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Andre Villas-Boas - Head Coach

If thats not a wind up thats one of the most pathetic things Ive ever seen posted on here

Its a wind up, if he really had that he'd post it up...which he doesnt.

I dont think he does that at all, i think he's just trying to make up realise that he remembers what people say and that he will call people up on the most outrageous comments
 
The above isn't my perception of what is being said. I copy and paste comments I deem to be overly speculative or controversial and keep them in a file and all of the above HAS been stated by various posters on this board.

fudge me dead. That's the most disturbing post I've ever seen in here. Please put me on your ignore list, I'd prefer that people like you don't know that I exist.
 
fudge me dead. That's the most disturbing post I've ever seen in here. Please put me on your ignore list, I'd prefer that people like you don't know that I exist.

Tad over reactive I think. The reason I do it is because the history on the site gets deleted after a certain period of time. It helps weed out the WUM's and more importantly the utter hypocrits. And it's the hypocrits who just aren't worth debating with so I'd rather know that before I even begin to try.
 
Its a wind up, if he really had that he'd post it up...which he doesnt.

I dont think he does that at all, i think he's just trying to make up realise that he remembers what people say and that he will call people up on the most outrageous comments

You disappoint me. I definitely do keep notes. However, I won't post it up because I have no intention of outing specific posters for their contradictory views in such an aggressive fashion. I enjoy debating on this forum with rational people. I don't enjoy debating on this forum with hypocrits, people who change the mind on a regular basis, who seemingly base the vast majority of their opinions on their emotions etc. Along with the ignore feature, it helps me weed out those I have no interest in trying to engage in a debate with.
 
this is true but the way people talk about AVB he should be able to take this talented group of players to dizzying heights

in all honesty i woke up this morning and thought to myself. if we come 6th or 7th then thats a failure on AVBs part..simple. there really is no excuse for AVB to come 7th with this group of players, 6th is absolutely the lowest he should be getting. Jol came 5th with a worse group talent...maybe not in comparison with the rest of the league at that point....and redknapp has two 4th place finished and 5th with a more talented group...this group. for AVB to come here and get 6th or 7th, you have to wonder how much of a perfect scenario he would need just to be able to operate successfully. Like a prince that cant go to sleep without goose feathered pillows or cant take a shower unless its fresh Evian water from the springs.

we have a good team, a talented team....and we should expect good performance and good results...something i kNOW for a fact we would have gotten under Harry

mate, last season we finished touching distance from 3rd but also only just ahead of 4th and 5th (points wise) - so what happens next season if we finish 1 point behind 4th or 5th is that still a failure ? i think it's stupid to put so much emphasis on a managers first seasons final position - id of thought you of all people would have understood that a league position is dependent on many different factors and progress can still be shown regardless (to an extent)

too many people are try to set the new manager up for failure before he begins his task - i highlighted on the last page several examples of why our first team and squad is currently weaker than it was 6 months a go, let's wait and see what it looks like come the end of pre season before making any bold predictions on what we expect

i reckon Villa Boas will be classed a success here by the time his initial contract ends
i reckon by the end of the transfer window we will have a stronger squad (on paper at least) than we did 6 months a go
i reckon we have a good chance of top 4 this season but will not judge him primarily on whether we achieve it or not, much the same as Redknapps time here there are more important factors than where we finish in the league
 
mate, last season we finished touching distance from 3rd but also only just ahead of 4th and 5th (points wise) - so what happens next season if we finish 1 point behind 4th or 5th is that still a failure ? i think it's stupid to put so much emphasis on a managers first seasons final position - id of thought you of all people would have understood that a league position is dependent on many different factors and progress can still be shown regardless (to an extent)

I agree completely.

