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Victimpool FC - Klopp leaving, grown men crying
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Crawley
Board Legend
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Think Chris Hughton would be the best man for the job. They aren't far off where Saudi Sportswashing Machine were when we overhauled them.
NaijaSpurs
Les Ferdinand
So bookies have stopped taking bets on AVB being the next Liverpool manager, interesting
Alaric
Erik Edman
Sven is free...I'm sure he'd be interested in the job.
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
My tip for the job is pardew.
Everything ive seen from the owners and from what I understand about the system their applying (money all principles) lends itself to a young dynamic manager. With their still limited knowledge of the game and the way that they approached Billy Bean in baseball ( as the most recent star performer) I can see them going for pardew. I think they would want a manager in charge who is used to dealing with limited budgets and squeezing what he can from the players and that's something pardew has done exceedingly well this year.... Bu he it's just a hunch
Everything ive seen from the owners and from what I understand about the system their applying (money all principles) lends itself to a young dynamic manager. With their still limited knowledge of the game and the way that they approached Billy Bean in baseball ( as the most recent star performer) I can see them going for pardew. I think they would want a manager in charge who is used to dealing with limited budgets and squeezing what he can from the players and that's something pardew has done exceedingly well this year.... Bu he it's just a hunch
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indianspur
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good shout, but they will have to bring in Graham Carr too otherwise their master plan will fall flat on its face. A top scout is important, but only if the manager has an implicit trust in the scout and takes on the scouts suggestions. Carr and Pardew work well together
Bedfordspurs
Mark Falco
Can see that happening too. Give him a DOF role or something similar
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
Really? Could be a genius appointment or a crazy one.
chancer
Gudni Bergsson
That was my exact thought. In a weird way I'd admire them for putting their balls on the block with an appointment like that.
But my GHod, the pressure on AVB would be immense. Does he get a 3rd big job if he flunks Liverpool? Surely not. He'd probably still pick up a top job in Portugal, or perhaps somewhere like Wolfsburg, Osasuna, Parma or Villa. But CL teams would surely baulk until he got himself back in the saddle somewhere.
I'm wondering if Liverpool might be a more natural environment than the King's Road for him though. I'd say so. I think he probably needs some touchy-feely love to relax him a bit, rather than the corporate, alpha-male, Masters-of-the-Universe atmosphere at Chelsea. Much more likely to recreate the Porto team spirit that brought him success at Pool than Chelsea I'd imagine.
That's exactly the thing. It's not about whoever coaches/manages the team. Liverpool need someone to bring in the right players. The old school manager is a dying breed as it's just too much for one man. You do need people that are willing and able to work together as a team though. IMO Pardew was brought in to Saudi Sportswashing Machine on the basis that he wouldn't be in charge of recruiting players, his job is to make them perform on the pitch.
Yes, but he has Gerrard, Carragher, Reina amongst others, while I don't think it's the same level as Cheat$ki, there is an old school player group there as well.
The real question for the new manager is going to be, will he be allowed to dump the dross Dogleash bought (at a significant loss) and buy replacements? because I don't think anyone is going to make Pool a top 4 side with Downing/Adams/Henderson/etc, and Reina/Gerrard/Kuyt have all seen the best years go by.
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/may/16/kenny-dalglish-fenway-liverpool
Kenny Dalglish is gone but has Fenway taken on too much at Liverpool?
The Liverpool icon Kenny Dalglish's second stint as manager is summarily over and, with his departure, so too is the honeymoon period for the club's American owners, John W Henry's Fenway Sports Group. Liverpool seemed to promise such fun for them, and riches, when they were back-slapped in 19 months ago, paying off, as the price of buying the club, the ?ú200m debt that the previous pair, Tom Hicks and George Gillett, borrowed to buy the club in the first place.
Yet now, and after a disappointing season in which expensively bought players failed to justify their outlandish fees, Liverpool supporters will demand a coherent plan from FSG, for a new manager, coaching structure, and some action on the stadium.
When they arrived, Roy Hodgson was struggling painfully, but it was FSG's decision to hire Dalglish on a permanent contract, and now they have sacked him. They appointed Damien Comolli as director of football on the recommendation of a baseball general manager, Billy Beane. Then they sacked Comolli too.
Liverpool overspent on players under FSG, the ?ú35m for Andy Carroll the most staggering example, but Henry publicly endorsed that. The owners also supported Dalglish's protest at the FA's ruling that Luis Su?írez had racially abused Patrice Evra, and Liverpool put out two dreadful, complaining official statements, so Dalglish's sacking has little to do with that. Last week the head of communications, Ian Cotton, who worked for 16 years at a club previously known for a dignified Liverpool way and then had to wrestle with the Su?írez stance, departed too.
FSG have not only a manager's job to fill, but to design a whole structure, if they are to persist with a director of football, an appointment that is key, too. When they took over, the reports of their Boston Red Sox baseball team stewardship were glowing and had seductive parallels – there they restored a grand, fallen club to championship triumphs and its old ground, Fenway Park, sumptuously. But the discomforting truth, only dimly recognised here, is that Henry, Tom Werner and their fellow FSG investors bought Liverpool just as they were running into serious problems at the Red Sox for the first time. Last season the team failed to make the play-offs, a failure considered more catastrophic there than Liverpool fans feel about missing Champions League qualification. The Red Sox general manager, Theo Epstein, left and the coach, Terry Francona, was sacked.
Yet the replacement Red Sox coach, Bobby Valentine, is not faring any better; the Red Sox are bottom of their division, the fans unhappy, the press critical, which is all uncomfortable for the owners.
