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*** OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Leicester City ***

A Leicester fan who was at the game yesterday phoned into 606 last night. He said that Leicester didn’t win the game, Spurs lost it. Said that he couldn’t believe our shape and the huge gaps we allowed Leicester players to operate in.
Could say the same about the away game there start of the season. Leicester didn't get a point, we gifted them one after dominating the ball then decided to afford Vardy of all people the freedom of our penalty area unmarked: "go on son, pick yer spot...."

It happens time and again where opposition just pop up unmarked at the back stick, or we end up defending an overload, or a simple ball over the top or through the middle puts them in....
 
Watching games like that actually makes me sad, for some reason. It's just the same mistakes, over and over again and the same arguments. To be fair, I want him gone since that's first half at Everton - that was a sackable offence as far as I'm concerned. I still wanted him gone when we were 1-0 up and people who still believe in him at this stage won't change their minds. I think it's called escalation of engagement.

I wish they'd get the chance to rub my nose in it but, at the same time, is there really anyone out there who believes he can turn it around? With a full squad, he might get better results (and that's not even certain) and limp on to the end of the season but he's done nothing to deserve he deserves a third chance.

More importantly, I hope we don't get sucked into a relegation battle because these players don't look like they have what it takes to dig themselves out of that kind of holes...
 
I just watched the goals back for the first time. That second goal...fudge me. Anyone tells me that's not system related needs their head read. The time and space the Leicester lad had was comical. I knew it was bad at the time but watching it back...wow.
 
I just watched the goals back for the first time. That second goal...fudge me. Anyone tells me that's not system related needs their head read. The time and space the Leicester lad had was comical. I knew it was bad at the time but watching it back...wow.
Is there a system around where a misplaced/mistimed pass to the deepest midfielder who because of that goes on to lose the ball doesn't end up with the team being in massive problems?
 
Thought the first half was decent under the circumstances, managed the game quite well. But too many turnovers.

Then we got punished for individual errors early on in the first half. Poor, frustrating, probably down to fatigue in part.

Tried after that, can't fault the effort (again). Created some chances too, but desperately needed one of those chances to go in. Some sloppy decisions, but that's to be expected.

Really frustrating game.
One of the things that Ange has failed to address is the positioning of the double pivot in midfield. Sarr doesn't hold his defensive position or he ambles back into a defensive position, after he joins the press, leaving his partner exposed and trying to cover both. It happened again yesterday. Unfortunately Bentancur had a tendency to overcommit and consequently left us with no midfield cover behind him. Our defence defend in a line as they are supposed to, leaving opposition players in yards of space in front of them to fashion a good chance. This was pointed out weeks ago but is still happening and one of the reasons we are too open. Ange did address this in the Carabao cup game vs Liverpool. But hadn't done so in the league.
 
This is the thing, after the first 10 games when every seem petrified of us, teams realisied that if they pressed there was a high chance we'd turnever the ball trying to play out of areas we shouldn't. This coupled with them using the diagonal long ball over where the full back has inverted has decimated his tactical system.

The reason I was prepared to give him time is that they are two easy fixes, (play you FB's orthodox and simplify the build up from the back). The fact they went ignored for so long is criminal. We routniely concede the same goal and high value chances...unmarked player at the far post, the give away in a stupid area, the counter attack.
This. A massive flaw with Ange is either his failure to adapt or if he does it's not quickly enough.
 
Is there a system around where a misplaced/mistimed pass to the deepest midfielder who because of that goes on to lose the ball doesn't end up with the team being in massive problems?
A system has to be able to cover mistakes as much as possible. For a lad to have that much space to run into is outrageous.
 
One of the things that Ange has failed to address is the positioning of the double pivot in midfield. Sarr doesn't hold his defensive position or he ambles back into a defensive position, after he joins the press, leaving his partner exposed and trying to cover both. It happened again yesterday. Unfortunately Bentancur had a tendency to overcommit and consequently left us with no midfield cover behind him. Our defence defend in a line as they are supposed to, leaving opposition players in yards of space in front of them to fashion a good chance. This was pointed out weeks ago but is still happening and one of the reasons we are too open. Ange did address this in the Carabao cup game vs Liverpool. But hadn't done so in the league.
I think that's mostly injuries/fatigue. Sarr is usually excellent at those covering jobs, but recently hasn't been.
 
A system has to be able to cover mistakes as much as possible. For a lad to have that much space to run into is outrageous.
That's essentially why you need your 6/DM to only very rarely lose possession. Almost to the same extent as centre backs.