Have to look a bit past just the results and final table.
 
mate, last season we finished touching distance from 3rd but also only just ahead of 4th and 5th (points wise) - so what happens next season if we finish 1 point behind 4th or 5th is that still a failure ? i think it's stupid to put so much emphasis on a managers first seasons final position - id of thought you of all people would have understood that a league position is dependent on many different factors and progress can still be shown regardless (to an extent)

too many people are try to set the new manager up for failure before he begins his task - i highlighted on the last page several examples of why our first team and squad is currently weaker than it was 6 months a go, let's wait and see what it looks like come the end of pre season before making any bold predictions on what we expect

i reckon Villa Boas will be classed a success here by the time his initial contract ends
i reckon by the end of the transfer window we will have a stronger squad (on paper at least) than we did 6 months a go
i reckon we have a good chance of top 4 this season but will not judge him primarily on whether we achieve it or not, much the same as Redknapps time here there are more important factors than where we finish in the league

More or less those are my thoughts as well.
 
You disappoint me. I definitely do keep notes. However, I won't post it up because I have no intention of outing specific posters for their contradictory views in such an aggressive fashion. I enjoy debating on this forum with rational people. I don't enjoy debating on this forum with hypocrits, people who change the mind on a regular basis, who seemingly base the vast majority of their opinions on their emotions etc. Along with the ignore feature, it helps me weed out those I have no interest in trying to engage in a debate with.

wouldnt be the first

incidentally i get the reason why you would do this, i just dont believe that you have actually dont it the way that you say you have. cause as long as i have known you , you have always come true when you want to go for the jugular . If you had such a powerful tool as to have someone's posts that directly contradicts something they so viciously argue for it would be a good idea to either PM it to the person or just post it up

on MANY topics people dont even know they contradict themselves. idea and opinions being fluid and constantly evolving and adapting, you wil get these kind of people / things occur. In some cases you could actually help said posters and educate them on how they easily let go of something they think they believe in

you say people change their minds on the regular basis? its a sweeping statement.....it is true, but its sweeping none the less. And there have been times when you have made those comments and they have either been mistakes or they have been false

also one last thing, its always good to assess ones self but have you ever thought of turning your entire post that i have just quoted, PLUS the post where you say you copy and paste people's wavering opinions, BACK on yourself? see how you too may fall victim to the crimes you throw on our doorsteps? no to mention the whole thing about debating and arguing on emotions etc...you'd be surprised how many people might see that in you too
 
I agree completely.

Have to look a bit past just the results and final table.

yeah, just by reading this i would assume, probably incorrectly, that you wanted harry out?

there is no reason why i should be happy with someone that doesnt get the best out of the resources that he has when others would. unless i knew it was going somewhere in particular

i take it that you looked beyond the poor run (lasted just a shade over 2 months) and saw harry for what he was?
 
yeah, just by reading this i would assume, probably incorrectly, that you wanted harry out?

there is no reason why i should be happy with someone that doesnt get the best out of the resources that he has when others would. unless i knew it was going somewhere in particular

i take it that you looked beyond the poor run (lasted just a shade over 2 months) and saw harry for what he was?

there were very few people (from my recollection) that wanted Harry out purely for not finishing 3rd - so why should we be judging Villa Boas purely on his league position in his first season - do you not see how short sighted that is ? he was given a 3 year contract, judge him on those 3 years

starting to sound like Chelsea fans some of you
 
mate, last season we finished touching distance from 3rd but also only just ahead of 4th and 5th (points wise) - so what happens next season if we finish 1 point behind 4th or 5th is that still a failure ? i think it's stupid to put so much emphasis on a managers first seasons final position - id of thought you of all people would have understood that a league position is dependent on many different factors and progress can still be shown regardless (to an extent)

too many people are try to set the new manager up for failure before he begins his task - i highlighted on the last page several examples of why our first team and squad is currently weaker than it was 6 months a go, let's wait and see what it looks like come the end of pre season before making any bold predictions on what we expect

i reckon Villa Boas will be classed a success here by the time his initial contract ends
i reckon by the end of the transfer window we will have a stronger squad (on paper at least) than we did 6 months a go
i reckon we have a good chance of top 4 this season but will not judge him primarily on whether we achieve it or not, much the same as Redknapps time here there are more important factors than where we finish in the league

forget 4th, if he does that then he;s matched harry...thats not even what i'm talking about. i rate 4th, others dont otherwise they wouldnt use losing third as a reason to get rid of harry

yes i understand that many factors go into a managers finishing position. yet that never stopped the good managers making the players get to the level that they should have been getting.