At Liverpool, you can overlay on FSG's Boston headaches four additional major difficulties. First, while they are lifelong baseball aficionados, they knew almost nothing about football before they bought one of its greatest institutions. Second, a much underrated difficulty in this Premier League experiment, the first ever in world football, is overseas ownership of clubs: FSG are busy people, a long way away, inconvenienced in daily business by time differences.
Third, Liverpool also have a stadium to sort out. The stated need that rich men must stand behind the cost of building a new stadium on Stanley Park was the sole reason Liverpool were sold in the first place, the former chairman David Moores making ?ú90m for his shares. Yet FSG, having done a gorgeous job with Fenway Park, arrived saying they would look at redeveloping Anfield. So far they have spent 19 months scratching their heads over the same planning problems Moores's former chief executive, Rick Parry, found insurmountable.
Fourth is money. FSG were attracted by Premier League football's lucrative worldwide following, basing their calculations on Champions League qualification. The fans retain patience for FSG because they paid off the Hicks and Gillett debt and above that have lent Liverpool ?ú30m interest free, freeing up money they then overspent. It appears, though, they do not intend to put more in, because Liverpool's accounts state they organised a ?ú120m facility to borrow money from banks.
With expensive signings of historic proportions, Dalglish now fired, much blood spilt on the carpets and no news yet on the stadium, the American owners' next moves have to be very much more sure-footed.
Kenny Dalglish is gone but has Fenway taken on too much at Liverpool?
The Liverpool icon Kenny Dalglish's second stint as manager is summarily over and, with his departure, so too is the honeymoon period for the club's American owners, John W Henry's Fenway Sports Group. Liverpool seemed to promise such fun for them, and riches, when they were back-slapped in 19 months ago, paying off, as the price of buying the club, the ?ú200m debt that the previous pair, Tom Hicks and George Gillett, borrowed to buy the club in the first place.
Yet now, and after a disappointing season in which expensively bought players failed to justify their outlandish fees, Liverpool supporters will demand a coherent plan from FSG, for a new manager, coaching structure, and some action on the stadium.
When they arrived, Roy Hodgson was struggling painfully, but it was FSG's decision to hire Dalglish on a permanent contract, and now they have sacked him. They appointed Damien Comolli as director of football on the recommendation of a baseball general manager, Billy Beane. Then they sacked Comolli too.
Liverpool overspent on players under FSG, the ?ú35m for Andy Carroll the most staggering example, but Henry publicly endorsed that. The owners also supported Dalglish's protest at the FA's ruling that Luis Su?írez had racially abused Patrice Evra, and Liverpool put out two dreadful, complaining official statements, so Dalglish's sacking has little to do with that. Last week the head of communications, Ian Cotton, who worked for 16 years at a club previously known for a dignified Liverpool way and then had to wrestle with the Su?írez stance, departed too.
FSG have not only a manager's job to fill, but to design a whole structure, if they are to persist with a director of football, an appointment that is key, too. When they took over, the reports of their Boston Red Sox baseball team stewardship were glowing and had seductive parallels – there they restored a grand, fallen club to championship triumphs and its old ground, Fenway Park, sumptuously. But the discomforting truth, only dimly recognised here, is that Henry, Tom Werner and their fellow FSG investors bought Liverpool just as they were running into serious problems at the Red Sox for the first time. Last season the team failed to make the play-offs, a failure considered more catastrophic there than Liverpool fans feel about missing Champions League qualification. The Red Sox general manager, Theo Epstein, left and the coach, Terry Francona, was sacked.
Yet the replacement Red Sox coach, Bobby Valentine, is not faring any better; the Red Sox are bottom of their division, the fans unhappy, the press critical, which is all uncomfortable for the owners.
At Liverpool, you can overlay on FSG's Boston headaches four additional major difficulties. First, while they are lifelong baseball aficionados, they knew almost nothing about football before they bought one of its greatest institutions. Second, a much underrated difficulty in this Premier League experiment, the first ever in world football, is overseas ownership of clubs: FSG are busy people, a long way away, inconvenienced in daily business by time differences.
Third, Liverpool also have a stadium to sort out. The stated need that rich men must stand behind the cost of building a new stadium on Stanley Park was the sole reason Liverpool were sold in the first place, the former chairman David Moores making ?ú90m for his shares. Yet FSG, having done a gorgeous job with Fenway Park, arrived saying they would look at redeveloping Anfield. So far they have spent 19 months scratching their heads over the same planning problems Moores's former chief executive, Rick Parry, found insurmountable.
Fourth is money. FSG were attracted by Premier League football's lucrative worldwide following, basing their calculations on Champions League qualification. The fans retain patience for FSG because they paid off the Hicks and Gillett debt and above that have lent Liverpool ?ú30m interest free, freeing up money they then overspent. It appears, though, they do not intend to put more in, because Liverpool's accounts state they organised a ?ú120m facility to borrow money from banks.
With expensive signings of historic proportions, Dalglish now fired, much blood spilt on the carpets and no news yet on the stadium, the American owners' next moves have to be very much more sure-footed.
Thought I'd throw this in here (league only)
Wow, think a lot of people would have lost money on that one
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
Following in the footsteps of KKK won't help either. He's already starting from a bad place with half of the city in mourning over their lost messiah. It will make no difference to 'pool fans that Kenny was in fact a very naughty boy and AVB might actually be the messiah. It will be the making or breaking of AVB if he goes there.
I like the bit in bold. Very well put.
Thought I'd throw this in here (league only)
what's been forgotten in all the cup heroics is that RDM hasn't beaten anyone of note in the league since he took over. drew with the filth and us and lost to city, Saudi Sportswashing Machine and liverpool