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Andre Villas-Boas - Head Coach

all AVB detractors should watch this video of AVB. he has great communication skills, very good command of english, and comes across as a really nice chap to have a football discussion with.

pretty sure the public got taken in by Clinton as well. Good thing monica had her own scam going on otherwise she would have been laughed off.

You dont think camera persona might be a masking over what someone is capable of?

infact , you'd probably argue that people put their best foot forward when there is a possibility of a camera being around.
 
He has a weird cult following.


Anyway i'm far more positive with the Sigurddson signing and levy's statement about young players.
 
[video=youtube;jBdSFg78t24]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBdSFg78t24&feature=related[/video]

:lol:
 
I watched all of that, obviously have an interest now but thought he was interesting and very humble as you say. does he think he's special though as he says he is not the next one, we need a winner and I hope deep down he thinks he is the man.
 
When do the players return for pre-season?

Presume they're be an extended break for any international involved in Euros and Olympics too.
 
People prefer to believe what they read when it comes to AVB even if they saw otherwise. It's a weird thing and i've said it again and again but it's like they don't want to believe what they saw.

I just hope these people are right about him. I can understand the excitement towards a new Manager but I do think the pressure on him to deliver from the fans (based on what is being written on this forum) is already unrealistically high.

He isn't taking over a failing club where the only way is up. He is taking over a settled squad and team that has already been performing to a very high standard and yet apparently:

- He is going to revamp the entire culture at the club
- He is going to get rid of the older players, play youth and have the team performing better than they have been the last three seasons
- He is going to have us playing tactically superior, attractive football whilst being totally solid at the back
- He is apparently an excellent coach (despite never having played even at a semi-pro level, and only reaching the position of "assistant" coach at Chelsea!) and is going to improve players like Bale.
- At Chelsea the only reason he didn't succeed was because he wasn't backed by the Board and because of the nasty Chelsea player clique. Apparently it seems no Manager could have performed under those circumstances and been successful......ever.
- People are looking forward to having him in the media spotlight after the last Manager because his PR is superb and he is a very nice guy who doesn't kitten himself out
- He will be our Manager for years to come so can build for the future whilst improving us in the present (this is despite the fact that he has shown zero loyalty to any club prior to us, and whether our own like to admit at once has only been under pressure once in his short managerial career and floundered massively).

The above isn't my perception of what is being said. I copy and paste comments I deem to be overly speculative or controversial and keep them in a file and all of the above HAS been stated by various posters on this board.

I hope they're right, I really do. But it's funny how not one single AVB follower will stick their colours to the mast and say next season will be an improvement on last year. Normally they come back with it doesn't matter what the results are as under AVB we're building for the future......
 
yet thats exactly what he did at chelsea i thought?

A style unsuited to the players, not unsuited to the league.

KD, talking of people believing what they want to believe, I've read about AVB, how his previous players seemed to adore him, in two different clubs as the manager, I've seen videos of him looking like a totally amiable, humble person who doesn't want to take too much credit for his achievements. There's plenty of people pre-Chelsea that says he is a nice guy, nice to talk to, interesting etc etc.

But because of his Chelsea time, people can believe that he's arrogant/can't get on with players/doesn't know his tactics/he's a Clinton/Blair-type showman for the cameras when it doesn't seem like that all. If you want to only believe an opinion formed by only his Chelsea time, then you'll come to that sort of conclusion. If you want to look at his entire career so far, you'd form another.
 
Let's face it - everyone who is unsure of AVB bases their judgement on his failures at CFC. Me too by the way but we've gotta try and see past it.
 
okay, i'm confused. what style unsuited to this league were you refering to in the first place?

Because it's been said on here that the English league is a lot more direct, counter attacking, getting the ball forward quickly, which means that the high line won't work in the league. As if AVB is going to persist with a tactic that absolutely cannot work because he doesn't understand the English game and how to exploit it.

