Victimpool FC - Klopp leaving, grown men crying

[Danishfurniturelover]

Comolli is doing another fine job I see. What a clown!

Thats the thing i think he is the biggest problem they have there. Kenny is obviously a dingdong head but he has been given some awful players. I read that comolli got kicked out of the french club he was at as well.

 

[braineclipse]

Thats the thing i think he is the biggest problem they have there. Kenny is obviously a dingdong head but he has been given some awful players. I read that comolli got kicked out of the french club he was at as well.

Not sure who actually were behind the players they've signed so far, Carroll, Downing, Henderson, not exactly typical Comolli players. Probably him and Daglish agreed on those players to some extent at least, but at the very least I think Daglish had his say and approved those purchases.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Not sure who actually were behind the players they've signed so far, Carroll, Downing, Henderson, not exactly typical Comolli players. Probably him and Daglish agreed on those players to some extent at least, but at the very least I think Daglish had his say and approved those purchases.

Comolli has to take at least part of the blame surely. He would have got ALL of the credit from certain quarters on here if Liverpool were in the top 4.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Not sure who actually were behind the players they've signed so far, Carroll, Downing, Henderson, not exactly typical Comolli players. Probably him and Daglish agreed on those players to some extent at least, but at the very least I think Daglish had his say and approved those purchases.

You could well be right, i can not imagine dalglish allowing players he never heard off, but under comolli we over paid for bentley and bent and zokora, so im inclined to think the link is comolli.

 

[braineclipse]

Comolli has to take at least part of the blame surely. He would have got ALL of the credit from certain quarters on here if Liverpool were in the top 4.

Part, sure. But "he has been given some awful players" is far from "part of the blame".

I find some of the things Daglish does puzzling. Against Saudi Sportswashing Machine he played Carrol up front, no real wingers, Suarez and Bellamy in wide-ish positions. Then he puts on Downing quite late in the game, but on the right, two minutes later he subs Carroll and then he puts Downing on the left... If that was Harry I would have been tearing my hair out in bewilderment.

I think the main point where both Comolli and Daglish deserve the hardest criticism though is that they failed to replace the injured Lucas in January. They were a lot better with Lucas in the side, their points per game with and without Lucas looks almost like playing with or without a goalkeeper.

 

[braineclipse]

You could well be right, i can not imagine dalglish allowing players he never heard off, but under comolli we over paid for bentley and bent and zokora, so im inclined to think the link is comolli.

Zokora is a bit different, was most of a "DoF" signing. Bent was always a strange one. You might be right about Bentley as well...

 

[Jurgen the German]

Part, sure. But "he has been given some awful players" is far from "part of the blame".

I find some of the things Daglish does puzzling. Against Saudi Sportswashing Machine he played Carrol up front, no real wingers, Suarez and Bellamy in wide-ish positions. Then he puts on Downing quite late in the game, but on the right, two minutes later he subs Carroll and then he puts Downing on the left... If that was Harry I would have been tearing my hair out in bewilderment.

I think the main point where both Comolli and Daglish deserve the hardest criticism though is that they failed to replace the injured Lucas in January. They were a lot better with Lucas in the side, their points per game with and without Lucas looks almost like playing with or without a goalkeeper.

Good point about Lucas. Spearing is just a thug and is not adequate cover for Lucas who was actually putting in some decent performances before he got injured.

Japanese got it spot on about the link with Comolli being at two clubs who have wasted vasts amounts of money.

I'm not keen on the DoF system and I'm always baffled when there are threads of GG proclaiming that we need a DoF again. We don't! Were fine just the way we are. By all means, let Levy do a lot of the legwork when it comes to signings, but the manager should always have the final say as to which players come and go. The Dof just adds another ego into the mix which isn't needed IMO.

 

[braineclipse]

Good point about Lucas. Spearing is just a thug and is not adequate cover for Lucas who was actually putting in some decent performances before he got injured.

Japanese got it spot on about the link with Comolli being at two clubs who have wasted vasts amounts of money.

I'm not keen on the DoF system and I'm always baffled when there are threads of GG proclaiming that we need a DoF again. We don't! Were fine just the way we are. By all means, let Levy do a lot of the legwork when it comes to signings, but the manager should always have the final say as to which players come and go. The Dof just adds another ego into the mix which isn't needed IMO.

Massive understatement. Very good player.

Comolli wasted some money for us, but he also brought in some real gems. Most of what he lost us was offset by what we made on Berbatov and he left us with Modric and Bale... But I'm not going to start the DoF discussion again

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Massive understatement. Very good player.

Comolli wasted some money for us, but he also brought in some real gems. Most of what he lost us was offset by what we made on Berbatov and he left us with Modric and Bale... But I'm not going to start the DoF discussion again

Berbatov was not a comolli signing, ekotto was about the best comolli signing.