The only way to cover for that would be to have three players centrally behind the deepest midfielder on the ball. 3 players to "cover" one opposite striker and then deal with anyone dispossessing the 6/DM when that happens. That's not going to happen.
 
I think that's mostly injuries/fatigue. Sarr is usually excellent at those covering jobs, but recently hasn't been.
The same issue was pointed out weeks ago though, I think in the 6-3 loss to Liverpool. Then it was Biss rather than Bentancur partnering Sarr. I don't think it's just fatigue, it's tactical to have Sarr join the press but no one cover across his position. But then he leaves a hole behind. And, we've seen full backs do the same too. This is part of the reason we concede goals.

It's things like this which lead me to believe that a half way competent new guy could, with a few tweaks, turn more results in our favour even with the injury list.
 
The same issue was pointed out weeks ago though, I think in the 6-3 loss to Liverpool. Then it was Biss rather than Bentancur partnering Sarr. I don't think it's just fatigue, it's tactical to have Sarr join the press but no one cover across his position. But then he leaves a hole behind. And, we've seen full backs do the same too. This is part of the reason we concede goals.

It's things like this which lead me to believe that a half way competent new guy could, with a few tweaks, turn more results in our favour even with the injury list.
The famous press with 5 players, get done by one pass then have the opposition wwitth 40 yards of space to attack the back 4, while complaining the remaining single midfielder isn't good enough to read danger. You'd have to be Doc Oc to dela with that set up.
 
That's essentially why you need your 6/DM to only very rarely lose possession. Almost to the same extent as centre backs.

The only way to cover for that would be to have three players centrally behind the deepest midfielder on the ball. 3 players to "cover" one opposite striker and then deal with anyone dispossessing the 6/DM when that happens. That's not going to happen.
This is our starting position. Look how high Bergvall is. Where is Sarr?

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By the time their lad gets its Sarr and Bergvall appear, running at full pelt and can't get near him. Potentially Davies could have pushed out but he then leaves Dragusin 1v1 so I can sort of understand his reluctance. Shambolic. You wouldn't see it at under 12.

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By the time their lad gets its Sarr and Bergvall appear, running at full pelt and can't get near him
Which in turn leads to more fatigue. Why not instead have one then sit and hold their position in front of the defenders. Especially in a side riddled with injury and fatigue. Btw I think you were trying to explain the same thing as me just much more effectively!

Second picture shows that despite us having the ball an overload is already building which means if we lose the ball we will potentially be in trouble. Which is what happens. Whereas Leicester appear to be in a much more stable defensive position.
 
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This is our starting position. Look how high Bergvall is. Where is Sarr?

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By the time their lad gets its Sarr and Bergvall appear, running at full pelt and can't get near him. Potentially Davies could have pushed out but he then leaves Dragusin 1v1 so I can sort of understand his reluctance. Shambolic. You wouldn't see it at under 12.

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The amount of space in the midfield area in that first picture and nobody in there looking for the ball is criminal.
 
The amount of space in the midfield area in that first picture and nobody in there looking for the ball is criminal.

I will sound like a broken record but our CM is one of the worst i have seen for a long time. Its so open and we sadly lack a player who can see danger before it happens. None of our players have that ability and its the MAIN reason we concede so many goals and lose games.
 
I will sound like a broken record but our CM is one of the worst i have seen for a long time. Its so open and we sadly lack a player who can see danger before it happens. None of our players have that ability and its the MAIN reason we concede so many goals and lose games.
That's not even about seeing danger, it's a player being aware of where the space is and wanting to get on the ball, whether a DM or ACM. Should be even more on an ACM to want to get into those types of spaces and get on the ball there.
 
A Leicester fan who was at the game yesterday phoned into 606 last night. He said that Leicester didn’t win the game, Spurs lost it. Said that he couldn’t believe our shape and the huge gaps we allowed Leicester players to operate in.

Sounds much like what Vardy said in his post-match interview, Steptoe must’ve been licking his lips all week at the prospect of all that space in the box for him to ghost into for a tap in.

Everyone knows how brittle our team is currently and if they can avoid doing a Southampton in first half then they just need to get a foothold and we’ll likely crumble.
 
That's not even about seeing danger, it's a player being aware of where the space is and wanting to get on the ball, whether a DM or ACM. Should be even more on an ACM to want to get into those types of spaces and get on the ball there.

A proper/good DM will see danger before its there and because of that will organise the rest of the CM players better, we see our CM players all over the place at times and there is no balance. A proper DM will tell his other M/F players to react much quicker and better. IMO
 
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