Welcome Ange: To Dare is to Didgeridoo

[Bishop]

Is it just me that thinks that Ange is adapting more recently? Both today and midweek he made key changes early in what must be a bid to keep players fresh. We also looked a lot stronger and more of a unit today than we had and I think that maybe we are looking to play on a smarter way. Maybe this has been born out of wanting to play for the result instead of going out there with freedom. But I have liked elements of what’s been happening and hope that it may continue. I also like that we are using youth players and maybe Ange will become better at rotating the squad if he can be trusting of more players outside of what would be considered the strongest first 11.

I think he has previously had too much belief in both his system and the suitability and quality of the players we have in playing it. That steadfast desire to stick to his program has hurt him and us this season, especially during this injury hit period (along with his refusal to use the extent of his squad for freshness). I'm not sure if he has truly adapted (the hope) or if the injuries and available players have just forced a change?

I guess we'll see over the medium turn when VDV and Romero are back. Or maybe even with Danso who is supposedly quite quick as well. If we see a return to the halfway high line then we'll know its player dependent rather than tactical. I hope its the latter because as i've said quite a few times I don't think his system is a million miles off, its just always needed a bit of a reality check in terms of what is possible with the squad of players he has and the relevant adaptations.

 

[tommysvr]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1886419778648092926

 

[billyiddo]

While that sounds great you have to assume they would have spoken prior to the failed bid the other day - not to be sceptical for the sake of it but my guess is that he held out for a better offer/deal and then when they didn't come he/his team fell back on the deal that was on the table - but making sure there was no obligation to make it permanent so he has an exit route planned in the summer.

 

[thfcsteff]

While that sounds great you have to assume they would have spoken prior to the failed bid the other day - not to be sceptical for the sake of it but my guess is that he held out for a better offer/deal and then when they didn't come he/his team fell back on the deal that was on the table - but making sure there was no obligation to make it permanent so he has an exit route planned in the summer.

Laurens is credible IMO.
Regardless of the details, I'll hand it to Levy and co for not giving up/throwing the towel in, and making sure we have what we need right now. Personally, I think the no-option is good for all.

 

[Raziel]

Laurens is credible IMO.
Regardless of the details, I'll hand it to Levy and co for not giving up/throwing the towel in, and making sure we have what we need right now. Personally, I think the no-option is good for all.

Exactly, Tel is both a Bayern boy and had options on the table (the supposed offense at a player wanting to make sure he's making the right decision for himself is amazing)

Said it in transfer thread, we played this well, we showed Bayern we have the hard cash to buy, now or summer, we have made the player feel more comfortable by not forcing the obligation, and clearly the manager has explained how he will get chance to shine ...

 

[thfcsteff]

Exactly, Tel is both a Bayern boy and had options on the table (the supposed offense at a player wanting to make sure he's making the right decision for himself is amazing)

Said it in transfer thread, we played this well, we showed Bayern we have the hard cash to buy, now or summer, we have made the player feel more comfortable by not forcing the obligation, and clearly the manager has explained how he will get chance to shine ...

I do wonder if Daniel's 'I hate to lose in business' instinct kicked in here? Regardless, a good deal!

 

[harr1984]

Laurens is credible IMO.
Regardless of the details, I'll hand it to Levy and co for not giving up/throwing the towel in, and making sure we have what we need right now. Personally, I think the no-option is good for all.

At the end of the day why would a highly sought after youngster sign permanently for a club he knows very little about who are sitting in the lower reaches of the league? Once he gets a feel for the club, hopefully enjoys his time here and he sees the potential we have and the good players we have who are now returning he might think differently. Of course Bayern might end up wanting to keep him, but it's a no brainer for us either way to have a talented forward ready to go....

 

[Raziel]

I think he has previously had too much belief in both his system and the suitability and quality of the players we have in playing it. That steadfast desire to stick to his program has hurt him and us this season, especially during this injury hit period (along with his refusal to use the extent of his squad for freshness). I'm not sure if he has truly adapted (the hope) or if the injuries and available players have just forced a change?

I guess we'll see over the medium turn when VDV and Romero are back. Or maybe even with Danso who is supposedly quite quick as well. If we see a return to the halfway high line then we'll know its player dependent rather than tactical. I hope its the latter because as i've said quite a few times I don't think his system is a million miles off, its just always needed a bit of a reality check in terms of what is possible with the squad of players he has and the relevant adaptations.

Will be interesting

- In my opinion the Brentford game is 100% us adapting to both the opposition and our situation (players available), it was an acknowledgement of "need to win this one", pretty not relevant and we did, and the players were committed to it.
- Add in the actual acknowledgement of the priority of the cups (resting VDV) is a huge step in right direction for me.

