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Welcome Ange: To Dare is to Didgeridoo

billyiddo said:
We love a Chelsea cast off.

He had a good reputation after his spell at Porto and I guess the feeling was Chelsea were a bit of a basket case and had made a mistake letting him go.
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I've never stopped scratching my head about AVB. Even after us, he did well at Zenit. He got the most league points at the time, before Poch came along and he had Bale playing his best football for Spurs. Then we bought the famous 7 with the Bale money and it all went pear shaped.

What I always thought was that Sherwood should have gone when Redknapp did. I always felt that AVB was part of Sherwood's personal agenda to rule the world which obviously came crashing down in the end. That agenda also included stealing all the credit for the amazing work that Inglethorpe and Ramsey had done for many years rebuilding our academy. Sherwood had the ear of the chairman and his knives into AVB and left a trail of destruction. More fool Levy for not knowing better as well. Swindon had to learn the hard way as well.

I still have no clue whether AVB could have been a decent choice given a better set of circumstances and without the toxic Sherwood around the place.
 
Muttley said:
I've never stopped scratching my head about AVB. Even after us, he did well at Zenit. He got the most league points at the time, before Poch came along and he had Bale playing his best football for Spurs. Then we bought the famous 7 with the Bale money and it all went pear shaped.

What I always thought was that Sherwood should have gone when Redknapp did. I always felt that AVB was part of Sherwood's personal agenda to rule the world which obviously came crashing down in the end. That agenda also included stealing all the credit for the amazing work that Inglethorpe and Ramsey had done for many years rebuilding our academy. Sherwood had the ear of the chairman and his knives into AVB and left a trail of destruction. More fool Levy for not knowing better as well. Swindon had to learn the hard way as well.

I still have no clue whether AVB could have been a decent choice given a better set of circumstances and without the toxic Sherwood around the place.
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Quite. AVB was and perhaps should have been a great fit. After Jol and Redknapp had pulled us out of the doldrums and made the Big 4 into a Big 6, he could have been the young modern manager who could have grown with us and taken us to glory. Instead, it all went wrong and we ended up (eventually) with another manager, Poch, of a fairly similar profile IMHO. Who worked. Apart from the glory bit, of course, but he got us so damn close.

But, much like buying players, appointing managers is a roll of the dice.
 
Muttley said:
I've never stopped scratching my head about AVB. Even after us, he did well at Zenit. He got the most league points at the time, before Poch came along and he had Bale playing his best football for Spurs. Then we bought the famous 7 with the Bale money and it all went pear shaped.

What I always thought was that Sherwood should have gone when Redknapp did. I always felt that AVB was part of Sherwood's personal agenda to rule the world which obviously came crashing down in the end. That agenda also included stealing all the credit for the amazing work that Inglethorpe and Ramsey had done for many years rebuilding our academy. Sherwood had the ear of the chairman and his knives into AVB and left a trail of destruction. More fool Levy for not knowing better as well. Swindon had to learn the hard way as well.

I still have no clue whether AVB could have been a decent choice given a better set of circumstances and without the toxic Sherwood around the place.
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I think we have a habit of keeping people around in the background for too long.
 
It's equally ironic, the talk of AVB - when we play Emirates Marketing Project this Saturday, it will almost be 11 years to the day we got that 6-0 pasting that ultimately spelt the death-knell of his tenure.

There were similar vibes about the sate of the team going into that match: "we are only x points from top 3/4", "we have been unlucky in this or that game", "we are still in all the cups" etc

I am REALLY fearing the game on Saturday...
 
glorygloryeze said:
It's equally ironic, the talk of AVB - when we play Emirates Marketing Project this Saturday, it will almost be 11 years to the day we got that 6-0 pasting that ultimately spelt the death-knell of his tenure.

There were similar vibes about the sate of the team going into that match: "we are only x points from top 3/4", "we have been unlucky in this or that game", "we are still in all the cups" etc

I am REALLY fearing the game on Saturday...
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I hope not.
I like ange and I like what he is trying to do.
Nobody is coming into Tottenham and solving our issues in 18 months, sack ange and start again is only going to make it harder.
 
Muttley said:
I've never stopped scratching my head about AVB. Even after us, he did well at Zenit. He got the most league points at the time, before Poch came along and he had Bale playing his best football for Spurs. Then we bought the famous 7 with the Bale money and it all went pear shaped.

What I always thought was that Sherwood should have gone when Redknapp did. I always felt that AVB was part of Sherwood's personal agenda to rule the world which obviously came crashing down in the end. That agenda also included stealing all the credit for the amazing work that Inglethorpe and Ramsey had done for many years rebuilding our academy. Sherwood had the ear of the chairman and his knives into AVB and left a trail of destruction. More fool Levy for not knowing better as well. Swindon had to learn the hard way as well.

I still have no clue whether AVB could have been a decent choice given a better set of circumstances and without the toxic Sherwood around the place.
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The players Loved working with AVB
He had a plan for them that was meticulous
 
Muttley said:
I've never stopped scratching my head about AVB. Even after us, he did well at Zenit. He got the most league points at the time, before Poch came along and he had Bale playing his best football for Spurs. Then we bought the famous 7 with the Bale money and it all went pear shaped.

What I always thought was that Sherwood should have gone when Redknapp did. I always felt that AVB was part of Sherwood's personal agenda to rule the world which obviously came crashing down in the end. That agenda also included stealing all the credit for the amazing work that Inglethorpe and Ramsey had done for many years rebuilding our academy. Sherwood had the ear of the chairman and his knives into AVB and left a trail of destruction. More fool Levy for not knowing better as well. Swindon had to learn the hard way as well.

