Welcome Ange: To Dare is to Didgeridoo

[Bedfordspurs]

I don’t understand this argument that the fans are the ones to blame for the sackings of those managers. To be clear I’m not digging at you as you’ve only said they influenced the decision, but there seems to be this strange idea that the fans were all chanting for the likes of Conte and Jose to go when that is just not the case. If Levy wanted to keep those managers but didn’t want to upset the fans well then that just doesn’t compute with this strong, hard nosed, take no brick, always bend other teams over and make them play by HIS RULES image that is projected of him on here. It makes him look weak. For the record, I disagree that fans influenced his decision. And I don’t agree that it’s the fans who are to blame for managers getting sack when Levy is actually the one pulling the trigger.

Conte quit himself don’t forget
Jose was about saving money

 

[billyiddo]

I don’t understand this argument that the fans are the ones to blame for the sackings of those managers. To be clear I’m not digging at you as you’ve only said they influenced the decision, but there seems to be this strange idea that the fans were all chanting for the likes of Conte and Jose to go when that is just not the case. If Levy wanted to keep those managers but didn’t want to upset the fans well then that just doesn’t compute with this strong, hard nosed, take no brick, always bend other teams over and make them play by HIS RULES image that is projected of him on here. It makes him look weak. For the record, I disagree that fans influenced his decision. And I don’t agree that it’s the fans who are to blame for managers getting sack when Levy is actually the one pulling the trigger.

The argument is probably that you can't complain about the board being trigger happy when the fans wanted each of those managers out, in many cases long before they were eventually let go?

 

[tommysvr]

I don’t understand this argument that the fans are the ones to blame for the sackings of those managers. To be clear I’m not digging at you as you’ve only said they influenced the decision, but there seems to be this strange idea that the fans were all chanting for the likes of Conte and Jose to go when that is just not the case. If Levy wanted to keep those managers but didn’t want to upset the fans well then that just doesn’t compute with this strong, hard nosed, take no brick, always bend other teams over and make them play by HIS RULES image that is projected of him on here. It makes him look weak. For the record, I disagree that fans influenced his decision. And I don’t agree that it’s the fans who are to blame for managers getting sack when Levy is actually the one pulling the trigger.

It’s not that he’s sacked managers because of fans, it’s that he wouldn’t sack them if there was overwhelming support of a manager. Poch and Jol are the only ones who come close to that, and even then neither decision was a major shock.

 

[Mikey10]

6 players not even in the squad: Tanganga Rodon Sessegnion Spence Reguilon Ndombele

7 in the squad Davies Emerson Skipp Højbjerg Gil Forester Solomon

13 in total. And I'm sure people could add others to that list....it's gonna take a good few windows

We’ve been in a similar position since the last 6 months of Poch’s reign. Our board expect unrealistic returns on average players who have failed with us, so I’m not anticipating us starting next season in a different position.

 

[Mrs Vert]

We’ve been in a similar position since the last 6 months of Poch’s reign. Our board expect unrealistic returns on average players who have failed with us, so I’m not anticipating us starting next season in a different position.

Although this year, we have operated quicker with getting people in. Lets hope it continues, but like you it has been so ingrained that I find it hard to believe!

 

[jrh]

Although this year, we have operated quicker with getting people in. Lets hope it continues, but like you it has been so ingrained that I find it hard to believe!

It's the challenge Ange has laid down, he's put the football department on notice. The plans are supposedly in place, so if we dally and fail to get business done in both directions early, we know where the blame ultimately lies.

 

[Lilbaz]

It's the challenge Ange has laid down, he's put the football department on notice. The plans are supposedly in place, so if we dally and fail to get business done in both directions early, we know where the blame ultimately lies.

Munn?

 

[Mikey10]

It's the challenge Ange has laid down, he's put the football department on notice. The plans are supposedly in place, so if we dally and fail to get business done in both directions early, we know where the blame ultimately lies.

Pochettino, Mourinho and Conte say hello.

 

[jrh]

Munn?

Depends how much power Levy has given him on final decisions. But if he has full autonomy, I'd say yep.

 

[Jurgen the German]

The argument is probably that you can't complain about the board being trigger happy when the fans wanted each of those managers out, in many cases long before they were eventually let go?

Jose I definitely think the fans never warmed to because of his style of play and his Chelsea connection. I think there are always times when fans aren’t happy with how things are going, I don’t think that’s the same as actively wanting them out. And I don’t think the atmosphere was toxic as a result of a manager being unpopular, it was aimed more at the club (Levy) then any manager as he is the only constant in 23 ish years.

 

[Jurgen the German]

It’s not that he’s sacked managers because of fans, it’s that he wouldn’t sack them if there was overwhelming support of a manager. Poch and Jol are the only ones who come close to that, and even then neither decision was a major shock.

I think that’s always going to be tough to have a fully united fanbase if results and performances aren’t there. We saw everyone behind Ange to a man earlier in the season. There may be some fans on the fence now but I don’t think that stops the fans getting behind the team. I always say you should never boo the team before the game is finished, boo the result at the end if you’re that way inclined. The majority of fans were still behind Harry and Poch IMO when they were sacked. Levy can do what he likes at the end of the day he runs the club. Clubs like Arsenal and West Ham have more patient owners. I always point to Arteta’s first two seasons. If he achieved that at spurs no way Levy keeps him in a job.