 

[DubaiSpur]

Berbatov was not a comolli signing, ekotto was about the best comolli signing.

Hmm...not sure about Berbs, wasn't he Comolli's early blockbuster signing? But as for BAE, don't see how he could be called a Comolli 'success', seeing as he was horribly hit-and-miss when the man was here, and only improved after he left and Harry came in.

 

[braineclipse]

Berbatov was not a comolli signing, ekotto was about the best comolli signing.

How do you know Berbatov "was not a Comolli signing"?

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Hmm...not sure about Berbs, wasn't he Comolli's early blockbuster signing? But as for BAE, don't see how he could be called a Comolli 'success', seeing as he was horribly hit-and-miss when the man was here, and only improved after he left and Harry came in.

thats more to do with the coaching he received when he first got here, but he is a good player so i put it as a sucess. I was wondering about kaboul because he is good now but was not first time round, this was the main problem with comolli he did not sign players who were ready for the first team. He did not know about getting players that fitted the system we wanted.

He is doing it again at liverpool and i am finding it very very funny.

 

[The Moonlit Knight]

Hmm...not sure about Berbs, wasn't he Comolli's early blockbuster signing? But as for BAE, don't see how he could be called a Comolli 'success', seeing as he was horribly hit-and-miss when the man was here, and only improved after he left and Harry came in.

We were after him when Arnesen was still at the club.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

How do you know Berbatov "was not a Comolli signing"?

Because im a geek about all things tottenham and i remember berbatov saying that arnseen went over to germany during the season before we signed him and was doing the ground work for the deal. I remember clearly reading big frank saying he knew we had to conclude the deal quickly because the owner of the german club was saying that man u were also sniffing around.

Big frank tehn did the dirty and went to chelsea but the deal was already set up for berbatov to come here, i have read this story and the account from big frank and berbatov match up.

Berbatov was not a comolli signing i do not care if he came in when he was director of football. If we got a new chairman and the stadium got built under that chairman do you think he would be the one who got the stadium built or would it be levy? it is the same principle.

 

[mudshark]

We were after him when Arnesen was still at the club.

Yes, my memory is that it was the Jol-Arnesen axis that brought us Berbatov, and if we could have kept that management team together, I believe we might have done great things.

 

[SUIYHA]

Because im a geek about all things tottenham and i remember berbatov saying that arnseen went over to germany during the season before we signed him and was doing the ground work for the deal. I remember clearly reading big frank saying he knew we had to conclude the deal quickly because the owner of the german club was saying that man u were also sniffing around.

Big frank tehn did the dirty and went to chelsea but the deal was already set up for berbatov to come here, i have read this story and the account from big frank and berbatov match up.

Berbatov was not a comolli signing i do not care if he came in when he was director of football. If we got a new chairman and the stadium got built under that chairman do you think he would be the one who got the stadium built or would it be levy? it is the same principle.

You remember wrong. For starters, it wasn't until a year after Arnesen left that we signed Berbatov. Even if he had identified him to the club, when Arnesen left we hadn't finished in the top 6 for 14 years, hell we hadn't even finished in the top 8 for practically a decade. There's no way Berbatov would have even looked at us in 2005.

Also, there's this:

"I've watched Spurs for a couple of months, how they play and have grown, and I hope to do something special here," the 25-year-old told BBC Sport.

"They tried to buy me in January but they (Leverkusen) said no. Spurs waited and have now signed me."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/t/tottenham_hotspur/4989122.stm

ÔÇ£IÔÇÖd done the deal with Leverkusen,ÔÇØ Comolli says of the evening he signed Berbatov. ÔÇ£I met with Berba and his agent in the hotel and I had given Berba my pen to sign the contract. Just as he was putting the pen to paper, the phone rings. The agent excused himself and went out. Two minutes later he calls Berba out. For 20 minutes they were gone. I was thinking ÔÇÿthis is going all wrongÔÇÖ. They came back in and signed. After it was done the agent told me it was Manchester United ÔÇô they had tried to stop the deal.ÔÇØ

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ck-in-contentment-at-his-Tottenham-years.html

 

[Enter the Pitbull]

1 If the Premier League had started on New Year's Day, Liverpool, with eight points from 12 games, would be 19th in the table, with only Wolverhampton Wanderers below
Top six
1 Man Utd 28pts
2 Emirates Marketing Project 26pts
3 Saudi Sportswashing Machine 23pts
4 Sunderland 23pts
5 Arsenal 22pts
6 Everton 22pts
Bottom six
15 Wigan 13pts
16 Stoke 12pts
17 QPR 11pts
18 Aston Villa 10pts
19 Liverpool 8pts
20 Wolves 5pts

