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Andre Villas-Boas - Head Coach

The Moonlit Knight said:
I think it's safe to say that many people who wanted AVB to take over (long before the previous Manager was removed) are down playing our chances this season. Which is fine, except many of those are the same people who last year were demanding better from what we achieved. Already we're reading things like "The squad isn't as good as last year", "it's his debut season so he deserves slack", "the actual results next year don't matter as long as we're demonstrating that we have a long term plan in place" etc etc
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Aren't these people's comments about giving AVB time the same way of thinking that you point to in your own posts though?
That a new manager will need time, to make the team his, get his system working. They accept he migth not deliver in his first season at the same level as Redknapp did for past 3 seasons, but that they are willing to accept it as long as he deliver over time!? As they have faith in the man they wanted in charge.
Why aren't they allowed to have the same realistic short term expectation to the new regime, as you claim you have yourself?
Whether one thought Redknapp was the right manager for us or not shouldn't have an impact should it?

If anyone are out of line and putting unrealistic demands towards a manager then it's the pro Redknapp camp,
who are doing their best to put pressure on AVB, demand that he deliver better than Redknapp from the go, and already setting AVB up for failure.
- What's the motive? Be able to brag about being right about Redknapp? Get their man David Moyes in? Certainly not Spurs' best interest at heart.

People who are still pro Redknapp need to push their reset button.
He's history, nothing will change that. Holding the sacking of Redknapp against Villas-Boas won't take us anywhere.
AVB is the man Levy hired to take us forward, but he's not the reason why Levy sacked Redknapp.
 
The Moonlit Knight said:
I think it's safe to say that many people who wanted AVB to take over (long before the previous Manager was removed) are down playing our chances this season. Which is fine, except many of those are the same people who last year were demanding better from what we achieved. Already we're reading things like "The squad isn't as good as last year", "it's his debut season so he deserves slack", "the actual results next year don't matter as long as we're demonstrating that we have a long term plan in place" etc etc
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What were people expecting from the first full season under Redknapp? We still had a pretty good squad at that point, he was allowed to spend 40-45 million in the January window when he signed and then was allowed to bring in Crouch, Bassong and Kranjcar. I honestly don't remember, but I think people were expecting incremental improvement.

Is it not reasonable to have higher demands towards someone in their 3rd or 4th season that should have been able to put their stamp on the team than someone who just signed and are expecting to make quite a few changes both in the squad and in playing styles?
 
rosenthal said:
Aren't these people's comments about giving AVB time the same way of thinking that you point to in your own posts though?
That a new manager will need time, to make the team his, get his system working. They accept he migth not deliver in his first season at the same level as Redknapp did for past 3 seasons, but that they are willing to accept it as long as he deliver over time!? As they have faith in the man they wanted in charge.
Why aren't they allowed to have the same realistic short term expectation to the new regime, as you claim you have yourself?
Whether one thought Redknapp was the right manager for us or not shouldn't have an impact should it?

If anyone are out of line and putting unrealistic demands towards a manager then it's the pro Redknapp camp,
who are doing their best to put pressure on AVB, demand that he deliver better than Redknapp from the go, and already setting AVB up for failure.
- What's the motive? Be able to brag about being right about Redknapp? Get their man David Moyes in? Certainly not Spurs' best interest at heart.

People who are still pro Redknapp need to push their reset button.
He's history, nothing will change that. Holding the sacking of Redknapp against Villas-Boas won't take us anywhere.
AVB is the man Levy hired to take us forward, but he's not the reason why Levy sacked Redknapp.
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Amen!

Excellent post.

Should be the last word on the matter......................but, sadly, Probably won't be.
 
rosenthal said:
Aren't these people's comments about giving AVB time the same way of thinking that you point to in your own posts though?
That a new manager will need time, to make the team his, get his system working. They accept he migth not deliver in his first season at the same level as Redknapp did for past 3 seasons, but that they are willing to accept it as long as he deliver over time!? As they have faith in the man they wanted in charge.
Why aren't they allowed to have the same realistic short term expectation to the new regime, as you claim you have yourself?
Whether one thought Redknapp was the right manager for us or not shouldn't have an impact should it?

If anyone are out of line and putting unrealistic demands towards a manager then it's the pro Redknapp camp,
who are doing their best to put pressure on AVB, demand that he deliver better than Redknapp from the go, and already setting AVB up for failure.
- What's the motive? Be able to brag about being right about Redknapp? Get their man David Moyes in? Certainly not Spurs' best interest at heart.

People who are still pro Redknapp need to push their reset button.
He's history, nothing will change that. Holding the sacking of Redknapp against Villas-Boas won't take us anywhere.
AVB is the man Levy hired to take us forward, but he's not the reason why Levy sacked Redknapp.
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You miss the point that is being made. It's the moving of the goalposts I object too in terms of being fair to one man in charge....but not another. I do believe AVB does require time, and I won't judge him too harshly on this coming season. I'd have had the same belief regardless of the incoming Manager. Others unfortunately would not have.
 