The players are still playing for him, if he can "learn"/adapt his game, then he has a chance

 

[Bullet]

The players are still playing for him, if he can "learn"/adapt his game, then he has a chance

This. Setting up with a 3 vs Everton and watching us get steamrollered in one half, was incredibly bad. Letting Leicester score twice in 5 minutes as we completely vacated midfield, was the second nail in the coffin for me. If he can turn this season around, learn and adapt, utilise the full squad instead of overworking his favourites, then perhaps he can still prise the coffin lid off and remain Spurs manager.

 

[Muttley]

I do wonder if Daniel's 'I hate to lose in business' instinct kicked in here? Regardless, a good deal!

Most likely, Lange read all the fragmented details correctly over the last few weeks and managed the Tel campaign beautifully. Levy was just an important member of a well managed campaign team by Johan.

This will not be Levy playing lone wolf at all. These are the deals we were losing when Levy was running football operations. We now have someone on our leadership team who reads the room as he is a specialist.

 

[thfcsteff]

Most likely, Lange read all the fragmented details correctly over the last few weeks and managed the Tel campaign beautifully. Levy was just an important member of a well managed campaign team by Johan.

This will not be Levy playing lone wolf at all. These are the deals we were losing when Levy was running football operations. We now have someone on our leadership team who reads the room as he is a specialist.

Of course, but we're back to the discussion of last week, wherby I felt suspicious that suddenly, Daniel's name was front and centre having not been for a while regarding transfers. I equated this to his getting heavy criticism and his 'team' seeing the opportunity for a 'PR win' here by making him a the 'deal maker'. He was shut down. I believe he does not like to get gazzumped thus worked very hard to make sure the deal remained alive.

I agree that Lange is obviously behind all deals we're doing, but let's face it, there's no PR value in claiming Kevin Danso for a win (a signing, BTW, which I think looks really really decent) but Tel is an international name in football and getting him is a bit of a coup...who knows? Regardless, I am glad it looks to have been done.

 

[thfcsteff]

This. Setting up with a 3 vs Everton and watching us get steamrollered in one half, was incredibly bad. Letting Leicester score twice in 5 minutes as we completely vacated midfield, was the second nail in the coffin for me. If he can turn this season around, learn and adapt, utilise the full squad instead of overworking his favourites, then perhaps he can still prise the coffin lid off and remain Spurs manager.

Again, look at the players he's been able to field in order to have that much more solidity. Yesterday was Bentancur and Bissouma's first outing together in the PL definitely since November and possibly since the season began.

 

[Muttley]

Of course, but we're back to the discussion of last week, wherby I felt suspicious that suddenly, Daniel's name was front and centre having not been for a while regarding transfers. I equated this to his getting heavy criticism and his 'team' seeing the opportunity for a 'PR win' here by making him a the 'deal maker'. He was shut down. I believe he does not like to get gazzumped thus worked very hard to make sure the deal remained alive.

I agree that Lange is obviously behind all deals we're doing, but let's face it, there's no PR value in claiming Kevin Danso for a win (a signing, BTW, which I think looks really really decent) but Tel is an international name in football and getting him is a bit of a coup...who knows? Regardless, I am glad it looks to have been done.

So you think this is a deliberate PR strategy by the club, or just the media flip flopping as always?

One thing that does occur to me that if it is a PR play by the club then they have it all wrong. Leaders get kudos when their teams do well. This PR strategy has just moved Munn even more to the background. That is an awful thing to happen to our chief football operations lead. They should re-introduce the video's like we hade with Fabio, perhaps even including Munn and Lange.

 

[Bullet]

This PR strategy has just moved Munn even more to the background. That is an awful thing to happen to our chief football operations lead.

I'm now wondering if Munn's title of chief football OPERATIONS lead means that he just does the OPERATIONS side of things i.e. do we have enough office space for the data team, do we need to buy more laptops for them, does the training ground have enough cones and bibs, did someone pay the heating bill, who is going to add gravel to the driveway, did the greenkeepers buy the right mower, does the stadium have enough catering staff, does the swimming pool need more chemicals... nothing to do with actual signing of players

 

[thfcsteff]

So you think this is a deliberate PR strategy by the club, or just the media flip flopping as always?

One thing that does occur to me that if it is a PR play by the club then they have it all wrong. Leaders get kudos when their teams do well. This PR strategy has just moved Munn even more to the background. That is an awful thing to happen to our chief football operations lead. They should re-introduce the video's like we hade with Fabio, perhaps even including Munn and Lange.

Not by the club in general, but here's my view...

I think it is very clear through the years that when Daniel gets heavily criticized, he jumps into action. The record is there for all to see; when his name gets negatively chanted, he acts.
I believe Tel was absolutely in our sights via Lange, of course. We initially tried to make him part of the Kane deal.
I believe that Levy built a good relationship witrh Bayern Munich over the Kane deal.
I wonder whether Levy's good relationships with Bayern and the player's situation with the manager/club led to them discussing this as being a possible deal?
I wonder whether Daniel believed that he had a deal agree when he (supposedly) went to Germany to conclude (why else would that leak have happened?) and that his 'team' saw the opportunity of a 'double win'?
I wonder whether having been rebuffed -and somehow found himself in a public 'rejection'- he doubled down, hung tough, and did whatever he had to do in order to help push it through (I wonder whether more money was offered to the player, etc)?