2 Liverpool are 16 points off fourth place and entry into next season's Champions League qualifiers, their stated aim at the start of this campaign. They are closer to the relegation zone, being only 14 points ahead of 18th-placed Queens Park Rangers
4 Tottenham 58pts
8 Liverpool 42pts
18 QPR 28pts

3 Liverpool have lost six of their last seven league games. The last time they endured such a poor run of form was in 1953-54, when they were relegated

4 1953-54 was also the last time Liverpool had such a poor points per game ratio in the top flight (correcting the discrepancy of the old two-points-for-a-win system). Liverpool's current points per game ratio is a lowly 1.35, 42 points in 31 games

5 Liverpool's goals per game ratio is 1.16, 36 goals in 31 games, making this Liverpool team the least frequent scorers since the 1991-92 season under Graeme Souness

6 Liverpool have never had a season in which both their points and goal per game ratios were so low. The closest is 1923-24, when they recorded 41 points in 42 games (0.98) and 49 goals (1.17)

7 Liverpool's home form has been particularly poor, winning only five of their 15 games at Anfield, or 33%. Again we need to go back to 1953-54 for the last time when they won so few, seven of 21 in the relegation season

8 Liverpool's goal difference is +3. Liverpool have not had such a low goal difference at the end of a season since 1964-65, when it stood at -6

9 Liverpool's top scorer in the league is Luis Su?írez, with seven goals in 26 games. Only once in the Premier League era have Liverpool gone through a season without one of their players reaching double figures in league goals, 2004-05 when Milan Baros scored nine times

10 2004-05 was also the only Premier League season in which Liverpool finished below Everton in the table. But Everton, in seventh, currently sit one place and one point above Liverpool

 

[SUIYHA]

1 If the Premier League had started on New Year's Day, Liverpool, with eight points from 12 games, would be 19th in the table, with only Wolverhampton Wanderers below
Top six
1 Man Utd 28pts
2 Emirates Marketing Project 26pts
3 Saudi Sportswashing Machine 23pts
4 Sunderland 23pts
5 Arsenal 22pts
6 Everton 22pts
Bottom six
15 Wigan 13pts
16 Stoke 12pts
17 QPR 11pts
18 Aston Villa 10pts
19 Liverpool 8pts
20 Wolves 5pts

2 Liverpool are 16 points off fourth place and entry into next season's Champions League qualifiers, their stated aim at the start of this campaign. They are closer to the relegation zone, being only 14 points ahead of 18th-placed Queens Park Rangers
4 Tottenham 58pts
8 Liverpool 42pts
18 QPR 28pts

3 Liverpool have lost six of their last seven league games. The last time they endured such a poor run of form was in 1953-54, when they were relegated

4 1953-54 was also the last time Liverpool had such a poor points per game ratio in the top flight (correcting the discrepancy of the old two-points-for-a-win system). Liverpool's current points per game ratio is a lowly 1.35, 42 points in 31 games

5 Liverpool's goals per game ratio is 1.16, 36 goals in 31 games, making this Liverpool team the least frequent scorers since the 1991-92 season under Graeme Souness

6 Liverpool have never had a season in which both their points and goal per game ratios were so low. The closest is 1923-24, when they recorded 41 points in 42 games (0.98) and 49 goals (1.17)

7 Liverpool's home form has been particularly poor, winning only five of their 15 games at Anfield, or 33%. Again we need to go back to 1953-54 for the last time when they won so few, seven of 21 in the relegation season

8 Liverpool's goal difference is +3. Liverpool have not had such a low goal difference at the end of a season since 1964-65, when it stood at -6

9 Liverpool's top scorer in the league is Luis Su?írez, with seven goals in 26 games. Only once in the Premier League era have Liverpool gone through a season without one of their players reaching double figures in league goals, 2004-05 when Milan Baros scored nine times

10 2004-05 was also the only Premier League season in which Liverpool finished below Everton in the table. But Everton, in seventh, currently sit one place and one point above Liverpool

But Kenny is King. Don't you dare disrespect him.

 

[WookieD]

You remember wrong. For starters, it wasn't until a year after Arnesen left that we signed Berbatov. Even if he had identified him to the club, when Arnesen left we hadn't finished in the top 6 for 14 years, hell we hadn't even finished in the top 8 for practically a decade. There's no way Berbatov would have even looked at us in 2005.

Also, there's this:



http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/t/tottenham_hotspur/4989122.stm



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...ck-in-contentment-at-his-Tottenham-years.html

Sorry mate, but you're wrong. You may not want to attribute Arnesen, whatever. But Levy was looking at and had targetted Berbatov a long time before Comolli got to the club, so that definitely means he isn't a Comolli signing.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

Sorry mate, but you're wrong. You may not want to attribute Arnesen, whatever. But Levy was looking at and had targetted Berbatov a long time before Comolli got to the club, so that definitely means he isn't a Comolli signing.

yep he was not a comolli signing