals from the middle - good business

- Ade is a G14/20m striker who should be playing regular CL footbal - massive transfer coup - good business

- Still looking to strenghten - 7 days left

- Selling dead wood and average squad players for excellent fees - good business
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You don't cast your pearls before swine......
 
galeforce said:
the 4th/5th/4th argument is kinda straw man, that was with Redknapp backed by the board and trusted by the players, that era was over in march

we had to reboot

in my opinion we were successful in the first 2 full seasons because of Harry, last season we finished 4th despite Harry
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backed by the board? what do you mean?

i kind of get what you are eluding to in the last commet of despite haryy, but dont forget who took us to within a few pionts of top of table and dont forget who brought us back to 4th from 6th after he stopped hooking for the england job
 
as in, faith of the board, everyone happy and getting along, positive working environment, pushing in the same direction

yep he did, when he was focused, when he lost that he became a liability in my opinion
 
I can't believe there are people out there who complain and moan about AVB who is trying to sculpt his own team to the way he plays. It's fudging hilarious. The guy has just begun and getting slated already. Lets have a look at what Redknapp done to our team:

Brought in a new striker, a new attacking midfielder, a new central midfielder, a new centre half, a new right back and a new goalkeeper to a team he inherited yet he didn't get slated did he? All AVB has done is bring in a new centre half (which probably wasn't even him who signed him), brought in a new attacking midfielder (once again, who we were linked with before AVB was even signed) and a new striker (who was here last season anyway)

So how AVB can get slated is beyond me when Redknapp changed our team more.
 
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