the whole argument for Harry was that he reached a celing (something i agree with but i never really know what ceiling it was cause he didnt get financial backing) ,
further more people BLAME harry for not finishing 3rd...
Also people felt that Harry should leave cause he didnt get the most out of THIS current squad of players

for someone new to come in and be excused of ALL the above when harry was not i think is cold blooded murder. it just is not fair. People say that Harry got to where he was because of the squad he had and because he had good man management skills. Why should we let the new guy off the hook in his first full season when Harry wasnt even praised for his initial work or his first full season?

of we finish one point behind 5th? no problem....if we are clearly not in the top four mix and hovering in and out of the next tier..i.e 8th to 6th (or even 5th depending on the spread) then someone needs to answer for that, especially seeing as Harry needed to answer for alot the year we finished 5th!!! We finished FIFTH and people were still dumping on harry redknapp. yet some new unproven guy comes in and those same people wont give him the same courtesy or judge him on the same bar?

sounds like a lynching to me. you know the thing people do when they dont have anything tangible or enough to go on in court but demand execution anyway.

if we finish 7th? AVB has fudged up i think...if we finished 6th and there is a clear seperation in quality, results and performances between us and the top 5? he has fudged up. our squad with alittle bit of tinkering was good enough for 4th and MINIMUM was good enough to challenge for 4th year on year. If we suddenly drop to the lower tier where it looks like we dont have a shot at 4th? pre-jol days..., AVB has fudged up.

Normally i would be like "give this guy time"....but looking back on the treatment harry got from certain corners i wont let this guy slide with a blanket statement..."oh he is new, and so many different things can happen to affect things".......no one gave that to Harry did they? and he finished 4th and STILL got it in the neck.
 
yeah, just by reading this i would assume, probably incorrectly, that you wanted harry out?

there is no reason why i should be happy with someone that doesnt get the best out of the resources that he has when others would. unless i knew it was going somewhere in particular

i take it that you looked beyond the poor run (lasted just a shade over 2 months) and saw harry for what he was?

I was very ambiguous about Harry staying or leaving. Could see good arguments for both, in the end when he went I found myself happy about it although I would probably have been happy had he signed a new contract as well as at that point I just wanted it resolved.

Not talking about being happy with not getting the best out of the resources we have, but if we see improvements in play and style over the season and the team keeps improving that will be important as well as the final table position we find ourselves in. I think we might struggle a bit at first with several new players and a newish style of play. I can accept that and thus accept that the results might vary for a while if I see us moving forward.

Looking past result doesn't mean ignoring poor runs in my opinion. There were other negatives about Harry that were beyond the results, like playing Modric on the right... The lack of shape and cohesion from just one first team player (Lennon) missing etc.
 
there were very few people (from my recollection) that wanted Harry out purely for not finishing 3rd - so why should we be judging Villa Boas purely on his league position in his first season - do you not see how short sighted that is ? he was given a 3 year contract, judge him on those 3 years

starting to sound like Chelsea fans some of you


that is rich, funny and massively ironic considering people werent happy with 4th and primarily moaned because we lost third. you say its few? think about it........Harry's personal character aside (i can understand why people would want him gone cause of that) what other TANGIBLE reason is there to want him gone. what can you actually point to and prove that he did wrong that people wanted him gone?
i WISH we didnt lose that thread during the site crash ...............grrrrrrr

face it people were tinkled that harry lost third after he himself got us there..with nearly the same sqaud as the next guy has which apparently wont even matter if he gets 6th or not, let alone 4th. that just sounds like biased opinions to me

did you judge harry on his three years? what was your conclusion?

infact, why did you want harry gone?
 
African - you sound like you are worrying far too much about what Redknapp done in his time here and are letting your emotions over the sacking dictate how you rate the new guy. It's not Villa Boas' fault that Redknapp was sacked, what if he had walked for England ? would you still be putting all this pressure on his replacement to immediately replicate what he achieved, in his first season ?


i agree with most of the targets you set him btw, i just don't have this aggressive "OR ELSE" attitude that a lot of people seem to have
 
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