I still have no clue whether AVB could have been a decent choice given a better set of circumstances and without the toxic Sherwood around the place.
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Like Jose and Conte, if you play rubbish football then people will only tolerate it if you win. If you play dire football and the results are crap then it’s only going to end in tears. He also didn’t help himself sticking to that high line even when he didn’t have the personnel to play it (see the 5-0 drubbing at home to Liverpool with Dawson playing CB using said high line). He was a likeable guy but the results and performances weren’t good enough ultimately.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Like Jose and Conte, if you play rubbish football then people will only tolerate it if you win. If you play dire football and the results are crap then it’s only going to end in tears. He also didn’t help himself sticking to that high line even when he didn’t have the personnel to play it (see the 5-0 drubbing at home to Liverpool with Dawson playing CB using said high line). He was a likeable guy but the results and performances weren’t good enough ultimately.
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Sound familiar??
 
glorygloryeze said:
It's equally ironic, the talk of AVB - when we play Emirates Marketing Project this Saturday, it will almost be 11 years to the day we got that 6-0 pasting that ultimately spelt the death-knell of his tenure.

There were similar vibes about the sate of the team going into that match: "we are only x points from top 3/4", "we have been unlucky in this or that game", "we are still in all the cups" etc

I am REALLY fearing the game on Saturday...
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I am much more worried about Fulham at home next week. For the big games against City and Roma I think we'll see the necessary effort levels.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Like Jose and Conte, if you play rubbish football then people will only tolerate it if you win. If you play dire football and the results are crap then it’s only going to end in tears. He also didn’t help himself sticking to that high line even when he didn’t have the personnel to play it (see the 5-0 drubbing at home to Liverpool with Dawson playing CB using said high line). He was a likeable guy but the results and performances weren’t good enough ultimately.
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That game was meant to be the decider. Levy was meant to have invited a load of potential sponsors to the game. The 6-0 decided it. Even i thought it wasn't going to work out. We'd been figured out.
 
SpiderSpurs said:
Thought Cowlin was an insider? Is he validating what the social media site said or just repeating it?
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The only thing he's inside, is his house. He's got absolutely zero influence or information, besides being invited to some fan gatherings. He's just a (quite poor) youtuber, that got famous for constantly talking about panels during the stadium build. I have nothing against him, but to me he seems to be a bit limited.
 
Jurgen the German said:
Like Jose and Conte, if you play rubbish football then people will only tolerate it if you win. If you play dire football and the results are crap then it’s only going to end in tears. He also didn’t help himself sticking to that high line even when he didn’t have the personnel to play it (see the 5-0 drubbing at home to Liverpool with Dawson playing CB using said high line). He was a likeable guy but the results and performances weren’t good enough ultimately.
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I guess the other aspect is the player purchases.

We sold Bale (and Caulker) and we bought Chiriches, Capoue, Paulinho, Chadli, Eriksen, Lamela, Soldado.

Also, we could have played with a high back line of Lloris (37), Walker (26), Kaboul (11), Vertonghen (23), Rose (22). Best sweeper keeper in the world at the time. In brackets is the amount of league games those players managed to start. So we ended up with Naughton, Dawson, Chiriches etc deputising. In midfield Dembele managed to be fit for only 22 starts. He could have probably saved AVB his job on his own if we had the more defensive Mousa of 2 years later, especially with a fit Sandro alongside him, who managed just 10 starts.

Adebayor, Soldado, Defoe and a young Kane started that season as well. Erisken, Chadli, Gylfi and Lamela in that squad as well in the attacking areas.

It was a very good squad but no depth defensively, and too many newbies in one season. Way too many injuries.
 
Mikey10 said:
Similar reasons as to why Daniel will appoint Potter when he sacks Ange after Christmas.
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Another manager I have a soft spot for. Finished his playing career and took a degree in social sciences and followed up with a masters in business and emotional intelligence. After a couple of years in semi-pro management, he did more hard yards (7 years) in Sweden getting a 4th tier team promoted into the top tier and into the EL.

Only then did the world start noticing him at Swansea and Brighton. I still think there is a fantastic manager in that guy who has worked incredibly hard all his career. It's a shame that he left Brighton actually.
 
Baleforce said:
ah man, AVB

That first season, when he’d adjusted the defence, we lost like 3 league games between November and the end of the season

We were so good, he got the absolute best out of Bale
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He gave me one of the best nights as a Spurs fan when we beat Man Utd at Old Trafford, it was our first win there in over 20 years. Most of my cousins were all Utd fans and were always giving me brick about our record there, boy did i have fun after that game.
 
parklane1 said:
He gave me one of the best nights as a Spurs fan when we beat Man Utd at Old Trafford, it was our first win there in over 20 years. Most of my cousins were all Utd fans and were always giving me brick about our record there, boy did i have fun after that game.
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He oversaw one of my favourite ever Spurs performances too, not that long before he was fired really.

Away to Villa, the most comfortable win I’ve ever seen, they barely had a touch in our half, let alone our box, we completely shut them down.

It was art.
 
Muttley said:
Another manager I have a soft spot for. Finished his playing career and took a degree in social sciences and followed up with a masters in business and emotional intelligence. After a couple of years in semi-pro management, he did more hard yards (7 years) in Sweden getting a 4th tier team promoted into the top tier and into the EL.

Only then did the world start noticing him at Swansea and Brighton. I still think there is a fantastic manager in that guy who has worked incredibly hard all his career. It's a shame that he left Brighton actually.
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Stunned he didn’t get the England job
 
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