AVB to resurrect Bentleys career?

Bentley told The People: "With the new manager, the new era, the new training ground, hopefully I can be a new player, with a new attitude and a new way of doing things.

"This is a chance for me to get back on the good wave now and, if I can be a part of it, that'd be great.

"I've already spoken to the manager and he just said: 'You've got a clean slate, so do what you can do and try to impress.'"

Bentley accepts that his lack of opportunities at White Hart Lane are largely down to his own mistakes, but claims other factors have also inhibited his progression.

He added: "A lot of people will say I've not made the most of my talent and I feel the same.

"When I moved to Tottenham, I was in Fabio Capello's squad and should have kicked on, but it was a difficult time.

"Within eight games of coming in, the manager who signed me, Juande Ramos, was sacked, and then it just snowballed and got out of control and I never could get that second chance again."

The 27-year-old admits that times have been difficult for him in recent years, but with the arrival of Villas-Boas, is looking to kickstart his career again.

He stated: "I'd had so long riding a wave that was good and then I came off and was riding a wave that was bad, and I could never get myself back on top.

"It has been hard, but hopefully now I can just get back and crack on."
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Does Bentley even fit his team shape?
 
braineclipse said:
What were people expecting from the first full season under Redknapp? We still had a pretty good squad at that point, he was allowed to spend 40-45 million in the January window when he signed and then was allowed to bring in Crouch, Bassong and Kranjcar. I honestly don't remember, but I think people were expecting incremental improvement.

Is it not reasonable to have higher demands towards someone in their 3rd or 4th season that should have been able to put their stamp on the team than someone who just signed and are expecting to make quite a few changes both in the squad and in playing styles?
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Top eight. At least was my expectation of his first full season in charge.
 
rosenthal said:
Aren't these people's comments about giving AVB time the same way of thinking that you point to in your own posts though?
That a new manager will need time, to make the team his, get his system working. They accept he migth not deliver in his first season at the same level as Redknapp did for past 3 seasons, but that they are willing to accept it as long as he deliver over time!? As they have faith in the man they wanted in charge.
Why aren't they allowed to have the same realistic short term expectation to the new regime, as you claim you have yourself?
Whether one thought Redknapp was the right manager for us or not shouldn't have an impact should it?

If anyone are out of line and putting unrealistic demands towards a manager then it's the pro Redknapp camp,
who are doing their best to put pressure on AVB, demand that he deliver better than Redknapp from the go, and already setting AVB up for failure.
- What's the motive? Be able to brag about being right about Redknapp? Get their man David Moyes in? Certainly not Spurs' best interest at heart.

People who are still pro Redknapp need to push their reset button.
He's history, nothing will change that. Holding the sacking of Redknapp against Villas-Boas won't take us anywhere.
AVB is the man Levy hired to take us forward, but he's not the reason why Levy sacked Redknapp.
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I am a pro Redknapp guy and whilst I wont put pressure on AVB I think most of us pro Redknapp campers think that the only way to justify the Harry sacking is by finishing higher than fourth.

Think about it it is like anything. To justify something i.e. a sacking you need to make sure that someone BETTER than the predecessor is brought in.

Also dont forget, there was more chance of Harry helping spurs finish top four again than AVB has. AVB also seems to have more money than Harry had last season

Anyways i guess we should move on and see what happens end of season
 
nayimfromthehalfwayline said:
AVB to resurrect Bentleys career?



Does Bentley even fit his team shape?
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Could be given a chance at CM maybe? Might be given time to impress in training and if he's good enough eh could even play on the wing, although it certainly seems doubtful given the last couple of years.
 
Superted said:
Alright TMK, I'm taking the tinkle out of you a little (and a bit scared), but I don't know if I'm on your list or not, but in such an emotional subject as football, people are going to change their opinion.

Even you've been a tad hyprocritical with your views on Redknapp v views on AVB. I would direct you to the post, but I don't have it noted. But I remember it, and I remember someone pulling you up on it.

Don't take it all so seriously.
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No hypocrisy here mate. If anything it's the other way. Under Redknapp this year I would have expected 5th place, regardless of the transfer dealings. If we had finished 6th I'd have found that acceptable but been a little disappointment. Under a new Manager I expect us to be challenging for 5th but I'll be satisfied if we finish 6th.

This isn't like when Redknapp joined, where he was taking over a struggling side that was punching below its weight. AVB is taking over a team that I personally believe OVER achieved last season (not to mention the two seasons prior to that) and it's very hard to maintain that. I don't think we'd have maintained it under Redknapp let alone a new Manager who will be bringing in new ideas and a fresh approach. I believe under AVB we may have to take a step backwards, to try and go two steps forwards. I've already accepted that fact, and as long as we're trying to play attractive football and he doesn't make a complete pigs ear of it (e.g. falling out with several players etc) then he gets my backing 100% over the coming season.
 