Look, who knows, and frankly at this point, who cares I suppose - the deal got done and I have to say I think the terms look really favourable for everyone concerned.

A large 'well done' to Daniel Levy and all involved.

Regarding the videos you mention, these are PRECISELY what I felt we should've been circulating in early January. They would've re-established for supporters the path we were on AND inadvertently shown support for it/the manager. The silence was deafening.

 

[braineclipse]

While that sounds great you have to assume they would have spoken prior to the failed bid the other day - not to be sceptical for the sake of it but my guess is that he held out for a better offer/deal and then when they didn't come he/his team fell back on the deal that was on the table - but making sure there was no obligation to make it permanent so he has an exit route planned in the summer.

Agreed. I'm guessing the finality of the failed bid was overstated in the reporting.

And part of it probably being about a young kid needing some time on deciding his future when (temporarily or permanently) moving away from a club he probably wants to play for. Ending up with him keeping his options open, which is fair.

I do wonder if Daniel's 'I hate to lose in business' instinct kicked in here? Regardless, a good deal!

Most likely he did his job, as he probably almost always does, and this time it worked out. Sometimes it will work out, sometimes not.

 

[braineclipse]

Not by the club in general, but here's my view...

I think it is very clear through the years that when Daniel gets heavily criticized, he jumps into action. The record is there for all to see; when his name gets negatively chanted, he acts.
I believe Tel was absolutely in our sights via Lange, of course. We initially tried to make him part of the Kane deal.
I believe that Levy built a good relationship witrh Bayern Munich over the Kane deal.
I wonder whether Levy's good relationships with Bayern and the player's situation with the manager/club led to them discussing this as being a possible deal?
I wonder whether Daniel believed that he had a deal agree when he (supposedly) went to Germany to conclude (why else would that leak have happened?) and that his 'team' saw the opportunity of a 'double win'?
I wonder whether having been rebuffed -and somehow found himself in a public 'rejection'- he doubled down, hung tough, and did whatever he had to do in order to help push it through (I wonder whether more money was offered to the player, etc)?

Look, who knows, and frankly at this point, who cares I suppose - the deal got done and I have to say I think the terms look really favourable for everyone concerned.

A large 'well done' to Daniel Levy and all involved.

Regarding the videos you mention, these are PRECISELY what I felt we should've been circulating in early January. They would've re-established for supporters the path we were on AND inadvertently shown support for it/the manager. The silence was deafening.

You seem to be implying at least that Levy jumps into action because he gets criticism?

I think just as likely he jumps into action when we're struggling. And that happens to coincide with him getting criticism. But who can actually know other than the man himself...

 

[thfcsteff]

You seem to be implying at least that Levy jumps into action because he gets criticism?

I think just as likely he jumps into action when we're struggling. And that happens to coincide with him getting criticism. But who can actually know other than the man himself...

Probably both. I think the key is 'reactive'...

 

[Robspur12]

Again, look at the players he's been able to field in order to have that much more solidity. Yesterday was Bentancur and Bissouma's first outing together in the PL definitely since November and possibly since the season began.

Against Liverpool he was able to maintain the same solidity as yesterday yet he had Bergvall and Biss as the double pivot. It doesn't necessarily have to be Bentancur and Biss, we know there will be times when they won't be available together. So he needs to adapt his tactics to suit who he has at his disposal. The league form this season has not been acceptable even with those injuries. If he can do that and improve his in game management then he may have a future here.

 

[Lilbaz]

Not by the club in general, but here's my view...

I think it is very clear through the years that when Daniel gets heavily criticized, he jumps into action. The record is there for all to see; when his name gets negatively chanted, he acts.
I believe Tel was absolutely in our sights via Lange, of course. We initially tried to make him part of the Kane deal.
I believe that Levy built a good relationship witrh Bayern Munich over the Kane deal.
I wonder whether Levy's good relationships with Bayern and the player's situation with the manager/club led to them discussing this as being a possible deal?
I wonder whether Daniel believed that he had a deal agree when he (supposedly) went to Germany to conclude (why else would that leak have happened?) and that his 'team' saw the opportunity of a 'double win'?
I wonder whether having been rebuffed -and somehow found himself in a public 'rejection'- he doubled down, hung tough, and did whatever he had to do in order to help push it through (I wonder whether more money was offered to the player, etc)?

Look, who knows, and frankly at this point, who cares I suppose - the deal got done and I have to say I think the terms look really favourable for everyone concerned.

A large 'well done' to Daniel Levy and all involved.

Regarding the videos you mention, these are PRECISELY what I felt we should've been circulating in early January. They would've re-established for supporters the path we were on AND inadvertently shown support for it/the manager. The silence was deafening.

Levy doesn't care what you think. He's business. If he thinks there is a risk to his business he will act.