I'm saying that what he did at Chelsea wasn't the wrong style for the league, it was the wrong style for the players. A high pressing game can work in this league - Swansea do it - and if the right players are in place it definitely can work. The squad wasn't suited to that style at Chelsea but it doesn't mean one that is more suited wouldn't be.

That would then bring in other arguments about whether he should have persisted with the style, by which point I will retort that he did change it up, he played slightly deeper and dropped his idea of having all 3 midfielders rotate because he saw that the English game was too direct and it wouldn't work. But by that point it seemed like the whole situation to such an extent that the players were lost, and that was that. I don't think it was to do with the fact that the style wasn't suited to the league, or that he showed a lack of understanding of the English game.
 
I just hope these people are right about him. I can understand the excitement towards a new Manager but I do think the pressure on him to deliver from the fans (based on what is being written on this forum) is already unrealistically high.

He isn't taking over a failing club where the only way is up. He is taking over a settled squad and team that has already been performing to a very high standard and yet apparently:

- He is going to revamp the entire culture at the club
- He is going to get rid of the older players, play youth and have the team performing better than they have been the last three seasons
- He is going to have us playing tactically superior, attractive football whilst being totally solid at the back
- He is apparently an excellent coach (despite never having played even at a semi-pro level, and only reaching the position of "assistant" coach at Chelsea!) and is going to improve players like Bale.
- At Chelsea the only reason he didn't succeed was because he wasn't backed by the Board and because of the nasty Chelsea player clique. Apparently it seems no Manager could have performed under those circumstances and been successful......ever.
- People are looking forward to having him in the media spotlight after the last Manager because his PR is superb and he is a very nice guy who doesn't kitten himself out
- He will be our Manager for years to come so can build for the future whilst improving us in the present (this is despite the fact that he has shown zero loyalty to any club prior to us, and whether our own like to admit at once has only been under pressure once in his short managerial career and floundered massively).

The above isn't my perception of what is being said. I copy and paste comments I deem to be overly speculative or controversial and keep them in a file and all of the above HAS been stated by various posters on this board.

I hope they're right, I really do. But it's funny how not one single AVB follower will stick their colours to the mast and say next season will be an improvement on last year. Normally they come back with it doesn't matter what the results are as under AVB we're building for the future......

Why would he not revamp the culture? He's a completely different type of manager to Harry. In terms of preparation, in terms of having a set plan or style of play that runs from the youth teams to the first team, with the help of Sherwood implementing it and them working together it's hardly unattainable. What else do you mean by culture?

He probably will play more younger players. Levy has suggested in his statement that this is the plan. Again, not a totally ridiculous aim.

Coaches can be good if they weren't players. He's highly rated in the game. He is a coach in the sense that Harry is a manager. I don't really care if he only rose to assistant coach at Chelsea, he rose to be Head Coach at Spurs. He has impressed our chairman with his ideas, and our chairman probably knows a fair bit about football now to know whether someone knows what they are talking about or not. There can be mistakes, and I imagine he went for Ramos, seeing from the outside that he would be a good coach, and Ramos accepted. I think this time, he's gone for AVB sure, but AVB has also had to sell himself, even more so because of what happened at Chelsea.

The Chelsea thing...it doesn't have to be for a notion that players are 'evil' or that AVB is a brick coach, or that no other coach could have done well with the squad. The fit has to be right. If not, the results won't come. It doesn't mean that AVB isn't objectively a good coach or that if he finds the right fit he won't be successful. Why did Rodgers fail at Reading? Pardew at nearly everywhere before Saudi Sportswashing Machine? They were talented, they just need the right fit. I'm sure AVB could have done different things at Chelsea, but so could the players, and so should have Roman. But if everyone acted differently, they wouldn't be being who they are. It's important to be yourself in any situation, to know your strengths and know your value. If something isn't a good fit, find somewhere that is. There's a lot of reason to think he's found that with us.

Totally reasonable for people to look forward to having a manager that doesn't seek the spotlight like Harry does. Nothing wrong with that.