Pandy said:
Let's be honest though expectations have to be very different for AVB than for Redknapp. Redknapp would have been expected to come 4th, he was already used to the club and the players, AVB on the other hand needs to bed in just like any addition. If we are going for a long-term project, which has clearly been Levy's/ENIC's aim arguably since Hoddle, we can expect the first season to involve the foundations being laid. No such thing would have been expected of Harry, therefore he would have been asked to achieve more.

I'm optimistic about AVB's appointment, but I also think we should set lower expectations of him than of Redknapp, but sheerly because this season is going to be one of transition. As long as we don't make significant steps backwards (ie. we are in the hunt for CL football until the very last day) then I would be happy with this season.

This doesn't mean I (or many others) are being over-critical of Redknapp and have a bias towards AVB, I'm just being realistic, in any manager's first season - especially one which is intended as part of a long-term vision - expectations have to be tempered a little bit. It isn't making excuses for him...
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I agree with most of this post, but I think we need to tone it down even further. I am not expecting a Champion's League qualification challenge this season. It may yet happen, but I think realistically 5th or 6th is where we will finish and probably a good few points off of 4th.
 
DHSF said:
I am a pro Redknapp guy and whilst I wont put pressure on AVB I think most of us pro Redknapp campers think that the only way to justify the Harry sacking is by finishing higher than fourth.
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Only if you believe the decision was a pure football/performance based one. No solid evidence either way

DHSF said:
Think about it it is like anything. To justify something i.e. a sacking you need to make sure that someone BETTER than the predecessor is brought in.
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Which is fine. What is not fine is expecting IMMEDIATE success under the new regime though

DHSF said:
Also dont forget, there was more chance of Harry helping spurs finish top four again than AVB has. AVB also seems to have more money than Harry had last season
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There was? Thats opinion mate, not fact. IMO chances are Redknapp wasnt going to get top 4 and chances are AVB wont either. Competition is heating up and regardless of new manager or not there is work to do in the team.

DHSF said:
Anyways i guess we should move on and see what happens end of season
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Absolutely, which also means pro Harry campers cutting AVB some slack...
 
Pandy said:
The Moonlight Knight proving his all-encompassing football wisdom again... I posted that report on here and he claimed it was a fake.
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That's a pity. Your previous post was reasoned. The uncalled for dig in this post has outed true colours it seems. Welcome to my ignore list!
 
DHSF said:
I am a pro Redknapp guy and whilst I wont put pressure on AVB I think most of us pro Redknapp campers think that the only way to justify the Harry sacking is by finishing higher than fourth.

Think about it it is like anything. To justify something i.e. a sacking you need to make sure that someone BETTER than the predecessor is brought in.

Also dont forget, there was more chance of Harry helping spurs finish top four again than AVB has. AVB also seems to have more money than Harry had last season

Anyways i guess we should move on and see what happens end of season
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I was all for Redknapp staying, but I truly hope that not too many people have that attitude. Redknapp is gone, and I'm grateful for his time here. We can't judge AVB on Redknapp's achievements IMO. I think it's clear that Redknapp probably was fired for non-footballing reasons, basically Levy couldn't stand him. I just wish Levy would have the balls to come out and say it publically, rather than hiding behind a flimflam excuse of a new direction.

Under AVB it's a new dawn, and he deserves every chance that we can give him to be a success. I have my reservations about AVB, but I am really hoping to be proved wrong and am looking forward to the season immensely!
 
Pandy said:
Could be given a chance at CM maybe? Might be given time to impress in training and if he's good enough eh could even play on the wing, although it certainly seems doubtful given the last couple of years.
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I cant imagine it working out for him tbh, but do wonder if he might be kept on as a squad unit for the short term.

Despite seemingly happy to spend there is a lot of work to do and finite resource to achieve it.

Thats the same reasoning behind my thinking we might not go for a GK this window. While we need one its not so urgent and outfield positions might take precedence
 
I'm not so sure that Chelsea will gel instantly. There's a huge turnover in players there right now. Drogba, Kalou, Bosingwa gone, Sturridge going. Malouda and Benayoun are finished as top level players IMO. They need more attackers and Di Matteo has a massive task ahead to make it work.
 
The Moonlit Knight said:
I was all for Redknapp staying, but I truly hope that not too many people have that attitude. Redknapp is gone, and I'm grateful for his time here. We can't judge AVB on Redknapp's achievements IMO. I think it's clear that Redknapp probably was fired for non-footballing reasons, basically Levy couldn't stand him. I just wish Levy would have the balls to come out and say it publically, rather than hiding behind a flimflam excuse of a new direction.

Under AVB it's a new dawn, and he deserves every chance that we can give him to be a success. I have my reservations about AVB, but I am really hoping to be proved wrong and am looking forward to the season immensely!
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I dont think its the wrong attitude. Actually I will tell you what is the wrong attitude - some who would be happy with finishing 7th. thats the wrong attitude. From three top five finishes in a row, two of which were fourth, seventh would seem like failure and would be failure - this after spending a fair bit (I am presuming we would be strengthening further)

If we finish seventh kiss goodbye to Bale, Modric, VDV etc.
 
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