 

[Lilbaz]

I think that’s always going to be tough to have a fully united fanbase if results and performances aren’t there. We saw everyone behind Ange to a man earlier in the season. There may be some fans on the fence now but I don’t think that stops the fans getting behind the team. I always say you should never boo the team before the game is finished, boo the result at the end if you’re that way inclined. The majority of fans were still behind Harry and Poch IMO when they were sacked. Levy can do what he likes at the end of the day he runs the club. Clubs like Arsenal and West Ham have more patient owners. I always point to Arteta’s first two seasons. If he achieved that at spurs no way Levy keeps him in a job.

Dunno. He won an fa cup.

 

[tommysvr]

I think that’s always going to be tough to have a fully united fanbase if results and performances aren’t there. We saw everyone behind Ange to a man earlier in the season. There may be some fans on the fence now but I don’t think that stops the fans getting behind the team. I always say you should never boo the team before the game is finished, boo the result at the end if you’re that way inclined. The majority of fans were still behind Harry and Poch IMO when they were sacked. Levy can do what he likes at the end of the day he runs the club. Clubs like Arsenal and West Ham have more patient owners. I always point to Arteta’s first two seasons. If he achieved that at spurs no way Levy keeps him in a job.

You’re dealing in hypotheticals which are impossible to prove. The was no overriding sense that Levy shouldn’t have sacked Poch at the time — we had been terrible for 2019 and the CL run masked it. The anger came through his mistakes in appointing Jose, Nuno and Conte afterwards.

With Jol, I’d say the majority of fans were on board with it, just not the way it happened (half time vs Getafe).

 

[Jurgen the German]

You’re dealing in hypotheticals which are impossible to prove. The was no overriding sense that Levy shouldn’t have sacked Poch at the time — we had been terrible for 2019 and the CL run masked it. The anger came through his mistakes in appointing Jose, Nuno and Conte afterwards.

With Jol, I’d say the majority of fans were on board with it, just not the way it happened (half time vs Getafe).

Fair post. I guess we don’t know what will happen with Ange. Hopefully he’s a resounding success next season. In the event that the team struggle and we’re not competing for the top 4 I hope Levy remains patient as long as it’s clear we’re heading in the right direction performance wise. I’m just pushing back at the notion that it was the fans getting impatient not Levy when it was Levy that pulled the trigger on firing those coaches. If you think he will be patient that’s fine but let’s not rewrite history and pretend the majority of the fanbase wanted those managers out and were actively campaigning for it when in reality they were voicing their disapproval at Levy.

 

[tommysvr]

If you think he will be patient that’s fine but let’s not rewrite history and pretend the majority of the fanbase wanted those managers out and were actively campaigning for it when in reality they were voicing their disapproval at Levy.

That is not at all what I’ve said though. What’s the point discussing something if you’re just going to manufacture replies to suit what you’re saying?

 

[Jurgen the German]

That is not at all what I’ve said though. What’s the point discussing something if you’re just going to manufacture replies to suit what you’re saying?

My original post wasn’t aimed at you or responding to you. I was responding to the idea that our fans are impatient and Levy only responded to the fans wanting managers out.

 

[Bishop]

Found out worse with a better team than ours TBH

I want the best for Spurs, so let's sack Ange, let's go from averaging 2 seasons just to a year and get rid.....what's the plan now

I'm not being sarcastic or even biting, just sell the idea we sack Ange and get who? I'm hopeful we stumble on another Ange who can almost drag us to the level, but who is that now???

I honestly can only think the people who think we should potentially sack Ange think this squad is faaaar better than it really is because if 5th isn't good enough with this squad what exactly are they expecting this group of players to achieve?

I think they are bonkers, we have a decent team, but that's it it's decent. It has some really obvious flaws and gaps and so I'm just not understanding the rage and fury. Before the season started we would have bitten hands off for 5th. I wanted top 6 so 5th is disappointing considering some of the early form, but that form was never going to be sustainable.

 

[Bishop]

The simplest answer for not passing forwards, imv, is a lack of movement off the ball for the man in possession to make a progressive pass and/or a lack of understanding of what the plan when in possession is

You're simply wrong though, the movement is there, it's clear as day. The players are not being brave enough to find the pass to match the movement.

Or the players aren't capable of making those progressive passes. It's one thing to see them, it's another to actually have the confidence and the ability to actually play them. Even earlier in the season we weren't really breaking lines consistently with our passing but the pace of the passing was much higher. I do think that's dropped off as the confidence has waned but I think again it's an ability issue rather than a coaching one.

 

[Baleforce]

I honestly can only think the people who think we should potentially sack Ange think this squad is faaaar better than it really is because if 5th isn't good enough with this squad what exactly are they expecting this group of players to achieve?

I think they are bonkers, we have a decent team, but that's it it's decent. It has some really obvious flaws and gaps and so I'm just not understanding the rage and fury. Before the season started we would have bitten hands off for 5th. I wanted top 6 so 5th is disappointing considering some of the early form, but that form was never going to be sustainable.

I don't think I've seen anyone actually advocate that.

 

[Bishop]

I don't think I've seen anyone actually advocate that.

Maybe not but there's definitely a bit of vibe leading that way.