AVB wants the right 'project' that means he can leave something behind. He says as much in the interview Nayim posted. He only wants a 15 year coaching career and then wants to spend time with his family. But he wants something he can be proud of. I absolutely believe that if he is on the cusp of winning the league with us, or even taking us even closer than Harry did, he will see it through. There's always the chance Real or Barca could come calling, but that's the case with any manager. As I keep saying, not a reason to not hire somebody.

I'll nail my colours to the mast and say we will absolutely be among the clubs challenging for the top 4 again. Since you want someone to do it, I will. I will say that we will definitely not be below 6th, and that he won't be a failure. Can't predict anything more than that, because as you know there are a lot of other good clubs in the league that we will do well to challenge again. But I believe we will be well in the conversation for 3rd or 4th. :)
 
The above isn't my perception of what is being said. I copy and paste comments I deem to be overly speculative or controversial and keep them in a file and all of the above HAS been stated by various posters on this board.

and herein lays your problem - you focus on the OTT comments or the extremes of each opinion made by various different posters and usually go on to attribute them to anyone who argues against your take on things, building a fictional character of a poster who you base all your arguments against
 
Let's face it - everyone who is unsure of AVB bases their judgement on his failures at CFC. Me too by the way but we've gotta try and see past it.

I'll go one step further than this and say that it didn't matter what he did at Chelsea, or the fact it didn't pan out. And it didn't matter what he did at Porto either. All that truly matters is what he does with us.
 
Let's face it - everyone who is unsure of AVB bases their judgement on his failures at CFC. Me too by the way but we've gotta try and see past it.

Whilst I have not even thought about what he has done and how he has performed in the past IF someone is going to take his Porto days into account they have also got to take into account the Chelscum days. You cant just pick and choose which bits out of his career you want to take into account.

The guy is so new in Management to me it feels like we have just plucked someone out of his playing career and is new into Management.
 
I hope they're right, I really do. But it's funny how not one single AVB follower will stick their colours to the mast and say next season will be an improvement on last year. Normally they come back with it doesn't matter what the results are as under AVB we're building for the future......

What is improvement?

Is it placing higher in the league?
Winning something?
Playing better football (if so, who decides what is good football?)?

I think many of your opponents in this debate will have different answers.

I don't think we will improve our place in the league for next season. But I am confident we will match it. I do not fear Liverpool, Saudi Sportswashing Machine or Chelsea. Arsenal will be there anyway, but I am confident we'll finish in the top 4.

Harry did great service to Tottenham, there is no denying that. But the way he handled the off-pitch media circus after Capello left ruined everything he did with the team for me. He went from being a man I could enjoy to a man I could not stand. His interviews from the car I could smile and laugh about before, but after I learnt that he really just wanted to screw us over and go for the England job everything was tainted, it made me sad, frustrated and above all else, it made me ashamed to have him as manager for the club I love.

As for your request for sticking colors to the mast, why would anyone do that? Noone can predict a season of 38 games anyway.

You seem disappointed to me, disappointed Harry was sacked, and I can understand that, but I can't agree for the reason above; he killed his own character as I experienced it as a fan.

What I don't understand is why AVB and HR need to be compared to the extent that is done here. It is not AVB the villain who sacked HR, that was the board. And they did so because he betrayed the club by selling himself to the FA, and then came back demanding more. If we finish this season fifth it won't prove that the club made the wrong decision, it will prove we need find a way to finish higher the following season.

Again; sacking HR had nothing to do with results. It couldn't have had, that would be madness. And that is also why it was right; it was done because the club couldn't go on with him after what he did.

If someone is to stick colors to the mast why would it have to be after AVBs first season when you want to compare it to HR's last? The board won't compare them like that because they didn't sack HR over where the team finished, so why should we?
 
Improvement has to be 4th with champions league or 3rd. Improvement on 4th with no champions league without question.
 
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